No not college ball, just something more competitive than checkers at the pre-school. Anyone knows that shooting comes and goes from the perimeter, and you have nights when they won't fall, tons of factors in play, it's not as easy as this person made it sound, that's all I am saying, that and anyone who's played understands that.

So then you are saying that your son never had a bad night shooting percentage wise? Because I'd consider him a maker, and not a shooter, but I'd also say he had some poor games shooting. It happens.

Sittting around in the blizzard with no place to go. YOur post interested me so I went back to game notes and broke out 3 balls (just assuming pure shooters are graded on their ability to knock down trey though I really like some one with mid range game) and looked at the trends over the course of a season.

Interesting that I began remembering the games where a team "picked their poison " when  i was  just  looking at the numbers.  I should go back and look to see what those low shot number games opened up in the way of inside game, drives by the other guards, increased shot production on the other side of the floor. Miami and Akron in the rematches chose not to lose the shooter IIRC the second time around. That frees up another part of the game if you can't help off the shooter. I think looking at the numbers most players would be fairly happy game by game.

I do not see any real stinkers in the bunch but I do remember his selectivity. When defenders are closing out or not leaving, you have adjust which means getting to the FT line by decking the ball or creating for others through screening, passing or just creating havoc with cuts and movement. I think that the nights he knew the shots were not going to fall or there was great pressure on the ball and on the shooter he looked for other ways to contribute and adjusted limiting his numbers of shots..... Marshall, Akron and Miami are the outliers but there were a couple of late shot clock heaves in those games I remember we talked about in the post game chats. I would say if anything through his career he probably was too hesitant a shooter....especially now that I have watched a season under a coach that said " I hired you here to shoot....I will take a bad shot of yours over a good shot by 8 of my other players." looking at these numbers and recalling the games I remember Bader, Brandon WOod, Alex Young defending in the Oakland, Valpo and IUPUI games and the Kansas Concussion along with the Illinois State food poisoning like it was yesterday. SO yes I do think anyone who plays the game understands what actually affects a shot over and above inconsistent release, faulty mechanics, inadequate practice time/habits and confidence.

More to the point, in breaking down the numbers and replaying the games in my head I do not see a lot  of games I am calling stinkers...even the St Bonnies game with several late shot clock and bail out passes was passable by most standards. In essence, I get what you are saying but Makers are incredibly consistent and know early when they need to change it up and get to the FT line or take what the defense is giving them. Developing a shooting conscience and being able to read the defense is probably as important as the thousands of shots you put up to refine the technique. The wierdest stat that jumps out at me is that in games  where he got up 10 or more shots that he was over  .500 except for IUPUI and that was a measly .385....that looks pretty wild to me.

Opponent                               3fg-fga pct
DELAWARE                            0-1 . 0 0
OAKLAND                               6-12 .500
A&M-CORPUS CHRISTI      3-7 . 4 2 9
VALPARAISO                          1-2 .500
vs KU                                      . 0-2 . 0 0 0
MARSHALL                             1-5 .200
at Illinois State                       0-1 . 0 0 0
IUPUI                                       5-13 .385
ST. FRANCIS (PA)                  5-6 . 8 3 3
at St. Bonaventure                 3-9 .333
TEMPLE OWLS                      0-1 . 0 0 0
NORFOLK STATE                   5-8 .625
ROBERT MORRIS                 5-10 . 5 0 0
MIAMI REDHAWKS                5-7 .714
at Akron                                    5-8 . 6 2 5
KENT STATE                           4-8 .500 0-0 .
at Bowling Green                   2-4 . 5 0 0
BUFFALO                                1-3 .333
EASTERN MICHIGAN           1-4 . 2 5 0
at Ball State                             2-6 .333
at Central Michigan               3-9 . 3 3 3
NORTHERN ILLINOIS .        0-1 .000
TOLEDO                                  7-14 . 5 0 0 0-
at Western Michigan           .  3-9 .333
at Buffalo 02/15/11                 3-6 . 5 0 0
at Winthrop                              7-11 .636
BOWLING GREEN                 5-10 . 5 0 0
at Kent State                            1-2 .500      ft 8-8 1.000
AKRON                                     1-6 . 1 6 7
at Miami RedHawks               2-8 .250   ft 7-9 .778
TOLEDO 3/8/11                        3-7 . 4 2 9 ft 7-8 .
vs Ball State                              3-7 .429
at Marshall                                 3-7 . 4 2 9
Totals                                         97-220 .441    ft 57-68 .838

I remember about once a year that the "I know more than you do" part of this message board reminds me of junior high. 

Nick is at .418 this year and .429 for career.

Stats I'm looking at are as of Dec. 22,  Yours Dec  20.  On the Ohio Athletics Site. Oh well. I don't know much , but do try to stay up to date.

Borna, Love the discussion and love the game.  I also love opinions but get weary of the attitude that if you don't agree with "me" then you are ignorant, etc...Basically I was making a comment that that faceless dialogue lends itself to a level of disrespect that probably would not happen if people were sitting around a table with a few cold ones and that the tone sometimes probably keeps some from posting their opinions.  

If you do go back to Indiana boards please stay here also:) 

At the risk of sounding like a suck-up, I've come to really enjoy your posts on the finer aspects of the game. My dad was a high school/middle school coach for just over a decade when I was younger and I regularly tell him that he needs to get on here and talk basketball because we have so many great minds of the game that post here regularly.  He loved watching Tommy play, so I tell him that he can pick that mind whenever he wants on here, hahaha. 

Well - I certainly had no clue so had to look it up as you perked my curiosity. Won't give it away, but that is a cool story. Congrats on yer 1K post!

Really like the discussion of shooters and makers.  Is Nick in the shooter category?  DJ isn't really in this discussion but I take it he would be a maker if he was.  Although I'm not crazy about his form, isn't Travis a shooter?  Anyone else on the team?  Willis?

Oh come on borna, it's the oldest mascot in the state of IN.  Me thinks the boys from Logansport gave the boys from Central a game a time or two.

Since  you knew that one - try this one.  A current staff member at Logansport has the distinction of having been what?  The clue is - NBA.

Wish I could join you for the games Saturday but have a going away party to attend here in Athens that evening.

Methinks you would be wrong. pastbb.homestead.com/files/pastboys198.htm  I cant remember the last time Central lost to Logansport. I think TOmmy might have been in grade school. Interestingly I do remember the team Bonzi took downstate lost to Logan 2 of his 4 years.

I am not sure about the NBA connection with out looking. The PA guy tomorrow is a Muncie Central grad who has coached volleyball at Logan for 18 yrs or so . I will ramble down and pose the question tomorrow and see if he can introduce me to the answer to your question. I take it you have been doing business in Logansport?

As for the Mascot it is interesting that the team name is the Berries and they play in the "Berry Bowl" but the Mascot is decidedly different....and immediately recognizable. Anyone get the pretzel yet?........and BTW name a H of F College coach who coached the Pretzels and the city associated with that team........