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MiamiBlowsChunks
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Posted: 4/2/2012 6:13 PM
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Mike Coleman wrote:expand_more
...can anyone think of a coach who left a mid-major conference for a bigger one, failed there, and came back to the mid-majors successfully?


Rick Majerus?

Bobby Cremins? (No NCAA's but a lot of wins at Charleston)

Ray McCallum?

Steve Alford?


To me, St. Louis U. and UNM are major programs, maybe not exactly in-line with the big boys but a step up from the MAC (in terms of resources, fan support, arena size etc). 

A mid-major is more like Detroit, COC and Creighton. Both McCallum and McDermott have really benefited from having sons who are big time players.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 7:59 PM
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JSF wrote:expand_more
...can anyone think of a coach who left a mid-major conference for a bigger one, failed there, and came back to the mid-majors successfully?


Ralph Willard.. Western Kentucky - Pitt - Holy Cross
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Posted: 4/3/2012 11:07 AM
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Brian Smith wrote:expand_more
How about coaches that left a successful midmajor program for a struggling bigger conference team, failed and then returned to a midmajor and failed again?


Louis Orr


This is worst-case scenario of the Christian hiring, in my opinion. If what Ohio hires turns out to be a Louis Orr -- a guy who wins just enough that you can't fire him but not enough to make the program exciting.

I want 25 wins a season or a complete flameout by Christian. If he wins 18-20 wins per season, you're stuck in no-man's land.

Hopefully the $600k salary forces Schaus to demand more than just "pretty good" out of Christian.



AND JUST WHO would you bring in that guarantees more than pretty good?
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Posted: 4/3/2012 9:46 PM
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Frank Solich?  Ok...was major to mid only...not mid-major-mid...but was a step down from previous coaching position.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 2:29 AM
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The difference is a poor year at Ohio is 16-14  8-8 in  the MAC.  An average year at Ohio is 18-12 9-7 in MAC and a good year at Ohio is 20-10 11-5 or better. A great year at Ohio is a good regular season with a MAC tournament title and trip to NCAA tournament with the expectation of playing well in the tournament. At a minimum a top four seed in MAC tournament is expected. No excuse to finish 5-9 every year and miss out on bye's. Groce was 9-2 in the MAC tournament and 3-2 in the NCAA tournament. 12-4 regular when it counted the most.      

 
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