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Posted: 12/1/2012 9:05 PM
RMU played out of their shoes again. Karvel Anderson will never do that again. What is it with us and the Colonials. Please never play them again. Please. Regardless, Memphis loss coming with the way we played tonight. Missed way too many threes and took way too many. Will be interesting to see the resolve of this team. Last year RMU doused our top 25 hopes and this year they will too. 
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Posted: 12/1/2012 9:13 PM
For the love of god, please don't schedule this team again.  Possibly the best team we've ever had, and the seniors lose four straight games to these guys.  Didn't think it was possible for a team to shoot such ridiculous percentages against one team every time, but Robert Morris proves me wrong.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 9:13 PM
I have the opposite position...schedule Robert Morris every year for eternity until we finally beat them. Just ridiculous that this senior class will have 3+ ncaa tourney wins, 2+ MAC titles, all kinds of records...and an 0-4 record against robert freaking morris.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 9:13 PM
Wtf! Glad I am drinking.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 9:15 PM
And that is the nature of sports. Karvel Anderson wouldn't shoot 8-8 in my driveway, but he did it tonight.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 9:18 PM
ClevelandCat25 wrote:expand_more
RMU played out of their shoes again. Karvel Anderson will never do that again. What is it with us and the Colonials. Please never play them again. Please. Regardless, Memphis loss coming with the way we played tonight. Missed way too many threes and took way too many. Will be interesting to see the resolve of this team. Last year RMU doused our top 25 hopes and this year they will too. 


We lost every shooting stat tonight. Giving up 67% on 3's is amazing. Not sure if they just shot lights out or if our D was that bad leaving them wide open. Overall RMU was 56% and over 83% at the line. Our numbers weren't horrific; 41% from the floor, 43% on 3's and 71% on FT's.

Be interesting to see posts from Borna and anyone else there regarding our D and if they had open looks all night.

Anderson was perfect; 10-10 and 8-8 on 3's; 28 pts in 26 minutes.

Wonder why Stevie didn't get more minutes 2nd half. And was Johnson hurt? Didn't play as far as I know.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 9:41 PM
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We lost every shooting stat tonight. Giving up 67% on 3's is amazing. Not sure if they just shot lights out or if our D was that bad leaving them wide open. Overall RMU was 56% and over 83% at the line. Our numbers weren't horrific; 41% from the floor, 43% on 3's and 71% on FT's.

Be interesting to see posts from Borna and anyone else there regarding our D and if they had open looks all night.

Anderson was perfect; 10-10 and 8-8 on 3's; 28 pts in 26 minutes.

I watched online.  Anderson had 2-3 open looks early, but 6 of his last 7 3's he drilled were with a man draped all over him.  Early on, our defense was a little soft.  But we tightened up, only to have almost every little bump called a foul.  I'll never blame a loss ever on refs, but Bobby Mo was in the bonus with 14:00 left in the 2nd half.  We couldn't clamp down on D much as everything was getting called.  There wasn't a charging call on Bobby Mo the entire game either, and I though Walt took at least 2 that were called blocking fouls.

Big argument in the chat room with BeerCheeseSoup.  He said we were lazy and displayed no effort (which he learned from looking at the box score, as he didn't actually watch the game . . .)

OUr guys gave it everything they had.  We took some bad shots, but everytime we got it really close, Bobby Mo would nail a big 3 or get to the line and knock them down. 

This loss stinks, a lot.  But it had NOTHING to do with OUr boys effort at all.  Regroup, and hopefully take down Memphis.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 9:57 PM
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We lost every shooting stat tonight. Giving up 67% on 3's is amazing. Not sure if they just shot lights out or if our D was that bad leaving them wide open. Overall RMU was 56% and over 83% at the line. Our numbers weren't horrific; 41% from the floor, 43% on 3's and 71% on FT's.

Be interesting to see posts from Borna and anyone else there regarding our D and if they had open looks all night.

Anderson was perfect; 10-10 and 8-8 on 3's; 28 pts in 26 minutes.

I watched online.  Anderson had 2-3 open looks early, but 6 of his last 7 3's he drilled were with a man draped all over him.  Early on, our defense was a little soft.  But we tightened up, only to have almost every little bump called a foul.  I'll never blame a loss ever on refs, but Bobby Mo was in the bonus with 14:00 left in the 2nd half.  We couldn't clamp down on D much as everything was getting called.  There wasn't a charging call on Bobby Mo the entire game either, and I though Walt took at least 2 that were called blocking fouls.

Big argument in the chat room with BeerCheeseSoup.  He said we were lazy and displayed no effort (which he learned from looking at the box score, as he didn't actually watch the game . . .)

OUr guys gave it everything they had.  We took some bad shots, but everytime we got it really close, Bobby Mo would nail a big 3 or get to the line and knock them down. 

This loss stinks, a lot.  But it had NOTHING to do with OUr boys effort at all.  Regroup, and hopefully take down Memphis.


Thanks -- sounds like Anderson had a career night.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 10:10 PM
I watched the webcast.  I agree with Coach Christian's post game assessment (and I'm sure he's relieved that I agree with him) that early in the game we didn't close out well on their three point shooters.  He said that as the game progressed, we abandoned solid position defense and reached and fouled too much.  Exactly right.

Other than that, we played OK.  

Bobby Morris is a decent ball club that is really tough at home and they just had that mojo going tonight.  I agree that it's amazing that they've beaten us four games in a row now.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 10:25 PM
I was at the game and RMU was shooting lights out. They didn't miss fouls shots either. Compliments to the OU fans at the game. They outnumbered  the RMU fans aside from the students. Very impressive showing.

RMU played the game of their lives, but the Bobcats and Coach Christian never quit. OU seemed to be outrebounded handily in the first half but improved in the second. They will have to be better on the boards and force more turnovers.  
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Posted: 12/1/2012 10:26 PM
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I was at the game and RMU was shooting lights out. They didn't miss fouls shots either. Compliments to the OU fans at the game. They outnumbered  the RMU fans aside from the students. Very impressive showing.

RMU played the game of their lives, but the Bobcats and Coach Christian never quit. OU seemed to be outrebounded handily in the first half but improved in the second. They will have to be better on the boards and force more turnovers.  


Thanks.  I agree that the Bobcats didn't quit.  
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Posted: 12/1/2012 10:54 PM
Also watched the game online and I agree with all that's said here---our guys kept fighting, but RM just played out of their minds and this was just a tough situation for OHIO.  Even though this game appears to have been scheduled as a Home & Home a couple years ago, I regressed to my thoughts a few weeks ago as to why we would have this game on our schedule.  You could take any of the following stances:


1.  Forget rankings, OOC records and all that--this was a great opporunity to get ready for MAC away games in Jan & Feb.  Bulls-eye on our backs, small gym, small'ish crowd, gritty team fired up to play us.  OOC schedule is merely for the purposes of getting us ready for MAC play and this was an experience we needed to get under our belts as we work through the process of a season.

2.  Nothing to gain, lots to lose game vs. a team that for our resume could only go down in the "Bad Loss" category and not the "Quality Win" category for anyone outside of Athens.  National pundits don't know the NEC or Robert Morris, like we are learning.

3.  Similar to point #2, for the same reason we can't get the bigger dogs to come to Athens, we shouldn't be going into tough places like Robert Morris.  If we're going to schedule a tough road game like this, it had better be another Memphis, UMASS or Oklahoma and not Robert Morris.  This was a "High Risk, Low Return" type game for us and if we were going to schedule a "High Risk" game, it should've had "High Return"  potential.

4.  If we can't beat Robert Morris with this team anywhere they choose to play it, then let's just understand that now and stop dreaming.  If we think we're a Sweet 16/Top 25 team, then those type teams beat Robert Morris anywhere. 

Once again, probably already scheduled before we knew what the potential of this season could be, but you know my feelings regarding going in there tonight (not a smart strategic scheduling decision).  Most of us didn't feel good about this game going into it and I was just hoping to somehow escape it going into Memphis 7-0.  We now realize that our fears were justified.  We played hard, we just ran into a buzzsaw tonight and I'd be surprised if even Memphis plays this well against us next week.
Last Edited: 12/1/2012 11:20:03 PM by Chicken George
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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:12 PM
Jerry86 wrote:expand_more
Be interesting to see posts from Borna and anyone else there regarding our D and if they had open looks all night.

Anderson was perfect; 10-10 and 8-8 on 3's; 28 pts in 26 minutes.


Just quick before the battery dies.

The Juco Transfer from Elkhart IN hit 3 with hands in his face moving right , moving left off the dribble , off the screen, off the catch...everyone one was well defended and several could have been 4 pt plays with these refs. Defense on him was pretty solid and I nthink once they look at the tape they will say ...."wow" .... And I think he will have more games like that. He got his first start tonite and deserved it. Will be interesting to follow.  

Our D was suspect in other phases. We did not stop many of their actions and that switch out top with the bigs and guard seemed to be suspect all night resulting in mismatches and bad rotations. NOt sure why we stay with that samw switch we had last year that got Ivo in so much foul trouble and why we keep him switching this year. Seemsd to lead to other guys collecting fouls when he does it. Just MHO. I think RMU got all the looks they wanted off our defense...not sure what we were trying to take away.

We got housed on calls. I do not really worry too much about refs and usually urge kids to play through it but these guys took control of the game early and made sure RMU was allowed to play very physical while any attempt by us to do the same (which we are not really good at anyway) got a quick call. I actually felt kind of sorry for the guys. Usually I get up in em and tell em to quit playing like P...well you know but I truly do not think short of sitting down to guard and keepoing their hands above their shoulder like the old time slides we used to do would have kept them form getting called for stuff.

Despite all that the character of the team in general showed. They kept fighting, through the calls and through the really exceptional shooting night by RMU. they worked and fought and hustled. Just not many breaks. COuld have been problems in the communication of the scout or what they were doing but RMU had a great night despite the efforts put forth by several key members. It struck me as odd that we have this toruble. As I sat in Rhodes office this am and read through his scrapbook I thought it ominous that Ohio lost to RMU while he was playing under Nee I think ...

I am for dropping this game. There is a similar game Muncie Central keeps playing and I have told the AD several times do not think it helps them from any standpoint as we get housed every time we are down there and their style of play often leads to multiple injuries and hurts us mentally in the long run. (tho we usually win at our place and occassionally at their leading the series overall) .OHIO do not play physically and in  this way, we never have and never will. This game does not make us tourney tough and hurts our RPI when you factor in Quinnipiac and the numbers the rest of the NEC factor in. Dusquene and richmond may be better when you do the math as the rest of the A 10 numbers play into it. I do not know the backgrounds of he kids that play at RMU or where they get them but I am sure they would be right at home at Heekin Park in Muncie.

GUess my battery lasted longer than I thought.
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Posted: 12/1/2012 11:17 PM

Karvel Anderson!!

Gotta say RMU played near perfect on offense in this one. It was an awesome game. Ohio showed a lot of will coming back from a 19 pt deficit, but RMU always had an answer. 4-0 over you guys the past four years. Sorry we had to ruin your chance at getting ranked again. I like OU, always have. Cooper is an excellent PG, and didn’t have his best game tonight and still played well. That's a sign of a good player. Good luck vs Memphis. I’ll be pulling for you guys the rest of the way. 

PS, I am a senior at RMU, and in my four years here, that’s the best representation an opposing team has had at a game (including Duquesne who is right down the road). Awesome fan base. 

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Posted: 12/2/2012 12:18 AM
The combination of the absolutely atrocious refs and #15's blazing hot hand made this the most frustrating basketball game I've seen in quite some time.

Even though (maybe because) the RMU gym is so small it got pretty loud. It was a little disturbing to me that the guys seemed to get more than a little flustered in that environment, given that it really just seemed like a very loud high school gym.

Not a smart place to take your hopes of an at-large bid, it seems.

Bright side - Some good stuff out of Stevie tonight, he was instrumental in bringing us back from 17 down in the first half.

Other side - Travis looked very out of his element tonight.
Last Edited: 12/2/2012 12:19:22 AM by roar-room
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Posted: 12/2/2012 12:46 AM
I wish I just pulled in the driveway after a nice drive home after a victory. We could talk about the small time atmosphere and how RMU was overmatched tonight by a better Ohio team. . Unfortunately, the team dug a hole so big in the first half, they could never get out of it. RMU was much more physical and shot lights out. I thought the officials did a poor job being consistent. They did, however let DJ get away with two different outbursts that could have easily been technicals. I feel like he is always on the verge of getting a "T" when he doesn't get the call.

Heart was there tonight, effort was there and I don't even have a problem with the Bobcats shot selection, DJ included. He had one shot I didn't like, but if that goes in, it may have been enough to mount the comeback.

#15 can flat out shoot. His shots were contested. I was sitting two rows behind the bench beside borna and both Stevie and Nick came to the bench just shaking their heads a couple different times because they couldnt stop him. It was tough to watch because I kept thinking he was eventually going to miss one.

Our bigs need to play better. Ivo gamble too much on defense by going for the pump fake. The defensive help rotations are also too slow and inconsistent. The FT shooting is not solid either.

I hope they regroup and make a game of it in Memphis this week.
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Posted: 12/2/2012 1:25 AM
SonnyDrysdale wrote:expand_more
RMU played the game of their lives, but the Bobcats and Coach Christian never quit.

Chicken George wrote:expand_more
Also watched the game online and I agree with all that's said here---our guys kept fighting, but RM just played out of their minds and this was just a tough situation for OHIO.

bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
The Juco Transfer from Elkhart IN hit 3 with hands in his face moving right , moving left off the dribble , off the screen, off the catch...everyone one was well defended and several could have been 4 pt plays with these refs. Defense on him was pretty solid and I nthink once they look at the tape they will say ...."wow"

bobcat695 wrote:expand_more
Heart was there tonight, effort was there...

 
  • I can look at the boxscore and tell you how we played tonight.*
  • Rebounding is an effort stat.*
  • I didn't need to watch the game to tell you that we were lazy and had a poor effort.*
  • Guys don't go 10/10 if any sort of defense was being played.*
*BeerCheeseSoup's sentiments in the chat room after the game


Odd?  Other people who were at the game saw exactly what I saw.  OUr boys gave it everything they had.  Keep looking at the box score and making inaccurate assumptions.
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Posted: 12/2/2012 9:20 AM
That's life on the road folks.

This game is why nobody from bigger conferences wants to come to the Convo.  The difference between the 20th best and 60th best teams in the country probably isn't huge.  Home court comfort and hot shooting is the right recipe for this type of result.

Robert Morris has beaten us so many times now its mind boggling.  What the.....

Keep these guys on the schedule.

We've got a very good team.  But, do we have a go-to guy? Or a go-to play?




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Posted: 12/2/2012 10:16 AM
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I watched the webcast.  I agree with Coach Christian's post game assessment (and I'm sure he's relieved that I agree with him) that early in the game we didn't close out well on their three point shooters.  He said that as the game progressed, we abandoned solid position defense and reached and fouled too much.  Exactly right.

Other than that, we played OK.  

Bobby Morris is a decent ball club that is really tough at home and they just had that mojo going tonight.  I agree that it's amazing that they've beaten us four games in a row now.


I watched the game on line and I agree with Jeff (and am sure he will enjoy the relief that JC now enjoys).   To come out on top tonight the team needed to execute better, which is different than trying harder.   Winning up there was possible with a more flawless performance.  I like that Ohio plays this game.  It's a preview of the MAC.  If there is such a thing as a bad loss for the resume, but a good loss for the growth of the team, I'd say this is it.

Plus, if we expect "big conference teams" to make the brave commitment to play at the Convo we should be willing to do the same.  Keep RMU on the schedule!
Last Edited: 12/2/2012 10:17:21 AM by El Gato Roberto
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Posted: 12/2/2012 10:42 AM
El Gato Roberto wrote:expand_more
I watched the webcast.  I agree with Coach Christian's post game assessment (and I'm sure he's relieved that I agree with him) that early in the game we didn't close out well on their three point shooters.  He said that as the game progressed, we abandoned solid position defense and reached and fouled too much.  Exactly right.

Other than that, we played OK.  

Bobby Morris is a decent ball club that is really tough at home and they just had that mojo going tonight.  I agree that it's amazing that they've beaten us four games in a row now.


I watched the game on line and I agree with Jeff (and am sure he will enjoy the relief that JC now enjoys).   To come out on top tonight the team needed to execute better, which is different than trying harder.   Winning up there was possible with a more flawless performance.  I like that Ohio plays this game.  It's a preview of the MAC.  If there is such a thing as a bad loss for the resume, but a good loss for the growth of the team, I'd say this is it.

Plus, if we expect "big conference teams" to make the brave commitment to play at the Convo we should be willing to do the same.  Keep RMU on the schedule!


Could not agree more, EGR.  I hope we keep Robert Morris on the schedule; I'd really like to see Ohio beat them just once.
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Posted: 12/2/2012 12:20 PM
We can all dissect this game every which way but it all comes back to defense and learning how to win on the road.
We in no way should have lost this game based on where each team was at this point in the season.
Ohio is clearly the better and more talented team.
Christian needs to show that he can prepare the troops to win on the road.
Based on this performance he has some work to do.
I want to see these players living up to their words about getting better each game.
We need to take every opponent seriously like we were playing a nationally ranked team.





GO BOBCATS
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Posted: 12/2/2012 3:22 PM
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Be interesting to see posts from Borna and anyone else there regarding our D and if they had open looks all night.

Anderson was perfect; 10-10 and 8-8 on 3's; 28 pts in 26 minutes.



We got housed on calls. I do not really worry too much about refs and usually urge kids to play through it but these guys took control of the game early and made sure RMU was allowed to play very physical while any attempt by us to do the same (which we are not really good at anyway) got a quick call. I actually felt kind of sorry for the guys. Usually I get up in em and tell em to quit playing like P...well you know but I truly do not think short of sitting down to guard and keepoing their hands above their shoulder like the old time slides we used to do would have kept them form getting called for stuff.



I agree with this.  The refs didn't cost us the game; RMU outplayed us.  But I noticed on the webcast that RMU was allowed to beat up on us all night with kamikaze defense, while they had a quick whistle when Ohio was physical.  OTOH, there were times that we were reaching in defense and clearly fouling.  
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Posted: 12/2/2012 5:10 PM
I was at the game and have nothing to add. We played hard and could not overcome a guy shooting 10-10.
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