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Posted: 5/3/2012 1:09 AM
Ozcat has put up posts here which put us in the 'nice little brother' category.

And, I'll be frank:  He put up some uncalled for, personal attack crap about me.  No respect for that.  I like a good argument as much as anyone, enjoy the good, smart give and take.  But those few here who put up the '2000 posts and not a single good one'--well, no respect at all for that.


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Posted: 5/3/2012 9:52 AM
We could have easily been in the no-name tourney and not had a chance to do  what we did. That's what is a great advantage to being in the power conferences. The Big Ten sends almost half of their schools to the dance and they get their shot. We get a very slim chance once every five years. That's why Butler bolted. That won't change much next year.
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Posted: 5/3/2012 11:02 AM
Big reason Groce left - me think
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Posted: 5/3/2012 12:36 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
And, I'll be frank:  He put up some uncalled for, personal attack crap about me.  




The Pot wrote:expand_more
Hey kettle, you're black!

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Posted: 5/3/2012 1:49 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Ozcat has put up posts here which put us in the 'nice little brother' category.

And, I'll be frank:  He put up some uncalled for, personal attack crap about me.  No respect for that.  I like a good argument as much as anyone, enjoy the good, smart give and take.  But those few here who put up the '2000 posts and not a single good one'--well, no respect at all for that.




I'll go out on a limb here and assume that this is directed at me (among others). Not sure how I'm going to sleep tonight.

While we're at it, let's make it "over 2.25K posts and not a single good one."
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Posted: 5/3/2012 4:30 PM
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I'm sorry, I know we're way off topic, but this made me laugh. A *hell of a lot closer*? We lost to UNC in OT. We played a very close, hard fought game against Akron in the MAC Championship Game and won by 1 point. That sounds pretty even to me.   


If Walt Offutt hits a free throw with 7 seconds to go, something he does well more than half the time we are an elite eight team.  The events that would have led us to losing to Akron were considerably less likely than that.


An open 15 footer by arguably their best shooter is considerably less likely?
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Posted: 5/3/2012 5:02 PM
HeHateMiami wrote:expand_more
Hey kettle, you're black!

This pretty much made my afternoon.
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Posted: 5/4/2012 12:55 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
Ozcat has put up posts here which put us in the 'nice little brother' category.

And, I'll be frank:  He put up some uncalled for, personal attack crap about me.  No respect for that.  I like a good argument as much as anyone, enjoy the good, smart give and take.  But those few here who put up the '2000 posts and not a single good one'--well, no respect at all for that.




I'll go out on a limb here and assume that this is directed at me (among others). Not sure how I'm going to sleep tonight.

While we're at it, let's make it "over 2.25K posts and not a single good one."



now you can tell your friend that you're an internet star.
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Posted: 5/4/2012 9:21 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
I'm sorry, I know we're way off topic, but this made me laugh. A *hell of a lot closer*? We lost to UNC in OT. We played a very close, hard fought game against Akron in the MAC Championship Game and won by 1 point. That sounds pretty even to me.   



If Walt Offutt hits a free throw with 7 seconds to go, something he does well more than half the time we are an elite eight team.  The events that would have led us to losing to Akron were considerably less likely than that.


This isn't necessarily true. North Carolina had a different play drawn up in the event that the free throw was made, but since it was not, they tried to use up the whole clock before taking a shot. I'm sure it would have been a different time strategy if Offutt had made and who knows for sure how that would have turned out.
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Posted: 5/4/2012 12:21 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
I'm sorry, I know we're way off topic, but this made me laugh. A *hell of a lot closer*? We lost to UNC in OT. We played a very close, hard fought game against Akron in the MAC Championship Game and won by 1 point. That sounds pretty even to me.   



If Walt Offutt hits a free throw with 7 seconds to go, something he does well more than half the time we are an elite eight team.  The events that would have led us to losing to Akron were considerably less likely than that.


This isn't necessarily true. North Carolina had a different play drawn up in the event that the free throw was made, but since it was not, they tried to use up the whole clock before taking a shot. I'm sure it would have been a different time strategy if Offutt had made and who knows for sure how that would have turned out.


7 seconds to go?  How about 26 seconds.  Had the shot gone in, NC would have had to MAKE a shot which is totally different than hoping to make a shot.  Regardless, it was one of those games you'll never forget.
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Posted: 5/5/2012 10:40 PM
Jacobs didn't play much in two years. Atleast he got a free education and could tell his kids he was on a sweetsixteen team.   
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Posted: 5/6/2012 8:24 AM
Yeah

theres that ........and the fact that he showed up ready to go EVERY day, worked hard, put extra time in the gym trying to better himself, maintained the high GPA and was a great team mate. Wish him well and leave it at that.
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Posted: 5/8/2012 6:23 PM

"I have not talked to him as I have not stopped since coming home from the UK but I can pretty much guarantee Ethan was told it was time to go. Be willing to bet that he did nt even get the respect Larry Brown gave those players with an offer to help find a spot."

"Not a rumour, unlike Big Canada who was able to finish his degree in the capacity as a manager under the Groce transition Ethan is being shown the door. No choices."

Bornacatfan, just wondering do you still stand by these two statements?  How can you be so sure that Christian just kicked Ethan to the curb, and that maybe it wasn't a mutual parting of the ways.  I don't know where Ethan is transferring to, but isn't it possible that he wanted to get out just as much to get more opportunity for playing time?  I had the feeling that Ethan might be looking to transfer even if Groce had stayed.  Unless you have some sort of further insight, it seems pretty assumptive to say that Christian gave him no choices and no help finding a new school.

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Posted: 5/9/2012 12:12 AM
Ye

I will own it after being home for a couple of weeks and stopping by Athens on the way to Holt MC for a part. Ethan had every intention of graduating from Ohio with a psychoogy degree. He is pursuing a few other D 1 opportunities. Transfers have 5 official visits available to them. He will use them to find a place with a big manz coach who will give him the attention he needs. The extra year will be useful.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 8:34 AM


This is the very, very ugly side of college sports and Ohio University is not immune to it.  Bums me out a bit.



 

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Posted: 5/9/2012 10:55 AM
The trouble is in discussions like this on a message board, you generally don't get direct reports from all the parties involved.  Hard to completely evaluate a situation without all the facts and perspectives. 
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Posted: 5/9/2012 12:22 PM
If ANYONE believes that there is No Honor Amongst Thieves that exists in the world of BigBoy Collegiate Athletics than you are just simply extremely naive or stupid. When you have colleges themselves poaching other colleges away from long-established conferences, coaching "contracts" and especially the contract "extensions" meant to lock-up the prized coach to his current institution NOT being worth the paper they were written on, what do you expect.

All this is being either supported, initiated and or directed by many of those "esteemed" Presidents with Board of Trustee approval. of said exalted Institutions of Higher Learning and all being in the "best interest" of the "student"/athlete. What a crock of BS!

As evidenced by the complete upheaval of the recent conference "realignments",  a fully under contract Pitt Head Football Coach Todd Graham leaving for Az.State under the darkness of night and informing his players AND AD by text message SEE YA, only points out the sleaze that exists in what has become Big Business in D1 collegiate athletics.

That an Ethan Jacobs may have been somewhat "unceremoniously" shown the door ranks way, way, way, way down the "lack of ethics/morals chain" that is BigBoy collegiate athletics. Not saying that it's right or there isn't a stench attacked to it. Just saying it's not the least bit surprising and it's really "small potatoes" in the overall scheme of what goes on the "real" world of BigTime College Athletics.

To think that our beloved OHIO is above reproach in such matters is folly. Christian wasn't hired to build the Glee Club.

Collegiate athletics is very similar to politics. It ain't for the feint of heart and it ain't bean-bag.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 1:01 PM

If Jacobs was all that some on here say, then he shouldn't have much trouble finding a home someplace.  If he was as good as some on here said when he came to Ohio, he should not have finding a home someplace.  Blaming his lack of playing time on the lack of a big man coach seems far fetched to me.  Anyway, I wish him well in his future endeavors as we should.

While I am glad that John Groce did so well at our school, I am less than happy with his revolving door history that he had with his own recruits, not even counting TOS's guys. But we're so quick to jump on JC. I'll leave it at that.

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Posted: 5/9/2012 1:25 PM
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If ANYONE believes that there is No Honor Amongst Thieves that exists in the world of BigBoy Collegiate Athletics than you are just simply extremely naive or stupid. When you have colleges themselves poaching other colleges away from long-established conferences, coaching "contracts" and especially the contract "extensions" meant to lock-up the prized coach to his current institution NOT being worth the paper they were written on, what do you expect.

All this is being either supported, initiated and or directed by many of those "esteemed" Presidents with Board of Trustee approval. of said exalted Institutions of Higher Learning and all being in the "best interest" of the "student"/athlete. What a crock of BS!

As evidenced by the complete upheaval of the recent conference "realignments",  a fully under contract Pitt Head Football Coach Todd Graham leaving for Az.State under the darkness of night and informing his players AND AD by text message SEE YA, only points out the sleaze that exists in what has become Big Business in D1 collegiate athletics.

That an Ethan Jacobs may have been somewhat "unceremoniously" shown the door ranks way, way, way, way down the "lack of ethics/morals chain" that is BigBoy collegiate athletics. Not saying that it's right or there isn't a stench attacked to it. Just saying it's not the least bit surprising and it's really "small potatoes" in the overall scheme of what goes on the "real" world of BigTime College Athletics.

To think that our beloved OHIO is above reproach in such matters is folly. Christian wasn't hired to build the Glee Club.

Collegiate athletics is very similar to politics. It ain't for the feint of heart and it ain't bean-bag.


A fair and accurate post indeed. True on many levels and stlll does not even probe the depth of what intercollegiate activiites have become.

Could discuss ths all day and in no way was I implying whether it was right or wrong. It just is and the facts available should see that light of day.

The only wrong I see is a system wide problem with the inequity of a kid signing a letter of intent and coming here to play ball for four years intending to finish a degree at the institution he started as a scholar. While many fans decry the system and  the kids who are just here to play ball not really caring about grades there is no acclaim for the athlete who is here with the intent of pursuing his education in return for being a part of the system. While fans around the country chastise and critique a system that includes the one and done farce that puts talent and hoops above the scholar athlete model  it deserts the borderline talented athlete who keeps his grades exemplary and is in the middle of a coaching change which  leaves him with  no recourse but to find a new place to finish up.. He has  to leave his teh university he committed to and has come to love as much as everyone here who has the word OHIO on their degree to find a place and finish with a different name on his diploma.

NO one is asking for sympathy as that is the system we have and the current state of the game. It is of interest to some here to have the wider view and all the facts that are available and accurate. Ethan was a Bobcat by choice. IMHO he will always be one of ours even though he is *not by choice* being forced to find another place that will not be OHIO

Thankfully thses coaching changes do not happen that often but the point being made on several boards I participate on is the same. Coaches pretty much move and have authority over a program to renew athlets or not while the athlete has seemingly, no recourse of even control of their destiny....youcan be an exemplary student or a great athlete and if you are not the incoming coach's recruit you may not be eating at the table. In fact, just the opposite , if you are in the change and have less than a 2.6 you may be retained in order not to hurt the APR.

Good post and thought provoking. Ohio going to the next level means that you sometimes have to make hard decisions that have not been neccessary inthe past at this institution. As always, there are crossroads and different paths to take. We all know the difference between programs and those we would consider exemplary and those that are a bit slimy. The questions fans do and should have is which way things are going and how do we philosophically  support those changes.  As you state so eloquently the problem is system wide and I believe moreso in hoops than most sports. What we need to keep in mind is the individuals involved, their personal stories and how it affects families who may not have the means to get their kids an education or have done the research and chose a University over others because of a certain program.... and not just....."it's big boy ball suckit up because it aint gonna change"....when we do that it cheapens us just a bit given that there are places where they set the standard by doing it differently and with great interest into the welfare of their scholar athletes than others.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 1:49 PM
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The only wrong I see is a system wide problem with the inequity of a kid signing a letter of intent and coming here to play ball for four years intending to finish a degree at the institution he started as a scholar. While many fans decry the system and  the kids who are just here to play ball not really caring about grades there is no acclaim for the athlete who is here with the intent of pursuing his education in return for being a part of the system. While fans around the country chastise and critique a system that includes the one and done farce that puts talent and hoops above the scholar athlete model  it deserts the borderline talented athlete who keeps his grades exemplary and is in the middle of a coaching change which  leaves him with  no recourse but to find a new place to finish up.. He has  to leave his teh university he committed to and has come to love as much as everyone here who has the word OHIO on their degree to find a place and finish with a different name on his diploma.


I agree with this statement, it is clearly an NCAA problem. I'm not going to get upset at a new coach that is releasing a kids he doesn't see contributing to the program, just because the previous coach promised him a scholarship. After all, we are going to be holding JC accountable for the program...hopefully he uses the open scholarship wisely. 

The situation I get upset about is when, a coach gets a kid on scholarship then shows him the door when the player doesn't perform as that coach expected.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 3:01 PM
Borna, trust me I'm with you on this one. I'm old school - we granted a kid a scholarship with the implication it would be for 4 years - honor it. Unless the individual did something that would warrant it being re-voked and from what I understand, Jacobs did nothing but play by the rules, his scholarship should have continued to be honored.

That being said I too realize "the game" and "the rules" have changed. The money being paid to coaches, the strains on budgets, the pressure to "get to the next level" and all that goes with it, have made the Ethan Jacobs' of the world "expendable", not only here at OHIO, but if far too many other colleges as well. Sad situation, especially for a kid that by all accounts did everything the right way.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 3:22 PM
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.... I'm not going to get upset at a new coach that is releasing a kids he doesn't see contributing to the program...


Well....  I disagree with you on this one.  I don't believe a new coach should be able to come in and kick kids out. Nor a continuing coach kick kids out who aren't as good as the coach thought.  

I'm in favor of the 4 year scholarship idea. 

But, we all know it happens.  There are plenty of stories of coaches making life miserable for kids hoping they will transfer.



 
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Posted: 5/9/2012 5:03 PM
Colo66, I wouldn't be too quick to discount the role of a "big-man" coach. I thought John Rhodes did some great things with McGowan, Leon, DeVaughn and KVK. Watching KVK as a freshman and what he developed into as a senior was night and day in my opinion.
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Posted: 5/9/2012 6:31 PM
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Colo66, I wouldn't be too quick to discount the role of a "big-man" coach. I thought John Rhodes did some great things with McGowan, Leon, DeVaughn and KVK. Watching KVK as a freshman and what he developed into as a senior was night and day in my opinion.
I agree that it made a difference with those guys. not so sure with Jacobs. maybe we'll see when he plays somewhere else what we missed. Anyway didn't we have a so called big man coach even if he didn' t play that position in college. All we're saying then is that JG didn't know how to pick the right staff.
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Posted: 5/10/2012 12:03 AM
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Colo66, I wouldn't be too quick to discount the role of a "big-man" coach. I thought John Rhodes did some great things with McGowan, Leon, DeVaughn and KVK. Watching KVK as a freshman and what he developed into as a senior was night and day in my opinion.


Rhodes also coached quite a few unsuccessful big men. Meanwhile, Dustin developed Devaughn, Ivo, and Keely into very solid players.
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