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Posted: 3/30/2012 9:47 PM
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Name a building on campus after Dr. Richard Vedder (if you had him for any econ courses, you know why...the dude is awesome)


Hilarious - paid for with lottery $. An eternal "jokes on you"...........


Hahahaha.

Also, the Nevin Shapiro thing was pretty funny...
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Posted: 3/30/2012 10:38 PM
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$ 101M. More than T Boone Pickens' gift to Oklahoma State.

With a few conditions...

-bring back men's swimming and track...
-McDavis must go on record and say verbatim "Title IX is a horrible piece of legislation that only serves to reduce the opportunities for male athletes. I further regret the decisions to cancel the men's track and swimming programs and seek to make it right by building an indoor track facility and renovated swimming pool..."
-McDavis and Schaus must start and lead an organization of other college presidents and AD's against Title IX and lobby for it's eventual repeal.
-Build a new Ohio University Golf Course on the same level as Ohio State's Scarlet Course
-Sign an agreement with either Nike, Under Armour, or Adidas for apparel and gamewear (it's important for recruiting)
-remove the first row seating in front of the ozone
-get the band out of the ozone and back behind one of the baskets
-Name a building on campus after Dr. Richard Vedder (if you had him for any econ courses, you know why...the dude is awesome)
-new scoreboard in convo
-all new video equipment to broadcast bobcat basketball games online in HD
-$10M fund for any university project I deem worthy with a board of students, professors, and administrators (could be research, scholarships, or sending the band wherever they want to go, etc)

I think that is good for now. Will update this as I think of more.


Bang-up list. I especially like the requirement to build/name a building after Dr. Vedder. I almost included "an Endowed Vedder Chair" on my list but figured it was too small $$ wise to warrent line-item mention. I know he's not popular with a lot of folks on this board, but Dr. Vedder was by far my favorite professor (and I was a Biology student)


He was my academic advisor and I owe a lot to the guy. He has positively affected the lives of 1000s of students at OU over the last 50 years. He definitely deserves at least an Endowed Chair.


Yeh, you and he should set up chairs on the NC coast the next time a hurricane comes to town.  Your second and third points might be the most clueless part of a post I've ever seen.  Of course, if you're a disciple of Rich's that pretty much explains it.
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Posted: 3/30/2012 11:25 PM
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Turn your account over to Monroe.  In Slavin We Trust. 


Who really wants a CPA from Cali anyway?  I'm local and therefore deem myself board CPA...and as your CPA, I advise you all to never play the lottery ever.


Wouldn't it be nice if all the money everyone wasted on these lottery tickets instead was donated to Ohio University?
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Posted: 3/30/2012 11:50 PM
Rich Vedder is a good guy.  He just shouldn't dabble in survey research, a field where he's a rank amateur.  He's a very good economist and, I suspect, a very good professor, though I have no personal experience to vouch for the latter.  There is a reasonable argument that at this point Title IX has become counterproductive.  There are also good counterarguments and it's a worthwhile debate.  I don't know anyone who doesn't think that the increase in women's sports in the last several decades isn't a good thing.  From a historical standpoint, I think it's interesting that there were women's collegiate and high school sports in the late 19th Century and early 20th Century (up to the 1930s or so) and then they all were abolished and female sports were practically non-existence until the revival in the 1960s.  Now, i don't want to paint a picture that in that earlier era there were as many femaie as male collegiate and high school sports; there weren't.  But, the point is that there were some.  When I started in college in the early 1960s there were none. I think it would make a good dissertation topic in a Ph.D. program in sports sciences (or whatever they call it now) to look at the sociological and philosophical factors that led to the abolishment of the fledgling foray into women's sports that occurred in that earlier period.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 12:02 AM
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Rich Vedder is a good guy. He just shouldn't dabble in survey research, a field where he's a rank amateur. He's a very good economist and, I suspect, a very good professor, though I have no personal experience to vouch for the latter. There is a reasonable argument that at this point Title IX has become counterproductive. There are also good counterarguments and it's a worthwhile debate. I don't know anyone who doesn't think that the increase in women's sports in the last several decades isn't a good thing. From a historical standpoint, I think it's interesting that there were women's collegiate and high school sports in the late 19th Century and early 20th Century (up to the 1930s or so) and then they all were abolished and female sports were practically non-existence until the revival in the 1960s. Now, i don't want to paint a picture that in that earlier era there were as many femaie as male collegiate and high school sports; there weren't. But, the point is that there were some. When I started in college in the early 1960s there were none. I think it would make a good dissertation topic in a Ph.D. program in sports sciences (or whatever they call it now) to look at the sociological and philosophical factors that led to the abolishment of the fledgling foray into women's sports that occurred in that earlier period.
http://www.thesportjournal.org/article/history-women-spor...
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Posted: 3/31/2012 12:12 AM
Thanks for posting the link, RSBobcat.  I should add that Ohio had some intercollegiate women's sports teams as early as the 1890s.  You can see some photos in old yearbooks and articles in the OU MIrror (early precursor of The Post and The Green and White). 
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Posted: 3/31/2012 9:29 AM
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Turn your account over to Monroe.  In Slavin We Trust. 


Who really wants a CPA from Cali anyway?  I'm local and therefore deem myself board CPA...and as your CPA, I advise you all to never play the lottery ever.


Wouldn't it be nice if all the money everyone wasted on these lottery tickets instead was donated to Ohio University?


Or used to better feed and support their own families.  I think I once heard 9% of the poverty population's income goes to Lottery tickets.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 12:39 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
Turn your account over to Monroe.  In Slavin We Trust. 


Who really wants a CPA from Cali anyway?  I'm local and therefore deem myself board CPA...and as your CPA, I advise you all to never play the lottery ever.


Wouldn't it be nice if all the money everyone wasted on these lottery tickets instead was donated to Ohio University?


Or used to better feed and support their own families.  I think I once heard 9% of the poverty population's income goes to Lottery tickets.


I'm skeptical of that number.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 1:05 PM
Lotteries are a "tax on ignorance."  Some of the ads for the Ohio Lottery, for instance, are just unconscionable, implying in various ways that you have a good chance of winning.  I'd certainly vote to a repeal the Ohio Lottery law if it was ever back on the ballot.  When the bill to authorize it was up for a statewide vote in the 1970s, I left my ballot blank because I couldn't decide if it was more likely just to make illegal gambling legal (a good thing) or if it would develop a whole new class of gamblers (a bad thing).  What I had failed to realize was the extent to which advertising would be used to entice the ignorant and under-educated to gamble.  If I had, I would have voted no at that time.  
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Posted: 3/31/2012 1:11 PM
Bigger sucker's bet: Ohio Lottery or NBA Lottery?
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Posted: 3/31/2012 1:31 PM
If I'm choosing something to tax, ignorance is high on my list.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 1:37 PM
I can think of many causes more worthy than Ohio athletics.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 1:44 PM
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Turn your account over to Monroe.  In Slavin We Trust. 


Who really wants a CPA from Cali anyway?  I'm local and therefore deem myself board CPA...and as your CPA, I advise you all to never play the lottery ever.


Wouldn't it be nice if all the money everyone wasted on these lottery tickets instead was donated to Ohio University?


Or used to better feed and support their own families.  I think I once heard 9% of the poverty population's income goes to Lottery tickets.


I'm skeptical of that number.
Me too, but I'm not sure the number matters.  Still broke my heart to watch folks spend $50+ on lottery on a regular basis, their child(ren) in holey, tattered clothes.
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Posted: 3/31/2012 7:01 PM
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I can think of many causes more worthy than Ohio athletics.


Certainly there are, and I give much more to other things than Ohio athletics. But, I just used that cause as an example because that is what this board is about. It's a cause everyone on this board supports.
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Posted: 4/1/2012 1:58 PM
I would suggest that you go attempt a physical impossibility at first chance, Mr. Swank. Not sure of the reason for your personal attack.
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Posted: 4/1/2012 4:52 PM
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I would suggest that you go attempt a physical impossibility at first chance, Mr. Swank. Not sure of the reason for your personal attack.


Hmm....maybe has something to do with your "personal" attack on half of the student population?

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Posted: 4/1/2012 4:52 PM
Because Al thinks you might be a Republican.  Therefore, fair game for his invective.  I would, however, refrain from using the crude analogy that you employed.  Just take him on on the issues. 
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Posted: 4/1/2012 4:54 PM
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I would suggest that you go attempt a physical impossibility at first chance, Mr. Swank. Not sure of the reason for your personal attack.


Hmm....maybe has something to do with your "personal" attack on half of the student population?


Oh boy .  .  . are we making overarching charges and generalizing here. 
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Posted: 4/1/2012 5:09 PM
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I would suggest that you go attempt a physical impossibility at first chance, Mr. Swank. Not sure of the reason for your personal attack.


Hmm....maybe has something to do with your "personal" attack on half of the student population?


Oh boy .  .  . are we making overarching charges and generalizing here. 


Don't get your question. The 2nd and 3rd points referred to abolishing Title X - in a certainly sexist manner (in that it proposes the abolishment of it for the specific benefit of male athletic programs) . No overarching or generalizing whatsoever. I believe Swank does have a female athlete in the family, though I agree the hurricane proposition is a bit extreme (unless there is an analogy in there I'm missing). I challenge anyone to find any credible analysis that shows that the flourishing of women's athletics has been due to anything other than Title X. Now if you feel that equal opportunities for both sexes opportunities (academic or athletic) in public funded institutions is somehow a "bad thing" - well that sounds like a different thread topic.
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Posted: 4/1/2012 5:16 PM
I stay way clear of commenting on most of these back and forths in almost every case but just for point of correctness we are speaking of Title 9 ....

Title X
probably drags us down a different road tha has no place in the basketball thread.
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Posted: 4/1/2012 5:19 PM
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I stay way clear of commenting on most of these back and forths in almost every case but just for point of correctness we are speaking of Title 9 ....

Title X
probably drags us down a different road tha has no place in the basketball thread.


Oops - my bad - you are correct sir!
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Posted: 4/1/2012 5:29 PM
I don't know anyone who thinks the increase in female athletic programs over the last half century is anything but a very positive development.  The question now is whether Title IX as it is currently implemented has become counterproductive and instead of increasing opportunities for women has begun to decrease opportunities for men.  I don't have a dog in this fight.  I wasn't the one who brought up the issue.  I'm just trying to frame it fairly so that those who are interested can discuss the issue without throwing flames at each other.  
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Posted: 4/1/2012 7:47 PM
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I would suggest that you go attempt a physical impossibility at first chance, Mr. Swank. Not sure of the reason for your personal attack.


Hmm....maybe has something to do with your "personal" attack on half of the student population?


Oh boy .  .  . are we making overarching charges and generalizing here. 


Don't get your question. The 2nd and 3rd points referred to abolishing Title X - in a certainly sexist manner (in that it proposes the abolishment of it for the specific benefit of male athletic programs) . No overarching or generalizing whatsoever. I believe Swank does have a female athlete in the family, though I agree the hurricane proposition is a bit extreme (unless there is an analogy in there I'm missing). I challenge anyone to find any credible analysis that shows that the flourishing of women's athletics has been due to anything other than Title X. Now if you feel that equal opportunities for both sexes opportunities (academic or athletic) in public funded institutions is somehow a "bad thing" - well that sounds like a different thread topic.


Personal attack on half the student population!? I shouldn't be surprised as "generalizing" and "overarching" are perfect terms to describe this feminist drivel.

Title IX is an absolute travesty and calling it such is not an attack on female athletics. You can be for female athletics and against Title IX. Like many pieces of legislation, the results are different than their desired effect. While part of the effect has been positive in the creation of more opportunities for female athletics, universities were hamstrung due to football programs having a huge amount of scholarships and there being no female equivalent. So, while more female sports are created it isn't even close to being enough to make the scholarship equality levels needed for Title IX compliance. Therefore men's programs are cancelled for no other reason than their genitalia.

Frankly, I have no idea how you can make a coherent argument that Title IX has not negatively affected NCAA men's athletics. It is a complete embarrassment to Ohio University that we have an Olympic hopeful (Eric Bildstein, one of the top discus throwers in the country) this year who was a member of the last men's track team. I hope he makes it to draw attention to this important matter.

Here's a great quote: You know, it reminds me of an incident during the Vietnam War when one U.S. officer explained: "We had to destroy the village to save it." That's akin to the action the OU administration would take citing Title IX. "We had to cut three men's teams and a women's team to increase opportunities for women." Can you hear "The Twilight Zone" music?

article link: http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/13595.asp>;

So, yes I do think McDavis and Schaus should be forced to start a group of other Presidents and AD's who are compelled to cancel men's sports to comply with a terrible piece of legislation. And, yes, I would mandate it as part of my gift that McDavis and Schaus bring back men's swimming and track.

As for Mr. Swank, apologies sir for my prior statement. I'm sure we could have a good conversation at the next Bobcat Bash.



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