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Mark Lembright '85
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Posted: 4/4/2012 10:03 AM
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As for myself, I could care less whether Ohio is voted in someone's final Top 25 rankings or not. All people will talk about and remember from this season is that Ohio was part of the Sweet Sixteen; only the most serious diehard college hoops fan remembers or cares to remember exactly who was in a final Top 25 season ranking.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 10:06 AM
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Looking at our OOC Opponents:

Teams We Beat (Avg. RPI 172)
 15  Michigan
 39  South Florida
 53  Marshall
 72  Northern Iowa
101  North Carolina Asheville
113  Lamar
135  Oakland
224  Arkansas State
226  Wright State
238  Portland
282  North Carolina A&T
286  Morgan State
326  Tennessee Martin
329  Kennesaw State

Team Who Beat Us (Avg. RPI 37)
  4  North Carolina
 10  Louisville
 97  Robert Morris

Other Teams Of Note
 22  Temple
 94  Illinois
293  Gardner Webb
340  Bryant University
Last Edited: 4/4/2012 10:07:44 AM by Eagle66
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Posted: 4/4/2012 10:14 AM
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Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
As for myself, I could care less whether Ohio is voted in someone's final Top 25 rankings or not. All people will talk about and remember from this season is that Ohio was part of the Sweet Sixteen; only the most serious diehard college hoops fan remembers or cares to remember exactly who was in a final Top 25 season ranking.


agree with this.....10 years from now we will be in the JAR looking at a MAC season banner saying "wow...wasn't that the same year we went to the sweet 16"

Nice to be here but......you are only as good as your NEXT game. Time to do work.
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Eagle66 wrote:expand_more
Looking at our OOC Opponents:

Teams We Beat (Avg. RPI 172)
 15  Michigan
 39  South Florida
 53  Marshall
 72  Northern Iowa
101  North Carolina Asheville
113  Lamar
135  Oakland
224  Arkansas State
226  Wright State
238  Portland
282  North Carolina A&T
286  Morgan State
326  Tennessee Martin
329  Kennesaw State

Team Who Beat Us (Avg. RPI 37)
  4  North Carolina
 10  Louisville
 97  Robert Morris

Other Teams Of Note
 22  Temple
 94  Illinois
293  Gardner Webb
340  Bryant University


So it looks like we had 9 top 100 wins this year. 

Mich, USF, NIU, TURD, Beefs x3, Zips x2

Is that the most in program history?
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Andy used to be all for mid-majors and somewhat of a MAC fan, years back, but something has changed with him over the last few years. I dunno if it's because he doesn't follow them as much anymore or what but he seems like he leans more towards the bigger schools now.

Probably because every time he hyped us up, the O'Shea led Bobcats threw up on themselves and made Katz look bad . . .
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Posted: 4/4/2012 12:52 PM
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Andy used to be all for mid-majors and somewhat of a MAC fan, years back, but something has changed with him over the last few years. I dunno if it's because he doesn't follow them as much anymore or what but he seems like he leans more towards the bigger schools now.

Probably because every time he hyped us up, the O'Shea led Bobcats threw up on themselves and made Katz look bad . . .


Similar to this past season: every time we got votes in a poll, the bottom fell out.  Same thing happened to the football team.  We need to restrict players' access to poll results.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 4:50 PM
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Beating an old drum.  If the conference were split:

MAC East final RPI: .529983 - 8th, between A10 and Missouri Valley.

MAC West final RPI: .436383 - 29th, between the Southland and America East.
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Beating an old drum.  If the conference were split:

MAC East final RPI: .529983 - 8th, between A10 and Missouri Valley.

MAC West final RPI: .436383 - 29th, between the Southland and America East.


Yeah, it's probably about time to do away with the divisions. It's a pretty archaic format with the dawn of conference tournaments. 

I just did a quick scan of the NCAA basketball conference standings and the only leagues to still split teams in to divisions are:

MAC
Southern 
Southland
Sunbelt

So 4 out of the 33 D-I conferences.

Is the rational competition related (i.e. some teams will potentially play an "easier" round robin schedule)? Or is it merely hanging on to tradition? Travel considerations? 
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[QUOTE=anorris]Is the rational competition related (i.e. some teams will potentially play an "easier" round robin schedule)? Or is it merely hanging on to tradition? Travel considerations? 


Some of all of those.

But it is also positive for Ohio's RPI to play the East twice and the West once. The bad thing is that most people outside the league look at the MAC as a whole, so they don't see Ohio as a member of the challenging MAC East. They see Ohio as part of the mediocre MAC.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 6:06 PM
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I would say that now it's mostly a travel issue. 
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Posted: 4/4/2012 9:08 PM
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25?  What garbage.  UMich ahead of us though we beat them?  When it counted, we played.

25 is an insult.  I hope that OUr lads take this as incentive for next year.


Oh, of course, they can't be any good.  They're MAC, mid-major.
Too bad we can't be judged on what actually happens on the floor.


I don't think No. 25 is an insult. I was just happy to see OHIO in there. The team didn't even win the MAC regular season title, lets not get greedy. Michigan was co-champions of the Big Ten. OHIO had a nice little run in the tourney, but beat only one ranked team.

I know many of people on here may agree with Monroe, but I think calling this an insult is silly.


That's true.  Except it's not.  How can UMich be ranked ahead of them when we beat them...uh, head to head...when it matterec in NCAA?
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you have to look at their entire season. If you do you will see U of M played and beat a lot better competition throughout the season.
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[QUOTE=anorris]Is the rational competition related (i.e. some teams will potentially play an "easier" round robin schedule)? Or is it merely hanging on to tradition? Travel considerations? 


Some of all of those.

But it is also positive for Ohio's RPI to play the East twice and the West once. The bad thing is that most people outside the league look at the MAC as a whole, so they don't see Ohio as a member of the challenging MAC East. They see Ohio as part of the mediocre MAC.
Yes, it does help us dramatically, RPI-wise, to play the East twice, but you also have teams in the West ending up with tournament seeds they've had no earthly right to because they've smashed the West.  Also, when you do get a decent team from the west (probably Ball or Western, lately, maybe Toledo soon), it smashes their RPI ceiling pretty hard.

Totally agree regarding the perception.
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Posted: 4/4/2012 11:56 PM
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you have to look at their entire season. If you do you will see U of M played and beat a lot better competition throughout the season.
 

Shouldn't matter.  We beat that Michigan state university in Ann Arbor when it counted, in the tournament ... advanced to the Sweet 16.  Anything lower than a final 16 ranking makes a mockery of the NCAA Tournament itself, which is a whole 'nother issue.  Here I agree with borna, we should have a 128 team field -- one more set of games -- and then it's clear win the first round and you're one of the 64 best, second round your one of the 32 best, etc.  I guess I just believe that results on the court in the tournament are what really count -- everything else is a build up to those shinning moments.  JC said it well in his presser.  Can't remember his exact words but something about how the routine layup or blocked shot is special when it happens in the Big Dance.  Go OHIO.  Final Four next year, baby!
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Posted: 4/5/2012 12:38 AM
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In other Poll News...

The Final Mid-Major Top 25 is out.  We may have ended up at #9 (up from 17 prior to the tourney), but we also got one (1) first place vote!  We finished ahead of all but 2 of these teams in the Coaches Poll.  (Murray St., Creighton)

http://www.collegeinsider.com/mmpoll/

 

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  1. Murray State (27) 31-2 768 1 Ohio Valley  
  2. Creighton (2) 29-6 728 2 Missouri Valley  
  3. VCU 29-7 692 5 Colonial Athletic  
  4. Wichita State 27-6 640 3 Missouri Valley  
  5. Saint Mary's 27-6 639 4 West Coast  
  6. Gonzaga (1) 26-7 636 6 West Coast  
  7. Drexel 29-7 548 7 Colonial Athletic  
  8. Long Beach State 25-9 539 8 Big West  
  9. Ohio (1) 29-8 509 16 Mid-American  
10. Middle Tennessee 27-7 464 10 Sun Belt  
11. Harvard 26-5 450 9 Ivy League  
12. Oral Roberts 27-7 362 11 Summit  
13. BYU 26-9 354 20 West Coast  
14. Iona 25-8 350 12 Metro Atlantic  
15. Belmont 27-8 347 13 Atlantic Sun  
16. Montana 25-7 303 14 Big Sky  
17. Davidson 25-8 298 15 Southern  
18. Lehigh 27-8 237 NR Patriot  
19. South Dakota State 27-8 221 19 Summit  
20. Norfolk State 26-10 198 25 Mid-Eastern Athletic  
21. Weber State 25-7 191 17 Big Sky  
22. UT-Arlington 24-9 99 22 Southland  
23. Mercer 27-11 93 NR Atlantic Sun  
24. Loyola MD 24-9 77 23 Metro Atlantic  
25. LIU-Brooklyn 25-9 46 24 Northeast  
25. Valparaiso 22-12 46 21 Horizon  
 
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES:  George Mason 44, Detroit 30, Akron 26, Vermont 16, Bucknell 15, UNC-Asheville 15, Illinois State 14, Fairfield 10, Oakland 10, Butler 9, Lamar 8, Wagner 8, Cleveland State 7, Stony Brook 5, Robert Morris 4, Denver 3, Buffalo 2, Mississippi Valley State 2, Old Dominion 2, Penn 2, UC Santa Barbara 2, Loyola Marymount 1, Manhattan 1, Northern Iowa 1, Savannah State 1, Tennessee State 1, USC Upstate 1.
Last Edited: 4/5/2012 12:39:22 AM by OUbobcat9092
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Posted: 4/5/2012 1:39 AM
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In other Poll News...

The Final Mid-Major Top 25 is out.  We may have ended up at #9 (up from 17 prior to the tourney), but we also got one (1) first place vote!  We finished ahead of all but 2 of these teams in the Coaches Poll.  (Murray St., Creighton)

http://www.collegeinsider.com/mmpoll/

 

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Previous

    
  1. Murray State (27) 31-2 768 1 Ohio Valley  
  2. Creighton (2) 29-6 728 2 Missouri Valley  
  3. VCU 29-7 692 5 Colonial Athletic  
  4. Wichita State 27-6 640 3 Missouri Valley  
  5. Saint Mary's 27-6 639 4 West Coast  
  6. Gonzaga (1) 26-7 636 6 West Coast  
  7. Drexel 29-7 548 7 Colonial Athletic  
  8. Long Beach State 25-9 539 8 Big West  
  9. Ohio (1) 29-8 509 16 Mid-American  
10. Middle Tennessee 27-7 464 10 Sun Belt  
11. Harvard 26-5 450 9 Ivy League  
12. Oral Roberts 27-7 362 11 Summit  
13. BYU 26-9 354 20 West Coast  
14. Iona 25-8 350 12 Metro Atlantic  
15. Belmont 27-8 347 13 Atlantic Sun  
16. Montana 25-7 303 14 Big Sky  
17. Davidson 25-8 298 15 Southern  
18. Lehigh 27-8 237 NR Patriot  
19. South Dakota State 27-8 221 19 Summit  
20. Norfolk State 26-10 198 25 Mid-Eastern Athletic  
21. Weber State 25-7 191 17 Big Sky  
22. UT-Arlington 24-9 99 22 Southland  
23. Mercer 27-11 93 NR Atlantic Sun  
24. Loyola MD 24-9 77 23 Metro Atlantic  
25. LIU-Brooklyn 25-9 46 24 Northeast  
25. Valparaiso 22-12 46 21 Horizon  
 
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES:  George Mason 44, Detroit 30, Akron 26, Vermont 16, Bucknell 15, UNC-Asheville 15, Illinois State 14, Fairfield 10, Oakland 10, Butler 9, Lamar 8, Wagner 8, Cleveland State 7, Stony Brook 5, Robert Morris 4, Denver 3, Buffalo 2, Mississippi Valley State 2, Old Dominion 2, Penn 2, UC Santa Barbara 2, Loyola Marymount 1, Manhattan 1, Northern Iowa 1, Savannah State 1, Tennessee State 1, USC Upstate 1.


What a joke. I forgot about VCU and Murray States Sweet 16 runs this year
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you have to look at their entire season. If you do you will see U of M played and beat a lot better competition throughout the season.
 

Shouldn't matter.  We beat that Michigan state university in Ann Arbor when it counted, in the tournament ... advanced to the Sweet 16.  Anything lower than a final 16 ranking makes a mockery of the NCAA Tournament itself, which is a whole 'nother issue.


So if, say, Northern Illinois won the MAC tournament, improbably avoided the First Four, then won their first game, they must be in the top 32? The rest of the season is completely irrelevant?
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Y  E  S


Kinda like the team that wins the NCAA should be ranked #1, regardless of the rest of their season.

Thank you for understanding, for stating the issue simply.
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Y E S


Kinda like the team that wins the NCAA should be ranked #1, regardless of the rest of their season.

Thank you for understanding, for stating the issue simply.
That's....not very intelligent.
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Maybe the East should leave the MAC and start their own conference.  Are divisions primarilly for football so we can get a Championship game.  Agree, unnecessary for b-ball.
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25?  What garbage.  UMich ahead of us though we beat them?  When it counted, we played.

25 is an insult.  I hope that OUr lads take this as incentive for next year.


Oh, of course, they can't be any good.  They're MAC, mid-major.
Too bad we can't be judged on what actually happens on the floor.


I don't think No. 25 is an insult. I was just happy to see OHIO in there. The team didn't even win the MAC regular season title, lets not get greedy. Michigan was co-champions of the Big Ten. OHIO had a nice little run in the tourney, but beat only one ranked team.

I know many of people on here may agree with Monroe, but I think calling this an insult is silly.


That's true.  Except it's not.  How can UMich be ranked ahead of them when we beat them...uh, head to head...when it matterec in NCAA?


We will have to just disagree on this on. I know there is a lot of pride involved, but this isn't football. The Top 25 does not have the same focus on one game.

There might many of us prideful Bobcat fans that side with you.

But, take a second look at the poll. Duke is No. 14, well they lost in the first round of 64 - according to our fans they should not be in the Top 25. Murray State, screw its nearly perfect season, because it lost in the second round they shouldn't be ranked - let alone No. 16. Xavier, No. 24, also was in the Sweet 16 and beat Lehigh which beat Duke "when it counted" so wtf??? Missouri No. 11, didn't they lose to Norfolk State in round one - wait, Norfolk State and Lehigh are not rated better than Missouri or Duke - they didn't get a single vote??? - This is crap!
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I often have this conversation with a co-worker who laments the fact that a champion from a small conference will go to the dance while a middling team from a money conference who is arguably the better team gets snubbed.  I always tell him "The tournament is not to determine the best 64 teams, it's to find the best team" .  Just because a team is in the tournament doesn't mean they are a top 64 team.  It means that they have the right to make a claim to the championship. 
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Kinda like the team that wins the NCAA should be ranked #1, regardless of the rest of their season.

Thank you for understanding, for stating the issue simply.


Perfectly, stated, my friend.  That's what the NCAA Tournament is all about.  If Kansas had beaten UK, they'd be #1 in everyone's poll, regardless of their "body of work" throughout the whole season as compared to that of UK.  Jayhawkers would be wearing "We're #1 grear" and nobody would be complaining that they didn't deserve it because UK had more wins and was a higher seed.   It's what you do in the Big Dance that counts!!  That's what it means to have a tournament.  Otherwise, let's just crown a national champ based on poll results at the end of the regular season.  I just see no legitimate argument on the other side of this issue.  
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Kinda like the team that wins the NCAA should be ranked #1, regardless of the rest of their season.

Thank you for understanding, for stating the issue simply.


Perfectly, stated, my friend.  That's what the NCAA Tournament is all about.  If Kansas had beaten UK, they'd be #1 in everyone's poll, regardless of their "body of work" throughout the whole season as compared to that of UK.  Jayhawkers would be wearing "We're #1 grear" and nobody would be complaining that they didn't deserve it because UK had more wins and was a higher seed.   It's what you do in the Big Dance that counts!!  That's what it means to have a tournament.  Otherwise, let's just crown a national champ based on poll results at the end of the regular season.  I just see no legitimate argument on the other side of this issue.  


I agree that whoever wins on Monday night is #1, but that's as far as it goes.  Suppose Kentucky had beaten Kansas by 40 in the finals, but needed triple overtime to get by Louisville in the final 4.  Could Kansas make an obvious claim to #2?
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