From SIU transferring in.  Will be eligible 13-14 season. 

Actually this is the 3rd transfer for Christian and don't forget Kadeem Green (Mizzou) under Groce will be eligible in December.

Travis Wilkins (JC) - Eligible immediately.  2 years to play.  Shooting Guard
Javarez Bean Willis (Texas Tech) - Eligible to play in 2013.  2 years to play from that point.  Point Guard.
Treg Setty (SIU) - Eligible to play in 2013.  3 years to play from that point. Small Forward/Power Forward.  Currently the only player in the 2016 class.

I don't have a problem with any of this so far.  All appear to be talented players.  With the large junior & senior classes it may be necessary to contiue the practice if more balanced classes are desired.

I've never been a big fan of a ton of transfers on the team, but I like what JC is doing to try and replace Cooper, Offutt, Baltic, and Keely immediately rather than waiting for a core group to develop. These guy we're bringing in should make an instant impact so when those guys graduate next year we won't miss a beat.

Now, if this continues, I might get a little worried.

GOnna say that is crap. Flat out.

We do not need to get used to it. Jeff Goodman's list gets bigger every year. Pandering to handlers, prima donnas, cast offs, underachievers and malcontents which make up the bulk of the list is really the way you think we need to proceed?

Building a team around itinerant ballers is the future you see?

Please.

Look at the recent history and success here. The 2010 run was because a cadre of 4 year players (Asown, Devaughn, KVK  Tommy and DJ ) learned to use their skills wisely, conceding personal goals and skills in order to adapt to a single player who came into the system and destroyed the wise open offense and defensive scheme that had been put in place over the course of the previous year and up to the Marsahll game in late November 2009. Over a rocky early MAC season 4 year scholarship players became a support staff dishing assists, draining threes, setting screens, rebounding and faciltating one transfer player who had a rather remarkable month and a half. A real  tribute to those kids coaches and mentors who went through the process.

The next run came squarely on the shoulders of 4 year players who were freshmen in 2010 (DJ, Ivo, Reg and walk on Dmac) and added Kellogg, Taylor, Hall, Johnson and  transfers in Offutt and previously recruited by Ohio John SMith . ONce again backed by strong families and support systems.

JOhn Groce brought in families and built the program on the backs of 4 year players who were here and that he subsequently  brought in.... Everyone who has been on this ride and happy about it should acknowledge the foundation and basis of the success and where it lies.

The bottom line here is this success came on the backs of 4 year players with strong and supportive family structures.

Historically I have not been a fan of transfers having been close to hundreds of players, parents, handlers during the initial HS recruiting process and subsequent "shopping" of the athlete during the transfer process. I continuously advise kids and parents to find a place where they are going to love the school, get the 4 year degree in the program they want and NOT count on the coaching staff being the same as the day you started.

I think when a kid is being recruited he is looking at how he fits with the present players and then once he has signed is part of the recruiting process for subsequent recruits. When you start bringing in JC's there is no continuity in the program and the locker room constantly is in upheaval as guys have to get used to each other. For the life of me I can t think of a whole lot of sustainable programs that have a bulk of classes made up of transfers. I do agree that losing 4 players next year leaves a dearth of spots open and in this case may be a direction that is neccessary but I suspect that if this is the norm we will not look much like  or be as fan friendly and likeable as what we have seen the last 4 years.

Sorry for the rant but transferring is a pet peeve of mine and to say that we need to get used to it after seeing the success built on recruiting 4 year players with strong support systems recently I gotta disagree with conceding to an unacceptable  and generally unproven, unsupported wisdom.

I believe so...similar to Smith. I think we wanted Setty and then Nance Jr. but never had the scholly to give. Also, you gotta love a guy who turned down Miami twice.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/316760/3/SIUC-basketball...

And the Texas Tech transfer is also similar to Smith in that he was recruited by Christian out of high school. I also see our JUCO as a four-year type who didn't play D1 out of HS do to a religious commitment, not exactly your stereotypical JC player. But yeah, I see the hesitation. Sure.

I think JC was treading a fine line. He didn't want to upset the comraderie of a Sweet a16 team by bringing in a bunch of high school players, so the D-1 transfers are good because they HAVE to sit a year. He might have seen one weakness, a three-point shooter who could do what Freeman did, and signed him to play next year. Other than that, there should be no chemistry issues next year among the players. And you have a couple of solid prospects to learn the "culture."

That said, I believe what borna said. (All HS from here. I will worry bigtime if next year's class is JUCOs and D-I transfers.) But I do wonder why his previous post left out the name Armon Bassett. haha. jk.

I usually agree with you, but that is crazy selective memory. Armon Bassett was the biggest reason we won the MAC tournament and beat Georgetown in 2010. Claiming otherwise is being naive. 

Borna and others are right about the advantages of emphasizing four year players in recruiting, and I fully expect that we'll see that emphasis in next season's recruiting.  Meanwhile, I don't have a problem with the signings so far.  We get Treg Setty for three years.  Willis got caught up in Gillispie's weirdness at Texas Tech and needed a place to land.  Wilkins has a great background and fills a roster need. 

Sometimes people transfer for legitimate reasons.  Sometimes they don't.

You severely misquoted him.

You went over the deep end with this one. 

Yes I guess looking back it was a cherry-picking on my part. Sorry. Am I the New York Times? No. Take a step back from the ledge. 

The main point of your first post was that you don't think we should be filling up our team with transfer players. I believe my point about Bassett being our best player is still valid here.  

Walt and Jon Smith should also show you that there is no harm in having multiple transfers either.

Borna should chill out because another poster can't comprehend what was posted? Geez, you seem as challenged as the other guy.   READ ... COMPREHEND.  Not rocket science.

Severe thread hijack.....Treg Setty will be a decent player for the Cats.

If you disagree tell me why not?

Pretty sure he admitted it, he just threw in that it seemed like an over-reaction.  This is kind of like when you wife goes absolutely ballistic over a sock or something, and even though she was right about the sock, you still fight back because she came at you like an angry ninja.