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Posted: 2/9/2013 8:10 PM
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Here's an Ivo story some of you newer posters may not know and some of you older ones may have forgotten. I can't remember if it was his freshmen or sophomore year or who we were playing but it was a Saturday and probably Dad's weekend because Ivo's father was in the house sitting on the upper edge of the student section. Ivo was having one of those praise worthy days and his dad was all smiles and even slapping an occasional high five with those around him. The smile on his face told the whole story - here was a young man, his son, who was living his dream. Whose dream? Probably his father's in that the son was getting an education at a great school and probably the son's because in addition to getting that great education he was continuing to play a game that he loves. What's the point? It's a game and these guys are kids so let it go at that unless you are man/woman enough to publicly criticize them.
Post of the FREAKING YEAR, his father barely speaks English, the kid is a great Bobcat, and because he does not fit the stereotype some of you have for a 6'9 player you shit on him.

Of the 800+ players who have worn the Green and White, how many have scored more points than IVO? How many have more rebounds than IVO? How many have higher career shooting %? How many have all 3????? Thank you IVO, you are a great Bobcat!!!!
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Posted: 2/9/2013 11:21 PM
He will either play more or less minutes through the rest of the season based how productive his minutes are that he gets. JC has it figured out. I see TJ getting more. It's up to Ivo.................
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Posted: 2/9/2013 11:48 PM
Ivo has had a few problems this year at times, but who can forget the key role he played last year in our tournament run?  Without Ivo we are probably one and done at best.  I'm still a great Ivo fan and always will be.  That young man has real class both on and off the court.   I didn't know what BTC said about his father, but it doesn't surprise me.  I always thought that he came from an immigrant family that was not too long "off the boat."  All the more to like about a young man who is making a name for himself as his family adjust to life in a new country.  Though I know none of the details, I feel sure that Ivo has a compelling life story.  He's a credit to OHIO.
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Posted: 2/10/2013 1:19 AM
We need a confident Ivo to make any serious run.....I hope we find a way to make that happen.

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Posted: 2/10/2013 10:10 AM
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We need a confident Ivo to make any serious run.....I hope we find a way to make that happen.


Having people stop crapping on him would help.  He may be 6-9 but he also gives up 20 to 30 pounds to most of the bigs in the league.  And his stats this year aren't much different from last year:

                Pts    Rebs  TOs  Assts  FGA/ M/ %     FTA/ M/ %      Stls  Blocks 
11-12      8.7    5.0       1.9     1.5     7.9/ 3.7/ 47   2.3/ 1.2/ 51    0.9    0.4
12-13      8.2    5.3       2.2     2.4     7.3/ 3.8/ 52   0.4/ 0.2/ 50    1.3    0.7

Some things are a bit better, some a bit worse.  He's down a half-point a game but more than makes up for it by being up almost an assist a game, giving the team an extra two points a game.  The FTs are an issue, but it's an issue for the whole team, largely because we're not getting as many shooting fouls before getting in the bonus as we're giving up.  Overall, he's having about the same year this year as last.  The confidence will likely return if people just lay off him and give him a break.
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Posted: 2/10/2013 11:49 AM
I always wonder if our fans who are quick to criticize individual players in specific detail have themselves ever been subject to such blinding scrutiny. Some, I wonder whether they have ever actually played the games they seem to know so well.

I think its enough to say that Ivo has the potential to be a huge contirbutor down the stretch and I hope he takes advantage of the opportunity to close out a great career at Ohio.
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Posted: 2/10/2013 12:18 PM
Not to be a dick but if you guys can't understand why people criticize him, you're blind.

This is a MESSAGE BOARD where people discuss topics. (formulate their OWN opinions).

People criticize him (Not because he's not talented and puts up good stats) BUT because they think he has the talent to do much better and has never fully reached what he's capable of.

I'm fine with Ivo and I'm going to support him and the team. But those of you that are incapable of seeing why there is a valid discussion need to wake up.

If you think this is a big discussion on a player, go to boards at big time schools across the country and see what they say about players.
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Posted: 2/10/2013 12:27 PM
I recognize Baltic plays an important role on the team and I don't take anything away from his career. He's had a very good Bobcats career and they definitely wouldn't be as good without him.

I appreciate all of that but with that said, there are valid questions to be asked including:

-Why is TJ Hall now starting over him?
-Why as regular starter has he benched multiple times this season for different players?
-Why has his production gone down since his sophomore year (check those stats out! quite a bit better)
-Has he gone through any confidence issues? (lack of scoring at times, not taking as many shots)
-Why has Jim Christian seemed baffled of late, especially after the Akron game with Ivo's lack of productivity?

Those are just some questions I have.
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Posted: 2/10/2013 12:50 PM
Solid mid-major player.   Lucky to have him to add to the depth on our roster.

My guess is that most people who criticize people on these boards are damn lucky they don't have message boards for their places of employment or their classrooms where people could pick them apart.
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Posted: 2/10/2013 1:05 PM
Ugh--I hate posting this because it's the type of specific player criticism that I do not like at all.  But look at the aggressiveness or lack of same toward and at the rim, and the moves near the rim and in the post.  Stats aside, this is about eyeball test and uncapitalized upon opportunities.
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Posted: 2/10/2013 1:16 PM
Let's put this in prespective by looking at the guy's body of work.  Kind of hard to complain about the guys production.

Ivo Baltic - 7.7ppg, 1,018 career points, 4.7rpg, 1.2 apg

Tommy Freeman - 8.1ppg, 1,071 career points, 1.7 rpg, 1.0 apg
Sonny Troutman - 10.8ppg, 1272 career points, 3.3rpg, 3.5 apg
D. Washington - 8.2ppg, 1,061 career points, 4.2rpg, .6 apg
Reggie Keely - 7.5ppg, 984 career points, 4.6rpg, .6 apg
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Posted: 2/10/2013 1:32 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Let's put this in prespective by looking at the guy's body of work.  Kind of hard to complain about the guys production.

Ivo Baltic - 7.7ppg, 1,018 career points, 4.7rpg, 1.2 apg

Tommy Freeman - 8.1ppg, 1,071 career points, 1.7 rpg, 1.0 apg
Sonny Troutman - 10.8ppg, 1272 career points, 3.3rpg, 3.5 apg
D. Washington - 8.2ppg, 1,061 career points, 4.2rpg, .6 apg
Reggie Keely - 7.5ppg, 984 career points, 4.6rpg, .6 apg


His best shooting and rebounding year came as a Sophomore and some people are probably just disappointed that he never continued the improvement that he showed between his first and second year as a Bobcat. 


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Posted: 2/10/2013 1:58 PM
I blame the chick.
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Posted: 2/10/2013 2:19 PM
He's down about 3 pts a game and just under a reb a game from his soph year, and the scoring is mostly attributable to FTs -- he made 2.7/game two years ago; 0.2 this season.  It's not really a case of not capitalizing on opportunities; it's more the issue of him not going to the hoop like he used to.  But he also has 1.3 assists a game more this season than two years ago, so he's contributing in other ways.
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Posted: 2/10/2013 2:23 PM
He's down 3 a game, but this is a different team than 3 years ago, a team with more weapons and more production from the bench. Not to mention a more successful team.
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Posted: 2/10/2013 2:36 PM
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My guess is that most people who criticize people on these boards are damn lucky they don't have message boards for their places of employment or their classrooms where people could pick them apart.


I don't think you would pay club fees & tickets prices (rising annually) to watch me do my job, or do any significant travelling to do so, or buy apparel with my name on it (if so let me know - I'll send you a package of options to sign up for). There are A LOT of places where especially those in public roles (athletes, politicians, businessmen/companies, teachers, police, etc., etc.) are criticized. Just ask Prez McDavis. Or just watch ESPN shows critiquing teams/coaches/players. Or just watch MSNBC, FOX, CNBC, Bloomberg, Current, etc. doing it all day long. Or Google and an infinity of blogs/message boards/opinion sites about anything/anyone is just a click away......

Were the pretty loud jeers and groans from the crowd when he did not go up to the basket when he had the ball right underneath it yesterday out of bounds, "too picky"? Was the talking to he got from JC right after that on the bench out of bounds? Think any of that will get "picked apart" on film review?

Is it OK for Zipsnation to call Ivo soft? Is it OK for us to call Zeke Marshall a "cry baby"?

I don't see any "sh...ing on" Ivo on here. I see many just like me pointing out that his game has changed, and OUr opinion is that it is a relevant concern. Pretty clear to me JC has come to that conclusion as well. As I stated prior - "it's up to Ivo", and I hope he turns it around. I don't think there is a poster on here who does not want to see Ivo succeed and finish off his career w/more "highlights' than disappointments through the final stretch. 
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Posted: 2/10/2013 2:57 PM
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My guess is that most people who criticize people on these boards are damn lucky they don't have message boards for their places of employment or their classrooms where people could pick them apart.


I don't think you would pay club fees & tickets prices (rising annually) to watch me do my job, or do any significant travelling to do so, or buy apparel with my name on it (if so let me know - I'll send you a package of options to sign up for). There are A LOT of places where especially those in public roles (athletes, politicians, businessmen/companies, teachers, police, etc., etc.) are criticized. Just ask Prez McDavis. Or just watch ESPN shows critiquing teams/coaches/players. Or just watch MSNBC, FOX, CNBC, Bloomberg, Current, etc. doing it all day long. Or Google and an infinity of blogs/message boards/opinion sites about anything/anyone is just a click away......

Were the pretty loud jeers and groans from the crowd when he did not go up to the basket when he had the ball right underneath it yesterday out of bounds, "too picky"? Was the talking to he got from JC right after that on the bench out of bounds? Think any of that will get "picked apart" on film review?

Is it OK for Zipsnation to call Ivo soft? Is it OK for us to call Zeke Marshall a "cry baby"?

I don't see any "sh...ing on" Ivo on here. I see many just like me pointing out that his game has changed, and OUr opinion is that it is a relevant concern. Pretty clear to me JC has come to that conclusion as well. As I stated prior - "it's up to Ivo", and I hope he turns it around. I don't think there is a poster on here who does not want to see Ivo succeed and finish off his career w/more "highlights' than disappointments through the final stretch. 


That is pretty much the same exact way I feel about the conversation.
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Posted: 2/10/2013 6:12 PM
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If you think this is a big discussion on a player, go to boards at big time schools across the country and see what they say about players.


Or even BG. I give you the season-long Luke Kraus love-fest.
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Posted: 2/11/2013 8:26 AM

buffalobobcatfan wrote:expand_more
My guess is that most people who criticize people on these boards are damn lucky they don't have message boards for their places of employment or their classrooms where people could pick them apart.


I don't think you would pay club fees & tickets prices (rising annually) to watch me do my job, or do any significant travelling to do so, or buy apparel with my name on it (if so let me know - I'll send you a package of options to sign up for). There are A LOT of places where especially those in public roles (athletes, politicians, businessmen/companies, teachers, police, etc., etc.) are criticized. Just ask Prez McDavis. Or just watch ESPN shows critiquing teams/coaches/players. Or just watch MSNBC, FOX, CNBC, Bloomberg, Current, etc. doing it all day long. Or Google and an infinity of blogs/message boards/opinion sites about anything/anyone is just a click away......

Were the pretty loud jeers and groans from the crowd when he did not go up to the basket when he had the ball right underneath it yesterday out of bounds, "too picky"? Was the talking to he got from JC right after that on the bench out of bounds? Think any of that will get "picked apart" on film review?

Is it OK for Zipsnation to call Ivo soft? Is it OK for us to call Zeke Marshall a "cry baby"?

I don't see any "sh...ing on" Ivo on here. I see many just like me pointing out that his game has changed, and OUr opinion is that it is a relevant concern. Pretty clear to me JC has come to that conclusion as well. As I stated prior - "it's up to Ivo", and I hope he turns it around. I don't think there is a poster on here who does not want to see Ivo succeed and finish off his career w/more "highlights' than disappointments through the final stretch. 


That is pretty much the same exact way I feel about the conversation.

 

Me, too.  And for the record, I do get judged every year.  I do get analyzed and critiqued.  Sometimes harshly.  It's called evaluation, and it's not meant to tear you down, it's meant to show you areas where you can improve as well as your areas of strength.  It's about expecting progression out of you, not regression.  I prefaced what I wrote originally about Ivo with sentences like "I know he has valuable contributions in many statistical ways," " That's great and valuable and I completely admit he will be hard to replace next year," and "We need him going forward." I was not purely negative at all, merely voicing my concerns with what I see.  No player on this team or any team should be held above criticism.  This world isn't all rainbows and kittens like some make it out to be.  I want to see Ivo play better, play smarter, play confidently, and play to his potential.  We need that out of him if we're going anywhere in March besides the NIT.   

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Posted: 2/11/2013 10:41 AM
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I blame the chick.


I got a chuckle about this. Happens to everyone.  "Some people claim that there's a woman to blame..."
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Posted: 2/11/2013 4:57 PM
This thread is evidence to the reason why I almost never post and have relegated myself back to lurker.  Human nature is to critique and not find the positive in one's present position.

Case in point: the Celtics have won seven straight since Rajon Rondo went out for the season with an injury and the Bruins have their best ten game start ever, and yet all sports talk radio in Boston cares to discuss is how bad Rondo is for team chemistry and how miserable the Bruins power play is.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 9:21 PM
A very nice game tonight.  Went to the rack a lot tonight, and looked much more confident, in part because of CMU's smaller size.  He wound up with 8 pts for the third straight game, although it could easily have been 12 or more; one time he was fouled as he was backing to the hoop, tossed the ball over his head and it went in, although they said the foul was before the shot.  Needs work on FTs, but if he starts getting to the line more often, he should do better.  Liked the effort.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 9:26 PM
It's up to Ivo - liked what I saw tonight
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Posted: 2/13/2013 9:40 PM
Name 50 players in Ohio Bobcats 100 plus years of history better than Ivo Baltic.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ohio/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2012-13/misc_non_event/History_and_Records.pdf
*shows only players from 1947 to present

You can find every player ever for the Bobcats here. Can you find 50 better?
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Posted: 2/13/2013 9:52 PM
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You can find every player ever for the Bobcats here. Can you find 50 better?


No Bobcat has more wins.
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