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Posted: 10/17/2011 11:35 AM
The cheerleaders get beat up unfairly. They bring more to the table than they're given credit for.
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Posted: 10/17/2011 4:44 PM
The cheerleaders work very hard and not only have one "playing" season, but more like three.  They cheer football, men's AND women's basketball games.  They try to get the crowd cheering, but really much of the crowd is lame and refuse to cheer.  I for one cheer loud with them and people look at me like I am crazy....HELLO!! You are suppose to cheer with the "cheer leaders"!   The cheerleaders can only do so much and what they are permitted to do!  The cheerleaders workout with strength coaches twice a week, practice twice a week, and have football games once a week and many more during basketball season.  Also, do you realize all of the "extra" work they do as well....Like all of the PR, charity, and community work they and the mascot do?  Give them some CREDIT please!!  I personally view them as one of the most overworked, under-acknowledged programs at Ohio. 

The Bobcat Black seats are a great idea and I think it adds an awesome perspective/view of the game!  The cheerleaders, I am sure will more than likely have to  move to the end of the court and it will work well for all.

Now, Stand Up and Cheer! Go Bobcats!
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Posted: 10/17/2011 10:16 PM
mackenzierian wrote:expand_more
The cheerleaders work very hard and not only have one "playing" season, but more like three. They cheer football, men's AND women's basketball games. They try to get the crowd cheering, but really much of the crowd is lame and refuse to cheer. I for one cheer loud with them and people look at me like I am crazy....HELLO!! You are suppose to cheer with the "cheer leaders"! The cheerleaders can only do so much and what they are permitted to do! The cheerleaders workout with strength coaches twice a week, practice twice a week, and have football games once a week and many more during basketball season. Also, do you realize all of the "extra" work they do as well....Like all of the PR, charity, and community work they and the mascot do? Give them some CREDIT please!! I personally view them as one of the most overworked, under-acknowledged programs at Ohio.

The Bobcat Black seats are a great idea and I think it adds an awesome perspective/view of the game! The cheerleaders, I am sure will more than likely have to move to the end of the court and it will work well for all.

Now, Stand Up and Cheer! Go Bobcats!
The cheerleading squad is awesome per on court timeout routines, gymnastics in general - they are great, incredible. During game play not influential AT ALL - Much more impact strait from the Ozone (or band) - seems they more often prompt the squad than not. No real big issue - just that they do not to me add anything to the dynamic of the game - during game play - and have not for, to me anyway,......35 years?
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Posted: 10/17/2011 10:34 PM
You underestimate how many of the O Zone's chants the cheerleaders start.
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Posted: 10/18/2011 8:39 AM
Whilst sitting with Joe McKinley then later standing at the NOrth end of Peden for the football game this weekend I can attest to how hard working those cheerleaders are.....even when no one else is following along they are tireless working on getting people to respond and making pyramids and tumbling variations. THey are also engaged in the game knowing when to yell on third down and making appropriate cheers at the right time. I was particualrly impressed with the de facto leader (not sure she is the captain) Athena who was constantly moving from one situation to the other and keeping the cheers coming while keeping the others organized and always smiling. Not sure why they caught my eye that particular day as I am usually focused on the minutiae and execution of the athletes on the feild and overlook the surrounding auxilaries, but it was indeedd interesting to watch them work. Ohio can be proud of the current bunch wearing green and white on the sidelines.  

I suspect the same is true during basketball. THose girls and boys need room to work.
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Posted: 10/18/2011 5:01 PM
Look what you people did. This board is so much less interesting when borna and I agree.
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Posted: 10/18/2011 5:45 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Whilst sitting with Joe McKinley then later standing at the NOrth end of Peden for the football game this weekend I can attest to how hard working those cheerleaders are.....even when no one else is following along they are tireless working on getting people to respond and making pyramids and tumbling variations. THey are also engaged in the game knowing when to yell on third down and making appropriate cheers at the right time. I was particualrly impressed with the de facto leader (not sure she is the captain) Athena who was constantly moving from one situation to the other and keeping the cheers coming while keeping the others organized and always smiling. Not sure why they caught my eye that particular day as I am usually focused on the minutiae and execution of the athletes on the feild and overlook the surrounding auxilaries, but it was indeedd interesting to watch them work. Ohio can be proud of the current bunch wearing green and white on the sidelines.  

I suspect the same is true during basketball. THose girls and boys need room to work.


x 2.

My football seats are in Section 2 and  I agree with Borna's assessment 100%..

In addition, they do a nice job of interacting with children -- saying hello, giving 5 when they go by, making sure some of them get mini-footballs, etc.. Great ambassadors for the university and athletics.
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Posted: 10/18/2011 6:39 PM
I agree 100% about the things Joe and borna said.  I have always thought the cheerleaders should be on the baselines for hoops, though. 
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Posted: 10/19/2011 9:07 AM
I don't want to paint everyone with a broad brush.  Most of our cheerleaders are great, charismatic, engaged, athletic, spirited, all the things you want them to be.  At the same time, myself and people I've brought to games have noticed how a small few (I won't get specific) often look bored like they'd rather be somewhere else.  It's human, no big deal, but there have been times I've been thinking "Uh, you know you're a cheerleader, right?" 
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Posted: 10/19/2011 10:33 AM
What happens to Dan's  #1 O Zone seat?
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Posted: 10/19/2011 1:42 PM
intrpdtrvlr wrote:expand_more
I don't want to paint everyone with a broad brush.  Most of our cheerleaders are great, charismatic, engaged, athletic, spirited, all the things you want them to be.  At the same time, myself and people I've brought to games have noticed how a small few (I won't get specific) often look bored like they'd rather be somewhere else.  It's human, no big deal, but there have been times I've been thinking "Uh, you know you're a cheerleader, right?" 


Not mixing cheer folk with Dance team by chance?
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Posted: 10/19/2011 2:36 PM
Dan's Mom wrote:expand_more
What happens to Dan's  #1 O Zone seat?


Nothing.
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Posted: 10/19/2011 8:46 PM
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Not mixing cheer folk with Dance team by chance?

Not in this case and, to be candid, it's only one or two but the when it's bad, it's baaddd.  Overall, our cheer team does a great job.  They're a major plus. 

Still, if I'm being totally honest, my friends and I remember and make reference to how unenthused the least enthused members are.  Hard to miss those disinterested, "when will this end" handclaps.  

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Posted: 10/20/2011 10:52 AM
I am 100% fully pro-cheerleader.

But, anybody who remembers our undergrad years might know why.
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Posted: 10/20/2011 10:56 PM
Because I'm not an idiot and because I want to spend time adjacent to SBH and his all-knowingness (oops, first part of premise destroyed), I had to get two of these bad boys.

If it helps anyone, 80% of the seat license/contribution part of these ($900 or 600 per) is tax deductible.

Make your employer go in for these.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 4:00 PM
Didn't want to start a new thread, so I'll bring this one from the dead to discuss the court storming logistics that had been brought up before.

I was in the "Slavin Seats" (Monroe Slavin's Bobcat Black seats that he is auctioning... Thanks, Monroe!) this morning. These are the first 2 seats, right next to the 110... as in every drum cadence makes you question if you're going to get brained with a drumstick.

So, we win, for some reason (different argument) here come the students. They obviously filter toward the ends, so they're coming right over my back in seat 1, which is fine. I'm fat, they aren't going to move me much.  In addition, since the game ended on that end, the team was celebrating with the 110.

However, a 110 clarinet player behind me standing in her spot got absolutely clobbered and sent down 2-3 rows to the floor, at the feet of the percussionists. The students just kept coming, so she was not getting up. It ended up that me and 2 percussionists had to basically block everyone so that this girl could army crawl/be pulled by other percussionists out of the way.

After the dust cleared she was sitting up holding her head, I wouldn't rule out concussion. She declined the offer for us to get her help, but she was still sitting there with other 110 members holding her head as we left.

So, I guess my question is are the seats the problem, or is it something else?

There were children in Black seats right down from me. What if they were in seat 1-2? They would have been demolished as well.

My inclination is to go into a "we rush the floor for the weakest crap" (they're 5-7 MAC, favored by 10+, "we're on TV" has been a valid excuse for years as we get on more because we're good, etc.) argument and suggest if it was reserved for times when it was actually warranted, this would be an issue maybe once every 1-2 years.  However, it may be something else.

Does anyone think there is an issue here in any aspect? If so, what do you think it is?
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Posted: 2/16/2013 4:13 PM
If the team rushes a player near the fans, you cannot honestly expect the fans to join in.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 4:17 PM
I don't think it's a problem of "we rush the floor for the weakest crap."  This game came right down to the wire with a top spot in the conference at stake.  A near buzzer beater 3 point winning shot warrants it, especially when it's above one of the top dogs (usual top dogs) of the conference.  Heck, I knew it was going to happen if it came down to a buzzer beater, it just does.

Instead I think it's the seats themselves and their location.  Common sense says you do not put seats directly in front of a student section.  Student sections are known to be rowdy and in wins like this to go full throttle onto the court.  The marketing department has seen the student section rush several times before they came up with the concept of the seats and put them where they are now.  If you are going to point fingers, don't do it at the students, because when you are running high on emotion, anything could happen.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 4:28 PM
JSF wrote:expand_more
If the team rushes a player near the fans, you cannot honestly expect the fans to join in.


I agree, and that's one of the main things that was in my head on this one. That's why I hesitated to directly say that was the issue, because nothing would have prevented it (even if it seemed dumb)
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Posted: 2/16/2013 4:29 PM
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I don't think it's a problem of "we rush the floor for the weakest crap."  This game came right down to the wire with a top spot in the conference at stake.  A near buzzer beater 3 point winning shot warrants it, especially when it's above one of the top dogs (usual top dogs) of the conference.  Heck, I knew it was going to happen if it came down to a buzzer beater, it just does.

Instead I think it's the seats themselves and their location.  Common sense says you do not put seats directly in front of a student section.  Student sections are known to be rowdy and in wins like this to go full throttle onto the court.  The marketing department has seen the student section rush several times before they came up with the concept of the seats and put them where they are now.  If you are going to point fingers, don't do it at the students, because when you are running high on emotion, anything could happen.


That's not an excuse to trample someone. Luckily, it didn't get to that today.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 4:34 PM
It is not the seats at all.  LOTS of schools around the country, and most of the elite programs, have courtside seats in front of student sections.  This is what happens when courts and football fields get rushed.  The chance of injury is there, but it's all part of the fun of college basketball.  Don't blame those GREAT seats where you're right there in the action.  I wish I could sit there. 
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Posted: 2/16/2013 4:38 PM
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It is not the seats at all.  LOTS of schools around the country, and most of the elite programs, have courtside seats in front of student sections.  This is what happens when courts and football fields get rushed.  The chance of injury is there, but it's all part of the fun of college basketball.  Don't blame those GREAT seats where you're right there in the action.  I wish I could sit there. 


I don't want to see them go anywhere, trust me. It was just unfortunate to see people get absolutely laid out. I remembered this thread was here, so I wanted to revisit it. Makes for good discussion.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 4:39 PM
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If for some reason we have a win in the convo worth storming the court for i would not want to be in those seats.


Quote from earlier in the set of comments.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 4:48 PM
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I don't think it's a problem of "we rush the floor for the weakest crap."  This game came right down to the wire with a top spot in the conference at stake.  A near buzzer beater 3 point winning shot warrants it, especially when it's above one of the top dogs (usual top dogs) of the conference.  Heck, I knew it was going to happen if it came down to a buzzer beater, it just does.

Instead I think it's the seats themselves and their location.  Common sense says you do not put seats directly in front of a student section.  Student sections are known to be rowdy and in wins like this to go full throttle onto the court.  The marketing department has seen the student section rush several times before they came up with the concept of the seats and put them where they are now.  If you are going to point fingers, don't do it at the students, because when you are running high on emotion, anything could happen.


That's not an excuse to trample someone. Luckily, it didn't get to that today.


You are right in saying that.  I should have taken that into consideration.  Though I'm not sure anything other than an outright ban (good luck to whoever wants to enforce that) on court rushes would work.  Large masses of people are going to stop for very few things.  People who are directly behind those who fall might try to stop but if the rest of the mass doesn't see it, they're not stopping (I've had this happen to me before, I know).  They're just going to keep pushing because they want to get moving. 
Last Edited: 2/16/2013 4:51:58 PM by That one crazy fan
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Posted: 2/17/2013 1:00 AM
Those were my two boys sitting in seats 3 & 5. They have been down there for 2 years and know to stay there until everything unfolds. They were jacked up over Stevie's game winner and cheered till the end. We don't feel like the boys are in danger at any time and I absolutely love my seats in the Convo. I feel like we have a great relationship with the OZone, at least those sitting near us. I saw the 110 member get run over and hope she is OK. I don't, however, think the students crossed the line today. As a matter of fact, I thInk they should have induced a technical foul late in the game when a Kent St guard lost his cool on an inbounds play.
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