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Posted: 12/11/2012 1:32 AM
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Posted: 12/11/2012 2:58 AM
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This is the part where I scream lets join the A-10, so we can make it A-24.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 8:35 AM
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The basketball only members need to do this immediately.  And, then beg the A10 to let them in.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 9:16 AM
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Bobcats_828 wrote:expand_more
This is the part where I scream lets join the A-10, so we can make it A-24.

This is the part where I agree.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 9:29 AM
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I posted this on the football message board awhile back but I heard back in late-August/early-September from someone close to the UD AD that the 7 BE schools were breaking off and joining UD, Xavier and Butler in a new 10-team league (SLU would move to MVC). He said it would be announced within 90 days. But then the BE announced a new TV deal and I thought it was dead. With the BE TV deal back up in the air, maybe it's back on?
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Posted: 12/11/2012 10:20 AM
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So the question is...If Xavier, Dayton, and Butler leave the A-10...then look to us to fill the void...Are we still interested?
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Posted: 12/11/2012 10:51 AM
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No need to join a downgraded A10.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 11:11 AM
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There are 7 Catholic Big East schools. None play FBS football.

There are 8 Catholic Atlantic 10 schools. None play FBS football. Butler is not one of them by the way.

A combination of the two, and an invitation to Notre Dame with geographic divisions, would be an absolute force. It could probably support a BTN type of network with requisite religious programming. And Notre Dame would be relieved of it's promise to play ACC football games.

It makes far too much sense to ever happen.
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There are a couple of questions. First, do the 7 members have the legal right to dissolve the league name and keep the brand name and assets? If not, the new conference wouldn't collect NCAA Tourney money until it was eligible for an automatic bid again. Second, is the issue of money. The new BE deal would give the basketball schools $1M to $1.4M. That's less than the $1.5M they are making now but more than the $350K the A-10 schools get annually. So the question is how close could a basketball-only conference some to the money they are walking away from. I think it would be close enough that they walk. Temple gets a BE vote beginning July 1st so the basketball schools have until that time to decide. 
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Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
There are a couple of questions. First, do the 7 members have the legal right to dissolve the league name and keep the brand name and assets? If not, the new conference wouldn't collect NCAA Tourney money until it was eligible for an automatic bid again. Second, is the issue of money. The new BE deal would give the basketball schools $1M to $1.4M. That's less than the $1.5M they are making now but more than the $350K the A-10 schools get annually. So the question is how close could a basketball-only conference some to the money they are walking away from. I think it would be close enough that they walk. Temple gets a BE vote beginning July 1st so the basketball schools have until that time to decide. 


I think its worth walking away from some money.  And, you'd think the NCAA could figure out the whole automatic bid thing.  But, the NCAA is worse than Congress......
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Posted: 12/11/2012 11:49 AM
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There could also be some cost savings in travel from non-revenue sports to help offset less revenue.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 2:39 PM
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That is alot of money that would need to be offset, there would have to be a pretty good analysis of what a new basketball TV contract would bring for the A-10 with the addition of the Big East bball schools. 
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Posted: 12/11/2012 2:46 PM
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That is alot of money that would need to be offset, there would have to be a pretty good analysis of what a new basketball TV contract would bring for the A-10 with the addition of the Big East bball schools. 


I don't think that the BE schools would be interested in joining the A-10. Why wouldn't the 7 of them just cherry-pick the best schools out of the A-10? Heck, there are some schools in the A-10 that the upper tier teams would rather not have (Fordham, Duquesne, St. Bonaventure).

I don't think Villanova would join a league with St. Joe's/LaSalle or that St. John's would join a league with Fordham or Georgetwon with GW or Providence with URI.

If you had a 10-team league, everyone would get a bigger share of the NCAA Tourney and TV money. 
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Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
I posted this on the football message board awhile back but I heard back in late-August/early-September from someone close to the UD AD that the 7 BE schools were breaking off and joining UD, Xavier and Butler in a new 10-team league (SLU would move to MVC). He said it would be announced within 90 days. But then the BE announced a new TV deal and I thought it was dead. With the BE TV deal back up in the air, maybe it's back on?


So it would be:

St. Johns
Providence
Georgetown
Villanova
Marquette
Depaul
Seton Hall
Xavier
Dayton
Butler
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bn9 wrote:expand_more
I posted this on the football message board awhile back but I heard back in late-August/early-September from someone close to the UD AD that the 7 BE schools were breaking off and joining UD, Xavier and Butler in a new 10-team league (SLU would move to MVC). He said it would be announced within 90 days. But then the BE announced a new TV deal and I thought it was dead. With the BE TV deal back up in the air, maybe it's back on?


So it would be:

St. Johns
Providence
Georgetown
Villanova
Marquette
Depaul
Seton Hall
Xavier
Dayton
Butler


That is correct. Although I have seen stories postulate that SLU and Richmond would join to make it a 12-team league. I think a 12-team league was more predicated by football (so you can have a championship game). SLU would make sense but Rick Majerus was very public in saying they should leave the A-10 for the MVC. The thinking may be different with the opportunity to join with the BE schools.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 6:39 PM
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Yeah, I've been hearing a lot about the Catholic Conference, and it would be one heck of a force in basketball. Too bad we won't ever see it because football makes the conference carousel turn...but I don't want to be bailing for the A-10. The MAC is far and away the most stable of any conference north of the Mason-Dixon line.
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Posted: 12/11/2012 10:21 PM
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First off, I don't think they would come calling.  They strictly want to high-profile b-ball, low profile football conference.  No FBS.  Even if they did come calling, we should turn them down.  The money we'd get from b-ball only wouldn't match what we can get from MAC participation in the new football world in two years.  Plus, we'd likely wind up in a less stable football conference.

I doubt they'll be able to keep the Big Least brand, but I'm not sure they'd want it.  It has become so watered down with the football grab that they may want to distance themselves from it.
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Pete Chouteau wrote:expand_more
There are 7 Catholic Big East schools. None play FBS football.

There are 8 Catholic Atlantic 10 schools. None play FBS football. Butler is not one of them by the way.

A combination of the two, and an invitation to Notre Dame with geographic divisions, would be an absolute force. It could probably support a BTN type of network with requisite religious programming. And Notre Dame would be relieved of it's promise to play ACC football games.

It makes far too much sense to ever happen.


Exactly, no one in college football/basketball has any common sense
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I posted these thoughts over on the football board, but I think they are pertinent for basketball as well.

With the new coming today that the Big East looks headed to the dustbin of conferences, and barring a last minute invite from the ACC what is Cincinnati going to do? I think if the Big East is dissolved the MAC should immediately make overtures to Cincinnati, Memphis and Marshall. Cincy and Memphis are basketball powers and they certainly have upgraded their football programs while Marshall has probably been longing to get back into the MAC for a while. I imagine UConn will be invited to the ACC, but if they are not, why not throw a lifeline to them. The MAC should be proactive, it may be out best chance to upgrade and our stability should be a draw. Our football has been on the upswing for years and these schools realize that is where the money is at this point in college athletics. Who knows, when the dust is settled it may look like the best option for all of these schools. What other options do they have at this point? It may sound crazy but crazier things have happened.
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Interesting quote from article: "What is certain is that programs such as Temple, which is set to join the Big East in basketball next season, Cincinnati, Connecticut and South Florida, are in terrible limbo."  [Emphasis mine]
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Garry Parrish of CBSSports.com is now reporting that the BE Non-footballers are GONE. I think you may now officially declare UC, UConn and even our former flame Temple in "serious" Limbo!
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Is there any downside for the MAC in at least making an offer to those schools in limbo?  Yes, we could be laughed at but we usually are anyway.
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PalmerFest wrote:expand_more
Is there any downside for the MAC in at least making an offer to those schools in limbo?  Yes, we could be laughed at but we usually are anyway.


No downside.  Just don't expect a whole lot. 

I think the breakup of the Big Least is/was inevitable.  Too many one-sport schools.  Too many splits to the pie.  The WAC found that a 16-team league was too unwieldy with scheduling and the loss of old rivalries, and the old WAC schools formed the MWC.  Imagine having 16 teams for basketball and 15 teams for football conference with half of them different from basketball.  Total lack of identity.
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