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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:36 PM
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The suspect, described as a black male about 6' 1" or 6' 6" tall in his 30's, reportedly fled the scene wearing a blue headed sweatshirt, and was last spotted headed in the direction of the Stocker Center/Oxbow Trail area.


He was either average height, or really tall, but we won't leave any room for variances!


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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:39 PM
"Now I'm between 6' 1" and 6' 6" depending on which convenient store I'm leaving."  -Ron White
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:40 PM
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We've had a lot of calls from people who matched the description we provided


Glad I wasn't the only one who got a chuckle at that.

This whole thing is rather Barney Fife-esq. $5 robberies, heights ranging from 6 feet to 6'6...there's a lot of folks laughing at us today. Maybe Lou Holtz was right?
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:40 PM
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I'm confused. Lockdown @ 12:05. Then bars open early to accomodate. Bars were open long before 12:05.

Do other campuses bars not open at 10 or earlier on Weds? I really dont know. I thought a bar opening at 10 am was late.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:48 PM
I'm over-reacting to the over reacting because I had Monroes tickets and have a baby due 2/17. Probably the last time I was going to see these seniors play. Oh well. The last 2 were the 2012 MACC and Portland. Good memories.

Totally selfish, but I feel the desire to b*tch.
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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:56 PM
It seems to me that there are two possibilities here: 1. We experienced the biggest overreaction in the history of overreactions (he says with a tad of hyperbole), or 2. McDavis and company know something about this situation that we don't know and that hasn't been made public.  For the moment, I'll give the administration the benefit of the doubt; however, it there isn't more to the story than we already know I reserve the right to criticize these actions of closing down the school and postponing the game.  

I'm puzzled by the fact that in the first story I read about this (Messenger breaking news email, I think it was), the perp was described by the woman as having a "hand gun."  A more recent WOUB story quotes her as saying that the gun was a "semi automatic."  Now, most hand guns are technically semi automatic weapons, but that term conjures up images of machine guns and the like.  I wonder what the victim actually said.    
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:17 AM
"Semi automatic", "Assault", et al - terminology that vast majority of the public have no clue what they mean, or don't mean, including most "reporters"........but they sure sound scary........and catchy pop news grist..........

If she said he had a single shot pistol think they would have done anything different today? (Like he woulda been flashing a Flintlock - holding it sideways to look real bad. Did he have a cape on that hoodie? Was he wearin' musketeer boots? Pirates are known to go for days w/o a shower or dip into the drink....................)
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:24 AM
The ESPN article comment section would drive Grammar Nazis up a wall.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:28 AM
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"Semi automatic", "Assault", et al - terminology that vast majority of the public have no clue what they mean, or don't mean, including most "reporters"........but they sure sound scary........and catchy pop news grist..........

If she said he had a single shot pistol think they would have done anything different today? (Like he woulda been flashing a Flintlock - holding it sideways to look real bad. Did he have a cape on that hoodie? Was he wearin' musketeer boots? Pirates are known to go for days w/o a shower or dip into the drink....................)


I find that mental image far more humorous than it should be.

It is strange to listen to people talk about how gun obsessed America is, but it does seem like most of the public freaks out when a handgun is called a "semi-automatic."
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Posted: 1/31/2013 7:59 AM
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Funny comment

"No shots fired, just shots taken"
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:18 AM
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I'm confused. Lockdown @ 12:05. Then bars open early to accomodate. Bars were open long before 12:05.

Do other campuses bars not open at 10 or earlier on Weds? I really dont know. I thought a bar opening at 10 am was late.
During the week, the only bars that are open during lunch hours are The Pub and Broneys (the ones that serve food). 
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:20 AM
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 Did OU over react? maybe. Are some people on here over reacting about OU over reacting? definitely.


There's no maybe about it.  This was a complete overreaction to Sandy Hook and Virginia Tech.  If you take two seconds to review the situations you realize that they aren't remotely similar to the events in Athens yesterday. Spree killers don't rob someone at gunpoint and let them live.  If the guy had shot the guy he robbed then maybe I could understand.  And then to close classes an hour after the police are no longer actively looking for the guy is absurd.  This was some administrator trying to make his or her mark.   I don't even care about the game being cancelled. I just hate seeing blatent stupidity tied to my school.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:29 AM
So, for those upset, here's the conversation you think should have happened:

Parent of Student:  My daughter just told me a man with a gun ran to West Green, where her dorm is, what is happening?  Has he been caught?  Is my daughter safe?

University:  He has not been caught. But...

Parent of Student:  What are you doing about this?!

University:  We have some police officers in that area securing campus.  But, you know, this is life.  Criminals with guns run onto Ohio University's campus.  So you just need to get over it. 

Parent of Student:  That is unacceptable!  You are saying to just get over that a man with a gun was seen running onto campus after robbing someone and that is life?!  You expect me to keep my daughter enrolled there?!

University:  Yeah, uh, whatever lady.  We gotta go prepare for a basketball game in a few hours.  Buh-Bye.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:37 AM
Has anyone ever thought this could all be a hoax, Te'o style?  I mean really - anyone could say they were robbed of $5 at gunpoint and in today's environment the whole city would crumble.  Today it did!  I'm not saying it didn't happen but would not be at all surprised if it didn't either!
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:08 AM
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So, for those upset, here's the conversation you think should have happened:

Parent of Student:  My daughter just told me a man with a gun ran to West Green, where her dorm is, what is happening?  Has he been caught?  Is my daughter safe?

University:  He has not been caught. But...

Parent of Student:  What are you doing about this?!

University:  We have some police officers in that area securing campus.  But, you know, this is life.  Criminals with guns run onto Ohio University's campus.  So you just need to get over it. 

Parent of Student:  That is unacceptable!  You are saying to just get over that a man with a gun was seen running onto campus after robbing someone and that is life?!  You expect me to keep my daughter enrolled there?!

University:  Yeah, uh, whatever lady.  We gotta go prepare for a basketball game in a few hours.  Buh-Bye.


University: What's your daughter's name? We need to have a talk with her about not saying stuff to her bat-shit-crazy-mother to get her riled up.


But seriously, nothing pisses me off more than ignorant gasbags spouting on about how a semi-automatic is basically a machine gun. Idiots.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:11 AM
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So, for those upset, here's the conversation you think should have happened:

Parent of Student:  My daughter just told me a man with a gun ran to West Green, where her dorm is, what is happening?  Has he been caught?  Is my daughter safe?

University:  He has not been caught. But...

Parent of Student:  What are you doing about this?!

University:  We have some police officers in that area securing campus.  But, you know, this is life.  Criminals with guns run onto Ohio University's campus.  So you just need to get over it. 

Parent of Student:  That is unacceptable!  You are saying to just get over that a man with a gun was seen running onto campus after robbing someone and that is life?!  You expect me to keep my daughter enrolled there?!

University:  Yeah, uh, whatever lady.  We gotta go prepare for a basketball game in a few hours.  Buh-Bye.


   Today's Messenger has a eerily similar scenario concerning a Cleveland student's Mom calling and voicing her concerns.
Stay tuned for the lawsuit.
Last Edited: 1/31/2013 10:12:15 AM by oldkatz
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:40 AM
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I am just curious has Loyola of Chicago, St John's or Columbia in NYC, Georgia Tech in Atlanta, USC or UCLA in Los Angeles, among a plethora of college campuses located within large urban areas ever cancelled a game because an armed perpetrator may or may not be in the area? I don't recall ever hearing of such a thing.


I'm sure these schools haven't. But I think we have to consider that Athens is a much different setting. Was it an overreaction? Probably. But these sort of things simply don't happen at OU. It's easy to see how panic could set in quickly.

Being around Athens today, it occurred to me the university administration was caught fully off-guard and does not have a plan for these situations. It makes me fearful for whenever their might be a real issue involving a gunman. The OUPD, APD and senior OU administrators do not know how to handle these sort of things - if only because they don't expect or have any experience with them.


"simply don't happen" ?  Unfortunately that isn't the case.  Terris Ross was shot and killed in the University Commons parking lot in 2003 and the shooter was never found.  I don't remember any lockdown/cancellation after that incident, MURDER, although I believe it did happen during the evening hours and UC is not right next to campus.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:41 AM
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So, for those upset, here's the conversation you think should have happened:

Parent of Student:  My daughter just told me a man with a gun ran to West Green, where her dorm is, what is happening?  Has he been caught?  Is my daughter safe?

University:  He has not been caught. But...

Parent of Student:  What are you doing about this?!

University:  We have some police officers in that area securing campus.  But, you know, this is life.  Criminals with guns run onto Ohio University's campus.  So you just need to get over it. 

Parent of Student:  That is unacceptable!  You are saying to just get over that a man with a gun was seen running onto campus after robbing someone and that is life?!  You expect me to keep my daughter enrolled there?!

University:  Yeah, uh, whatever lady.  We gotta go prepare for a basketball game in a few hours.  Buh-Bye.


Again, who cares about the basketball game.  Once the campus is closed then it was done.   The real question is if this was such a scary situation why didn't they secure the campus earlier?   And if it's such a scary situation why didn't they close the campus and make people shelter in place?  Instead they closed the university and people went about their business.  The response didn't solve a thing. It didn't keep people out of harms way.  

The answer to your questions above are:

"Yes, there was a gunman loose in the area but we have searched and determined that he is no longer in the area.  No shots have been fired so while it was a scary situation, experience has taught us that this is no longer an imminently dangerous situation.  We will keep our personnel on high alert but there is every reason to believe that this individual is out of the immediate area at this point since no one has reported sighting any individuals meeting that description since early this morning.  We will do everything in our power to find this individual and bring him to justice."

As for your response about "this is life".   It is life.  An unfortunate part of life but life just the same.  And what the university did  yesterday didn't alter a single thing about what happened yesterday. All it was was them doing something just for the sake of them appearing to do something responsible.  And I'm just wondering but since they haven't caught the guy why is today any safer than yesterday?  I mean, there's a gunman on the loose!!!!  How will my daughter ever survive?
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:11 AM
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.....And I'm just wondering but since they haven't caught the guy why is today any safer than yesterday?  I mean, there's a gunman on the loose!!!!  How will my daughter ever survive?


New response:  Have her enroll in the Univeristy of Phoenix and move back in to your house. 

Look, if I was in charge of the world, I woulda re-opened campus within 3-4 hours.  But, I ain't.  So, now I'm having a little fun with some of the reactions on here.


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Today's Messenger has a eerily similar scenario concerning a Cleveland student's Mom calling and voicing her concerns. Stay tuned for the lawsuit.


No kidding about a law suit, eh?  Man, Americans are getting pathetic....
Last Edited: 1/31/2013 11:13:54 AM by Ohio69
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:36 AM
As an employee, I had these observations.

1) The safest place for me (I felt no danger, period, by the way) is probably not outside of my locked office where the bad man is likely to be, on my trek to my vehicle.

2) As I was sitting in traffic by the Convo, I realized if a bad guy in a car ever wanted to blend in and slip out of town, it's probably now among the other 300 cars on Shafer.

3) It was nice that my college emailed me almost immediately.  My email from the president's office informing me of the cancellation hit my inbox at 3:03PM.  I was home before 1:00PM.  Thanks for the heads up, Rod!  And,

4) Yes, this was a massive overreaction.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 11:44 AM
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I am just curious has Loyola of Chicago, St John's or Columbia in NYC, Georgia Tech in Atlanta, USC or UCLA in Los Angeles, among a plethora of college campuses located within large urban areas ever cancelled a game because an armed perpetrator may or may not be in the area? I don't recall ever hearing of such a thing.


I'm sure these schools haven't. But I think we have to consider that Athens is a much different setting. Was it an overreaction? Probably. But these sort of things simply don't happen at OU. It's easy to see how panic could set in quickly.

Being around Athens today, it occurred to me the university administration was caught fully off-guard and does not have a plan for these situations. It makes me fearful for whenever their might be a real issue involving a gunman. The OUPD, APD and senior OU administrators do not know how to handle these sort of things - if only because they don't expect or have any experience with them.


"simply don't happen" ?  Unfortunately that isn't the case.  Terris Ross was shot and killed in the University Commons parking lot in 2003 and the shooter was never found.  I don't remember any lockdown/cancellation after that incident, MURDER, although I believe it did happen during the evening hours and UC is not right next to campus.


Happened in the early morning hours, my daughter was living in the Commons at that time.  As I've always been told from some old acquentences in the legal field there in Athens they knew who committed that crime but he girlfriend, and the person in the car with Mr. Ross refused to cooperate. 
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Posted: 1/31/2013 12:14 PM
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No kidding about a law suit, eh?  Man, Americans are getting pathetic....


One of my patients just said....".yeah. Pathetic that they don't start shooting the lawyers...."
 
WHy is it that the first thing on everyone's mind these days is less about the event and the situations that arise from them and more about the legal ramifications? is the law now,  and the fallout from an event bigger than the humanity of the situation?

Just getting back from abroad I am really questioning our legal system and what it has become. WOnder how productive americans would be if the legal system was not such a drain in everything we do. Still the greatest country in the world but we have lawyers running congress, influencing our every action and giving criminals more rights and leeway than victims. Crime and no punishment.

It is a sad day when a petty burglar has a whole town held hostage from the prexies office down to the AD. I am all for making sure everyone is safe and sound but that threat of a lawsuit driving policy begins with the legal system tthat is keeping america gagged and tied down...... Perhaps the only ones showing any degeree of  human sense were the folks who clearly analyzed the threat and figured it out early

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Posted: 1/31/2013 1:20 PM
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I say we keep pointing the fingers at the administrators when we don't know what information they possesed and time constraints they had to make the decisions. In every situation, fingers must be pointed and scapegoats for unfortunate situations must be found. If no one can be found to blame, let's blame all Americans for their lack of character and/or moral fiber.

-The 21st Century Handbook to Life


Oh please - If there was any more to this situation, we would've heard about it by now...why wouldn't the university justify their decision more if they could?  A full 3 hours after the incident, they knew very well that it was a guy with a gun that got $5 and ran and could not be found and hadn't been seen yet.  That was their information, nothing more nothing less. 

OUV is spot on, forget the basketball game and ruined plans - It's just blatent stupidity.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 2:32 PM
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I say we keep pointing the fingers at the administrators when we don't know what information they possesed and time constraints they had to make the decisions. In every situation, fingers must be pointed and scapegoats for unfortunate situations must be found. If no one can be found to blame, let's blame all Americans for their lack of character and/or moral fiber.

-The 21st Century Handbook to Life


Oh please - If there was any more to this situation, we would've heard about it by now...why wouldn't the university justify their decision more if they could?  A full 3 hours after the incident, they knew very well that it was a guy with a gun that got $5 and ran and could not be found and hadn't been seen yet.  That was their information, nothing more nothing less. 

OUV is spot on, forget the basketball game and ruined plans - It's just blatent stupidity.


It clearly could have been handled better, and I hope they learned some valuable lessons this time, but I hardly think there were obvious choices when the call was made. I also don’t think the school was thinking first about lawsuits. There’s no reason to doubt McDavis’ statement about the intentions of the shutdown. The way it played out made it look stupid and overblown (and I hope they’ll never evacuate the campus at the same time ever again) but doing nothing after an armed man is seen running onto a campus is simply not a viable option.

I hope the school responds better if something like this happens in the future, but Brian is right about all the armchair second-guessers in here.

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Posted: 1/31/2013 5:23 PM
On the bright side, "fugitive fest" should keep us in the Top 10 in party schools, for both the AP and coaches polls.
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