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Posted: 1/4/2013 12:45 PM
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My perception in recent years is that the interest in our club team has declined.


If true, that makes me sad. Friday & Saturday night hockey was always a good time, especially prior to turning 21. I remember taking my neighbor's girlfriend to her first hockey game freshman year (2001), versus WVU. The best hockey fight ever happened that night. 10 guys on the ice in five separate fights. The goalies are at their separate ends, they look at each other, shrug, and head to center ice. 20 minutes later, they finally get the equipment sorted out, and the ejected players take a lap to a standing ovation.

I always wanted to join Gang Green to get a t-shirt, too. But I was cheap and decided I'd rather have gas/beer money.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 1:27 PM
I always enjoyed volunteering for hockey. Got to do some cool stuff (goal judge, penalty box).
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Posted: 1/10/2013 12:56 AM
NIU beat Miami
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Posted: 1/10/2013 1:32 AM
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NIU beat Miami


In front of an announced crowd of 907.

And to think, some Miami fans thought they had it bad with Charlie Coles! IMO, they are a program headed straight in the wrong direction.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 2:36 AM
Hockey games were a blast back in the 90s. It was like going to a cock fight in Tijuana, it had a real underground feel to it and the players and the fans were way rowdy. Saw a chick right in front of me get beamed in the noggin with a flying puck, it was awesome.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:14 AM
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NIU beat Miami


In front of an announced crowd of 907.

And to think, some Miami fans thought they had it bad with Charlie Coles! IMO, they are a program headed straight in the wrong direction.


Seems like they have already arrived at rock bottom.  No fans in the community.  Alarming student apathy.  Etc.

Unfortunately, most of the MAC is right there with them.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:35 AM
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Hockey games were a blast back in the 90s. It was like going to a cock fight in Tijuana, it had a real underground feel to it and the players and the fans were way rowdy. Saw a chick right in front of me get beamed in the noggin with a flying puck, it was awesome.




"It was like going to a cock fight in Tijuana"

I will nominate that as the quote of the day!
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:07 AM
Our lowest attendance at home is only surpassed from only one MAC team and that was BGSU Vs. Michigan State. If Butler, Dayton, and Xavier don't leave the A-10, I say we should heavily consider moving basketball conferences. The only thing that  benefits for our team is the low travel cost and having the MAC tournament in Cleveland. The good thing about joining the A-10 would be a better chance to make the NCAA tournament without having to win the conference, in general better games, better attendance, have prominent rivals with Dayton, Xavier, Duquesne, and Butler while still scheduling non-conference games against MIami and Marshall, and more money for the team. With out average attendance at around 6,000 we would be about 5th in the conference. 
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:54 AM
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Our lowest attendance at home is only surpassed from only one MAC team and that was BGSU Vs. Michigan State. If Butler, Dayton, and Xavier don't leave the A-10, I say we should heavily consider moving basketball conferences. The only thing that  benefits for our team is the low travel cost and having the MAC tournament in Cleveland. The good thing about joining the A-10 would be a better chance to make the NCAA tournament without having to win the conference, in general better games, better attendance, have prominent rivals with Dayton, Xavier, Duquesne, and Butler while still scheduling non-conference games against MIami and Marshall, and more money for the team. With out average attendance at around 6,000 we would be about 5th in the conference. 


I see a lot of merit in your argument.  
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Posted: 1/10/2013 11:14 AM
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Our lowest attendance at home is only surpassed from only one MAC team and that was BGSU Vs. Michigan State. If Butler, Dayton, and Xavier don't leave the A-10, I say we should heavily consider moving basketball conferences. The only thing that  benefits for our team is the low travel cost and having the MAC tournament in Cleveland. The good thing about joining the A-10 would be a better chance to make the NCAA tournament without having to win the conference, in general better games, better attendance, have prominent rivals with Dayton, Xavier, Duquesne, and Butler while still scheduling non-conference games against MIami and Marshall, and more money for the team. With out average attendance at around 6,000 we would be about 5th in the conference. 


Maybe.  But, Football > Basketball. 
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Posted: 1/10/2013 12:30 PM
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Maybe.  But, Football > Basketball. 


I am not sure what this means.


Do not want to take anything out of context ....I just am really not sure what this means.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 12:32 PM
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Maybe.  But, Football > Basketball. 


I am not sure what this means.


Do not want to take anything out of context ....I just am really not sure what this means.



Before adding any of my own commentary, I'd be curious to know what was meant by this as well.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 12:51 PM
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Hockey games were a blast back in the 90s. It was like going to a cock fight in Tijuana, it had a real underground feel to it and the players and the fans were way rowdy. Saw a chick right in front of me get beamed in the noggin with a flying puck, it was awesome.


"It was like going to a cock fight in Tijuana"

I will nominate that as the quote of the day!


Ohio Hockey games in the 80's were like a scene out of Slapshot. 
This was before Bird had plexiglass windows around the ice.
Chain link fence above the boards.  It was like a WWE cage match . 
The fans sat close enough to rattle the fence when the visiting team skated onto the ice.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 2:28 PM
I don't know if it would be possible but we would be a full-time member in the MAC and only a basketball member in A-10. A-10 doesn't regulate football and most teams that play in the A-10 don't even have football. I'm only suggesting for us to leave MAC as MAC isn't really known for our basketball.

Here's some stats I found:
2011-2012 attendance

86th in attendance out of all D1 schools at 6,177 average per home game. 

A-10 top 6 schools:
Conference Ranking 9th 5,556 

Dayton - 28th in Nation 12,154
Xavier - 39th 10,155
Temple - 58th 8,165
St. Louis - 66th 7,757
VCU - 70th - 7,622
Butler (wasn't A-10) 78th 6,599
UNC-Charlotte - 89th 6,001

With an anticipated A-10 schedule I could see our average increase from 6,177 to 7,200-7,400 and be ranked 71-73. Maybe even more? Who knows? 

MAC top 6 schools: were the only one ranked in top 100. 
Conference Rankikng MAC - 16th 2,973

Ohio - 86th 6,177
Akron 3,440
Ball State 3,724
BG -2,157
Buffalo 2,684
Central Michigan 1,362
Eastern Michigan 1,200
Kent State 3,475
Miami 1,797
NIU 996
Toledo 3,770
Western Michigan 2,745

We dominate our conference in average attendance. With a 13,080 seat arena, and moving into A-10 I could see us easily seating 10,000 fans playing Butler, Xavier, Dayton, or VCU on a Saturday or Friday Night. Plus still playing Miami and Marshall we can still have over 7,000 people show up for that. 

Moving into A-10 would increase revenue, t.v. exposure, better chance of making it into the tournament, more fans showing up, and just overall a great basketball conference. 

If we were to move it would make it a 15 team conference. If they had George Mason come also, it would make a 16 team basketball conference. George Mason averages 5,161 fans in a 10,000 seat stadium which would be perfect. 

Those are just my thoughts. Move to A-10 better overall conference and more exposure for Ohio. If people say travel in a concern, Butler, Dayton, Xavier, and Duquesne are within a 4 hour drive and service Indy, Cincinnati, Dayton, and Pittsburgh International airports. La Salle, Temple, and Saint Joesph are within a 8 hour drive and Philadelphia International Airport. Richmond and VCU are within 20 minutes of Richmond International. George Mason and George Washington are within an hour of Ronald Regan International. UNC Charlotte is 40 minutes from Charlotte, Fordham is within 20 minutes of La Guardia, and St. Louis like 10 minutes away from its airport.

Travel shouldn't be an issue at all in the A-10. The only schools "out their" are St. Bonnie, UMASS, and Rhode Island. 

Source for attendance:  http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/pdfs/2012...

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Posted: 1/10/2013 2:35 PM
We would have to leave the MAC to join the A-10. If a conference sponsors FBS football and basketball, a school can't be in the conference for only one of those sports.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 2:37 PM
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We would have to leave the MAC to join the A-10. If a conference sponsors FBS football and basketball, a school can't be in the conference for only one of those sports.


Notre Dame, Air Force, UMASS
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Posted: 1/10/2013 2:57 PM
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We would have to leave the MAC to join the A-10. If a conference sponsors FBS football and basketball, a school can't be in the conference for only one of those sports.


Notre Dame, Air Force, UMASS


What?  A-10 has no FBS football, Air Force is in the Mountain West for both, and Notre Dame's football is not in a conference.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 3:11 PM
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We would have to leave the MAC to join the A-10. If a conference sponsors FBS football and basketball, a school can't be in the conference for only one of those sports.


Notre Dame, Air Force, UMASS


What?  A-10 has no FBS football, Air Force is in the Mountain West for both, and Notre Dame's football is not in a conference.


Well I didn't know about Air force, and I used Notre Dame as an example even though they don't have a conference for football. Yea I don't see how we can't be in A-10 for just basketball and MAC for everything else. 
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Posted: 1/10/2013 3:17 PM
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My perception in recent years is that the interest in our club team has declined.


If true, that makes me sad. Friday & Saturday night hockey was always a good time, especially prior to turning 21. I remember taking my neighbor's girlfriend to her first hockey game freshman year (2001), versus WVU. The best hockey fight ever happened that night. 10 guys on the ice in five separate fights. The goalies are at their separate ends, they look at each other, shrug, and head to center ice. 20 minutes later, they finally get the equipment sorted out, and the ejected players take a lap to a standing ovation.

I always wanted to join Gang Green to get a t-shirt, too. But I was cheap and decided I'd rather have gas/beer money.


That was one of the most fun nights from college. Who's girlfriend was there with us? Kieths?
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Posted: 1/10/2013 4:09 PM
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We would have to leave the MAC to join the A-10. If a conference sponsors FBS football and basketball, a school can't be in the conference for only one of those sports.


Notre Dame, Air Force, UMASS


What?  A-10 has no FBS football, Air Force is in the Mountain West for both, and Notre Dame's football is not in a conference.


Well I didn't know about Air force, and I used Notre Dame as an example even though they don't have a conference for football. Yea I don't see how we can't be in A-10 for just basketball and MAC for everything else. 


Notre Dame still follows the rule because they're only in one conference. If a conference sponsors FBS football, you can't be in another conference for other sports. You can go independent.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 5:19 PM
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That was one of the most fun nights from college. Who's girlfriend was there with us? Kieths?


Yeah, the one from Ireland.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 4:00 PM
why don't you want to kick redhawk when they're edown?
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Posted: 1/11/2013 4:34 PM
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why don't you want to kick redhawk when they're edown?


Exactly. I think this sort of activity is encouraged!
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Posted: 1/11/2013 6:12 PM
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We would have to leave the MAC to join the A-10. If a conference sponsors FBS football and basketball, a school can't be in the conference for only one of those sports.


Notre Dame, Air Force, UMASS


What?  A-10 has no FBS football, Air Force is in the Mountain West for both, and Notre Dame's football is not in a conference.


Well I didn't know about Air force, and I used Notre Dame as an example even though they don't have a conference for football. Yea I don't see how we can't be in A-10 for just basketball and MAC for everything else. 


Notre Dame still follows the rule because they're only in one conference. If a conference sponsors FBS football, you can't be in another conference for other sports. You can go independent.


What am I missing here?  Our friends from UCF, Temple and now UMass joined the MAC for football only and maintained their basketball affiliation in another league.  
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Posted: 1/11/2013 6:59 PM
you can only do it for football, and only if your current conference does not offer 1-a or FBS football.
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