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Topic: $18.7 million in repairs to the Convo?
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Posted: 1/6/2013 11:00 PM
I haven't been to that many top flight college basketball arena's, but the few I've been to would give OHIO dozens or great ideas for how to modernize the Convo.  Probably the most impressive I've visited was Purdue.  What really caught my attention at their arena was the attention to detail in the concourses.  Tons of displays and memorabilia from the history of the program.  Every few feet their was a display in nice glass cases with hardwood finishes furnished with displays that you could tell someone had spent lots of time putting together. 

Compare that to the Convo that is cold, plain and elementary in nature.  The Convo just has zero in regards to personality as you walk around the hallways.

The other thing Purdue had was some great perks for the lower bowl seats--granted I'm sure those who sit there are paying a lot more than we are.  The Platnium section seats were leather chairs with team logo's professionally embroidered.  However inside the playing arena itself, the Convo is not horrible outside of needing a new scoreboard.  Where we really miss out are the asthetics in the concourses.
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Posted: 1/6/2013 11:30 PM
Agreed, Chicken George. The concourse is where we really need some help. The only place with any sort of character or tribute to history are the display cases in the lobby and the hall of fame. And the hall of fame needs LOTS of TLC.

I realize that this would cost some serious $$$, but it would be great to spice up the concourse with graphics, bigger trophy cases, and more connections to OUr history. Some serious donations would be needed, though, to get this in motion.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:50 AM
I agree with opinions concerning a "re-do" of the Hall of Fame, as well as other improvements around the concourse. 
The main improvement I would like to see, (besides scoreboard), would be to re-activate or re-install the outside, highlighting around the outside of the building.  I believe that the lighting has not been used since the days of the energy conservation efforts way back when.  I am sure it would cost some money to use, but even if it is just on "game-nights" it would be a great improvement.  The convo used to be lit up like a spaceship and really looked awesome on game nights back in the day !!!    Bring it back !!
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Posted: 1/8/2013 9:07 AM
THumbs up on repalcing the faded pics.

I have been asking about LEDs and low voltage systems to replace my signage at the office. One would think there are really good alternatives to lighting the outside of the Convo as well.

The nice thing about the PU situation (and I have not been there in 18 months so I do not know how the changes went ) is the use of auxilary boards up top on the ends to keep track of points, fouls, ast, To and such. Seems easy enough to do there although where they have them in that much smaller version of the COnvo  would be miles away in OUr cavernous home.

I talked with some folks about putting removable vinyl panels up on the green seats on the highest middle elevations (or even all the green sections around the top)  featuring the schedules or action photos of the seniors or some nice subject matter that could be seen from the floor and easily retracted if they need the seats. Would kind of soften the top and create media presence and additional hype.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:47 PM
doubledribble wrote:expand_more
I agree with opinions concerning a "re-do" of the Hall of Fame


Snoopy Graham deserves a robotic action statue - w/accompanying "Sweet Georgia Brown" tuneage................

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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:49 PM
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The convo used to be lit up like a spaceship and really looked awesome on game nights back in the day !!!    Bring it back !!


That made me have a "flashback" (Green Dragon - 1977)
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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:57 PM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
The convo used to be lit up like a spaceship and really looked awesome on game nights back in the day !!!    Bring it back !!


That made me have a "flashback".......................


A few years back I happened to be in the Convo renewing tickets or something of that nature and the athletic administrators were taking a tour with a consulting/facilities management firm.  I walked over to the group and struck up a conversation and discovered what they were doing.  As a Green and White Club past president the question was asked "what would you do" and my response echoed what this group has said - 1) exterior lighting so that you know there is a game that night, 2) upgrade the Hall of Fame 3) provide a history of OU basketball/athletics around the concourse 4) bring the concession experience into the era of Top Chef and 5) banners that I had seen at BG that we now have at Peden.  

Four or five years have passed and we've seen none of this except the nice banners/graphics at Peden.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 9:28 PM
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Four or five years have passed and we've seen none of this except the nice banners/graphics at Peden.


And now we have only paper cup option, and don't have "split the pot"................

I don't understand why we don't have better program offer. Put together a nice, full of history/stats program, and insert the game day flyer we produce now. Only the new game day insert needs produced and copied each game. Sell the same 'flyer" we do now for $1, and offer the full program w/the flyer for $10 to $20. Is this just too..........."Well, Duh"?
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Posted: 1/9/2013 9:42 AM
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Four or five years have passed and we've seen none of this except the nice banners/graphics at Peden.


And now we have only paper cup option, and don't have "split the pot"................

I don't understand why we don't have better program offer. Put together a nice, full of history/stats program, and insert the game day flyer we produce now. Only the new game day insert needs produced and copied each game. Sell the same 'flyer" we do now for $1, and offer the full program w/the flyer for $10 to $20. Is this just too..........."Well, Duh"?


It's a flat out money loser.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 10:45 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
The convo used to be lit up like a spaceship and really looked awesome on game nights back in the day !!!    Bring it back !!


That made me have a "flashback".......................


A few years back I happened to be in the Convo renewing tickets or something of that nature and the athletic administrators were taking a tour with a consulting/facilities management firm.  I walked over to the group and struck up a conversation and discovered what they were doing.  As a Green and White Club past president the question was asked "what would you do" and my response echoed what this group has said - 1) exterior lighting so that you know there is a game that night, 2) upgrade the Hall of Fame 3) provide a history of OU basketball/athletics around the concourse 4) bring the concession experience into the era of Top Chef and 5) banners that I had seen at BG that we now have at Peden.  

Four or five years have passed and we've seen none of this except the nice banners/graphics at Peden.


It's been said before, but why not turn some of these needs into student projects for senior level classes, or  Masters students?  As an example, why couldn't the Sports Admin program help facilitate the Hall of Fame upgrades?  Shoot, I'd be a consultant on a fun project like that!
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:20 AM
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The convo used to be lit up like a spaceship and really looked awesome on game nights back in the day !!!    Bring it back !!


That made me have a "flashback".......................


A few years back I happened to be in the Convo renewing tickets or something of that nature and the athletic administrators were taking a tour with a consulting/facilities management firm.  I walked over to the group and struck up a conversation and discovered what they were doing.  As a Green and White Club past president the question was asked "what would you do" and my response echoed what this group has said - 1) exterior lighting so that you know there is a game that night, 2) upgrade the Hall of Fame 3) provide a history of OU basketball/athletics around the concourse 4) bring the concession experience into the era of Top Chef and 5) banners that I had seen at BG that we now have at Peden.  

Four or five years have passed and we've seen none of this except the nice banners/graphics at Peden.


It's been said before, but why not turn some of these needs into student projects for senior level classes, or  Masters students?  As an example, why couldn't the Sports Admin program help facilitate the Hall of Fame upgrades?  Shoot, I'd be a consultant on a fun project like that!


This to me sounds like the best way to do it!  

There are some similar veins in this story, especially about what Butch Jones did while coaching at CMU (it's about halfway down the article): http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8030641/so...



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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:28 AM
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Four or five years have passed and we've seen none of this except the nice banners/graphics at Peden.


And now we have only paper cup option, and don't have "split the pot"................

I don't understand why we don't have better program offer. Put together a nice, full of history/stats program, and insert the game day flyer we produce now. Only the new game day insert needs produced and copied each game. Sell the same 'flyer" we do now for $1, and offer the full program w/the flyer for $10 to $20. Is this just too..........."Well, Duh"?


It's a flat out money loser.


Only if you fail to sell sufficient ad space.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:50 AM
and how big is that sales team we would have selling those ads? Which if it's even double what it was when I was last there years and years ago, it's still a money loser.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 10:14 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Four or five years have passed and we've seen none of this except the nice banners/graphics at Peden.


And now we have only paper cup option, and don't have "split the pot"................

I don't understand why we don't have better program offer. Put together a nice, full of history/stats program, and insert the game day flyer we produce now. Only the new game day insert needs produced and copied each game. Sell the same 'flyer" we do now for $1, and offer the full program w/the flyer for $10 to $20. Is this just too..........."Well, Duh"?


It's a flat out money loser.


Only if you fail to sell sufficient ad space.


BINGO! Back at ya Al.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:22 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
It's been said before, but why not turn some of these needs into student projects for senior level classes, or  Masters students?  As an example, why couldn't the Sports Admin program help facilitate the Hall of Fame upgrades?  Shoot, I'd be a consultant on a fun project like that!


Finding ideas is easy. It's the brick and mortar that costs the $$$. That's what we don't have. Or, at the very least, it's not where we're prioritizing to spend the money.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:39 PM
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and how big is that sales team we would have selling those ads? Which if it's even double what it was when I was last there years and years ago, it's still a money loser.


Bigger staff does not necessarily equate to better. Not a dis on your personal experience reference - but we do have a pretty good opportunity to offer these days. If it was "years and years" ago - I would think production costs likely also have better potential effeciencies as well. Effective "Selling" at the venue would also be important.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 12:08 AM
While were talking about ads, a quick lesson about how sponsorship sales are done at OU (and apparently most other D1 schools)...

Sponsorship sales are completely outsourced to IMG (hence the name of the radio network). How this work is IMG pays OU a guaranteed amount of money per year...I've been told it's about $500,000...for the "rights" to sell our sponsorships. Their goal, obviously, is to exceed this amount in sponsorship sales. If they sell $1,000,000 in sponsorships, they keep all the profits. On the other hand, if they sell $100,000....we still get the $500,000. It's a risk-reward sort of thing.

You literally sell your soul to IMG. In many ways, they own us. If they don't feel like selling ads for a program, they don't have to. They don't answer to Jim Schaus or Ohio University - they answer to some corporate suits in who-knows-where.Their only goal is to make $$$, and they don't have the athletic department's best interests in mind.

Wonder why we have so many sponsored promotions and about 500 PA announcements per game? A joke of a game program? Coupon drops and Lava Cake? This is your answer. They essentially tell the athletic department staff what they have to do. It's the tail wagging the dog.

If you talk to folks in the athletic department that work closely with IMG, they are generally not fans of it. But, it sounds like it's the way of the world for 99.9% of schools. The major perks are the guaranteed $$$ and the chance to get big national companies (Allstate, UPS, Taco Bell, etc.) that regularly would overlook schools like us.

So, in brief...this may be a major reason why there is no quality program like most of us want. IMG has something like a 10 year deal with OU, so it's not going away, either. I was certainly quite surprised when I learned that this is how everything works with sponsorships - but I'm also a little less critical of everything that goes on knowing that this is the background to it.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 12:49 AM
Funnily, I looked into IMG some time ago after noticing their building in Cleveland when I was in town for the MAC Tournament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMG_%28company%29

When they bought ISP, who held our rights, they kept their facility for the college stuff, so those suits are in Winston-Salem (and they have quite a portfolio of schools -- a large factor in why so many of those promotions like the animated court-street race seem eerily similar to ones you see customized at other schools). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMG_College
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Posted: 1/10/2013 8:33 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Four or five years have passed and we've seen none of this except the nice banners/graphics at Peden.


And now we have only paper cup option, and don't have "split the pot"................

I don't understand why we don't have better program offer. Put together a nice, full of history/stats program, and insert the game day flyer we produce now. Only the new game day insert needs produced and copied each game. Sell the same 'flyer" we do now for $1, and offer the full program w/the flyer for $10 to $20. Is this just too..........."Well, Duh"?


It's a flat out money loser.


Only if you fail to sell sufficient ad space.


Programs are a thing of the past!  Nearly every college basketball and football program is transitioning to online media guides and programs because the print version is a money loser.  He takes a ton of human resources to put the stuff together and it loses money on sales and advertising revenue.  The "Well, Duh" part is not doing programs because the time and money it destroys in an athletic department with limited man power and limited budgets.   
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Posted: 1/10/2013 8:52 AM
I truly believe a couple cans of green paint could go a long way.  I would paint the bathrooms for free, and I'm pretty sure I could find a crew of people willing to help me.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:52 AM
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I truly believe a couple cans of green paint could go a long way.  I would paint the bathrooms for free, and I'm pretty sure I could find a crew of people willing to help me.


For the cost of putting me up somewhere down there, I'd take a weekend in Athens and come join on this project.  I've been complaining about blue men's rooms for a long time.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:57 AM
Hell count me in, I'll paint walls.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 2:27 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
I truly believe a couple cans of green paint could go a long way.  I would paint the bathrooms for free, and I'm pretty sure I could find a crew of people willing to help me.


Too bad the union (AFSCME if i recall correctly) would probably break your kneecaps for your good deed.

EDIT: fixed a typo
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Posted: 1/10/2013 2:39 PM
I don't know ... the powers-that-be did away with the university's paint shop years ago. I think painting jobs all get contracted out now.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 11:01 PM
mf279801 wrote:expand_more
Too bad the union (AFSCME if i recall correctly) would probably break your kneecaps for your good deed.

EDIT: fixed a typo



that thought crossed my mind.

I just read a few articles on folks volunteering a lot of work, engineering and architecture on a couple of projects including this one.. where everyone from  the construction supers and project managers down to laborers were donating their time
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