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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:05 PM
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As much as I cringed when DJ took some of those shots late, he shouldn't get the finger pointed at him. Sorry. He had a season-high 26 points and made plenty of big shots to keep us in it. He's one of the top players in school history and needs to be given the green light. We'd all be singing his praises if he made maybe one more 3 in the last couple minutes of regulation.

Back to the issue: I can't believe how ineffective Ivo and Nick have become. Nick at least is still hustling and not making a ton of poor decisions; he just can't hit water from a boat. Ivo, though... wow. He just looks lost. Hard to even say if JC deserves blame; he's not the one throwing the ball to the wrong team.

I'm less upset about the loss tonight than I was about the train wreck at Belmont. The team had energy tonight, and Akron played smart and tough.

I'm not willing to "settle" for being MAC runner-up, but I think we can all agree that as long as the boys beat WMU in the MAC semis, the whole season is moot except for title night against Akron. Might be more fun to beat them only once but have it be the time it really counts. And let Akron get screwed by the selection committee (especially if they drop a late conference game here); don't say it can't happen.

Regroup and take care of business the next 11 days. Bring Ivo back from the abyss, have Nick work on his shot, and let's go win the tournament.


Good post, Ivo who ?? please rejoin the team and contribute
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:07 PM
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Bobcats are a good team, not a great team. Akron has more material by more I mean deeper. Dambrot  is a very good coach. He will be at Akron until he retires. JC needs to get his players into the program.. 

He needs rebounders and defenders something the Bobcats don't have.  Hopefully the help will come next season, I don't  think he has forgotten how to coach.  At least I hope so. Sometimes coaches get burnt out like Danny Nee.


Another good post... we lack any answers to Zeek and Treadwell. Need some toughness in the paint  bigtime
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:11 PM
Maybe all of Akron's success will make Dambrot a hot commodity to another school and they will loose some momentum they have built for the program.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:12 PM
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There's some legitimacy to those complaints.

But we played well tonight in a great game.  Tonight is not a night for complaints.  Tonight we played something akin to how we played in the season ending run last year.

DJ and Walt, in particular, played well.  Reggie--fine.  Ricardo, T.J., Wilk, Stevie, Smitty--hustling.

Can't complain about tonight.


You do realize that OUR SAME EXACT TEAM beat Akron by 30 last year at the Convo. Akron is missing not only Cvetinovic but Diggs. Pathetic. Yes, we played with heart but with no sense of purpose.


This Akron team is better than last year's. Even without Diggs and Cvetinovic. They've proved that already.


I thought losing Cvetinovic would be a net positive for them.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:14 PM
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When I went negative for the first time in my Bobcat career (since enrolling as a student in 1994) I got beheaded by many of you who defended my thought that Ivo has disappeared, that Nick is pretty much a stagnant body on the floor and that JC is not the motivator that JG was. Now you should hide your heads and retract your statements. Screw the thought that this game didn't mean anything. Screw the "Cleveland only matters" crap. Screw the "It will damage Nick's psyche to bench him." There has been one and ONLY ONE variable that has changed from last year: JIM CHRISTIAN! Can you imagine this Akron team with friggin Quincy Diggs? It's time to say THIS TEAM NEEDS A CHANGE!


REEEEELLLLAAAAAAAAAX 1998, that was a great basketball game.  If Walt's shot at the end of regulation had gone down your blood pressure would be normal and you'd be singing about the 'Cats.  'Kron hit shots, especially Mr. K.  If he doesn't have a career night (I know, I know this team likes to let guys have career nights) then the 'Cats win.  That was a hard fought basketball game.  What I learned was that 'Kron is definitely a quality team (especially with Abreu, Treadwell, Zeke AND Mr. K playing well) but that OUr team can totally take them if WE play a quality game.  I'll say it right now, no way Mr. K goes 5 for 5 in the MAC championship, and I also highly doubt 'Kron will shoot 50% from three in the Championship.  They might get the 50% from the field given the play of Zeke and Treadwell but not from three.

And count me as very disappointed there was no OU-OH YEAH at the tip.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:15 PM
OK...I've been staying away from BA for too long. Been reading the board, watching every game, and enjoying myself completely.

HOWEVER...the coach in me has got to say something.

1. JC can only do one thing. Prepare. Personally, I think he does a good job. His team doesn't help him a bit by rushing. Seriously...slow down. How many times have I seen JC throw his hands in the air after a poor, quick shot or a poor defensive effort or a poor box out? I'd guess over 50...tonight he was completely exasperated. During the timeout prior to OT JC told his team (I read his lips on the TV feed). "What else do you want?" Brilliant. You know why? Because the kids have to want it. The best lesson that was ever given to me as a coach was to learn to let go. Prepare the team, motivate the team, but you can't hold your breath. Sometimes the kids have to want it..and they need to want it more than anyone in the building. Wanting it isn't overplaying (which is what gets JC slumping), but understanding what the team does best (Personally, Ohio is best when they dribble penetrate and find bigs from basket to 12 feet...working inside out...the 3s will be there later). Notice that after most timeouts and at the beginning, there are moves to do exactly this...but the minute...the second...it breaks down and the young men go into panic mode. They overplay. We saw this during the OT.

DJ chucking up 3s isn't "wanting it". Nick Kellogg dribbilng the length of the floor and knocking the ball off his leg isn't "wanting it", and RK missing one of the most naked defensive boxouts isn't "wanting it". 

This is the problem with the term "full effort". The idea of full effort must include the team aspect. This team got beat as a team tonight. Akron is a better team right now. I'm not convinced Dambrot is a better coach...but his team beat the other team because "wanting it" was a team effort. A very self-less effort from Akron tonight. I don't think Akron can do it 3 times...but if they do...tip the cap, they deserve it.

2. I will defend DJ on the screen and roll. We hedge soooooo hard in our half court defensive sets. Almost to the point of ridiculousness. RK is good at hedging and has a real feel for the concept (and it is a feel...one of those uncoachable moments in a game)...Smith is so jacked up while hedging. He sees the ball handler back up (as a ball handler should do in a hedge to provide himself space) and he chases. Once he figures out he is chasing (I'm guessing someone yells "stop chasing") he peels off, but this sets a moving ball screen on DJ. Smith can't find his man and...layup. This is not on DJ. Teams have done a good job of exploiting our hedge for the past month. Again, this is so tough to teach. The funny thing is that we were never very good at this concept last season. Our on the ball defense has always been touch and go.
     
Anyway...

Akron isn't beating Ohio three times. We are also not going to beat Kent three times. Therefore, whichever happens first will be the determining factor in Cleveland. Akron is good...real good...and they are super motivated. However, I strongly believe they played their best tonight. I really do. Lots of average players played extraordinarily well tonight.      
I also am calm because I gave up a few years ago on allowing the exploits of 18-22 year olds determine my mood. It was a good game. Enjoyed it. 







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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:22 PM
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However, I strongly believe they played their best tonight. I really do. Lots of average players played extraordinarily well tonight. 


Perhaps, but we said that after the game at Akron, too.

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I also am calm because I gave up a few years ago on allowing the exploits of 18-22 year olds determine my mood. It was a good game. Enjoyed it.


Word. It stings right now, but tomorrow is new day. Life goes on.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:25 PM
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Perhaps, but we said that after the game at Akron, too.


I'm grasping at straws.

Whatever it is...Akron is amazingly motivated by everything. There is little to no let up in that team. I keep wondering "Can they keep this up for another 2 weeks?"

I'm betting the odds that they cannot.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:26 PM
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Bobcats are a good team, not a great team. Akron has more material by more I mean deeper. Dambrot  is a very good coach. He will be at Akron until he retires. JC needs to get his players into the program.. 

He needs rebounders and defenders something the Bobcats don't have.  Hopefully the help will come next season, I don't  think he has forgotten how to coach.  At least I hope so. Sometimes coaches get burnt out like Danny Nee.


Last year we had great defense, and our offense fed off of it.  We were ranked ninth in the country in 3 point D going into the tournament.  We covered guys trying to make threes, and thus  did not get lit up on a regular basis.


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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:27 PM
Agree with Medler and GroverBall sentiments.

Good game, fun to watch.

Akron played great, deserved to win.

We had a good looking 3 to win at the end.

I think OU played well, B+, A-...just not as well as Akron.

I hope we can play them again in championship game.

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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:34 PM
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Perhaps, but we said that after the game at Akron, too.


I'm grasping at straws.

Whatever it is...Akron is amazingly motivated by everything. There is little to no let up in that team. I keep wondering "Can they keep this up for another 2 weeks?"

I'm betting the odds that they cannot.


I hope they do then get violent food poisoning Saturday morning in Cleveland. Two bid league!
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:34 PM
Starting five at BG should be DJ, Reg, Walt, Wilkins and Smith.  I like TJ but he's usually in foul trouble.  And Nick has lost his shot, although I like that he's not pumping threes when they're not going down.  Wilkins has problems when double-teamed, but he has good floor sense to find the open, makeable shot.  Smith is just a monster underneath for 6-6 and seems to find the ball.  I think he can handle Cameron Black this week.  Still pulling for Ivo and Nick to turn it around, but til that happens we should start the guys who can do the most good.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:44 PM
Where is Green?  No playing time for a guy who came from Missouri.  He has got the body to handle any of the guys from Akron.  Does JC not like Green?
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:45 PM
Wilkins scares the hell out of me. The guy has good floor sense, but he's a classic press break killer. What's his upside as the 3 guard in a press break? Yikes! I think it forces more teams to run at DJ on the half court.

Personally? I think Ohio throw more guards at them. 4 guards. Just quick the other team out of the gym. Wilkins can start as the 4th. This puts less pressure on him to have to bring the ball up. However, in that 2-2-1 press break Ohio sometimes runs, Wilkins could be a nice forward...working himself as a weak side from the ball. Inbounds seem to go left...Wilkins is always on the left and can run to either wing and be opposite the ball.

But NK and Ivo are just struggling. 
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:46 PM
just throwing this out there...not that it matters at this point:

I really don't think we should have even been given that last possession during regulation where Walt shot that 3.  On the other end the ball clearly bounced off Jon Smith.  I was pacing around and watching on TV and when that happened I just started yelling "yes! yes! that was a terrible call, yes!" 

Doesn't matter anyway...but that was probably the worst call I've ever seen.  You could see the Akron players who were nearby on the play motioning for the refs to review the video.

As far as Walt's shot, I actually really liked it...brushed off a little screen/dribble handoff and got an open look.  Ohhh man the convo would have triggered an earthquake if that went down.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:47 PM
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Starting five at BG should be DJ, Reg, Walt, Wilkins and Smith.  I like TJ but he's usually in foul trouble.  And Nick has lost his shot, although I like that he's not pumping threes when they're not going down.  Wilkins has problems when double-teamed, but he has good floor sense to find the open, makeable shot.  Smith is just a monster underneath for 6-6 and seems to find the ball.  I think he can handle Cameron Black this week.  Still pulling for Ivo and Nick to turn it around, but til that happens we should start the guys who can do the most good.


Watch out...the "Positives" will tell you you're wrong for "ruining Nick's confidence." Screw that. He's getting a full scholarship and college paid for. He's Clark's kid. Grow a pair and use it as motivation. You're right, let's go with T-Wilk or Rico. Both have outplayed Nick. Wouldn't we be dangerous with a "usually 40 percent 3 shooter" coming off our bench?!
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:47 PM
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Perhaps, but we said that after the game at Akron, too.


I'm grasping at straws.

Whatever it is...Akron is amazingly motivated by everything. There is little to no let up in that team. I keep wondering "Can they keep this up for another 2 weeks?"

I'm betting the odds that they cannot.


Great posts Medler and overall I agree with you, except I definitely think Akron will keep this up for the next 2 plus weeks, no doubt about it.  Remember, as special as our run into and through the NCAA's was last year, we beat Akron by one lousy point in the MAC tourney.  Our run into the Sweet 16 absolutely stung Akron deeply as they thought it should've been them getting all the success and publicity, not us.  It's that bitterness/jealousy that's fueling Akron and has fueled them for the whole year.  Akron will definitely be there with bells on in Cleveland for the Mac tourney championship. They are a driven team.  Question is, will Ohio be as driven?
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:48 PM
I say we fire Schaus, he hired the clowns that make all the decisions.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:52 PM
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I say we fire Schaus, he hired the clowns that make all the decisions.


Holy crap! This even hurt my knee!
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Posted: 2/27/2013 10:56 PM
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just throwing this out there...not that it matters at this point:

I really don't think we should have even been given that last possession during regulation where Walt shot that 3.  On the other end the ball clearly bounced off Jon Smith.  I was pacing around and watching on TV and when that happened I just started yelling "yes! yes! that was a terrible call, yes!" 

Doesn't matter anyway...but that was probably the worst call I've ever seen.  You could see the Akron players who were nearby on the play motioning for the refs to review the video.

As far as Walt's shot, I actually really liked it...brushed off a little screen/dribble handoff and got an open look.  Ohhh man the convo would have triggered an earthquake if that went down.


Although the call was bad, the charge that was called a block a few minutes before against us was worse.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:10 PM
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Starting five at BG should be DJ, Reg, Walt, Wilkins and Smith.  I like TJ but he's usually in foul trouble.  And Nick has lost his shot, although I like that he's not pumping threes when they're not going down.  Wilkins has problems when double-teamed, but he has good floor sense to find the open, makeable shot.  Smith is just a monster underneath for 6-6 and seems to find the ball.  I think he can handle Cameron Black this week.  Still pulling for Ivo and Nick to turn it around, but til that happens we should start the guys who can do the most good.


Watch out...the "Positives" will tell you you're wrong for "ruining Nick's confidence." Screw that. He's getting a full scholarship and college paid for. He's Clark's kid. Grow a pair and use it as motivation. You're right, let's go with T-Wilk or Rico. Both have outplayed Nick. Wouldn't we be dangerous with a "usually 40 percent 3 shooter" coming off our bench?!


I'm not as cold as that.  Both Ivo and Nick need a confidence boost, but we really need to have the five guys who are playing their best on the floor for most of the game.  Both guys are in slumps, and players will say that the best way to work out of a slump is to be on the floor.  But we're at a point in the season where we need some momentum into the tourney. They need to work out their problems outside of game time.  Ivo's problems seem to be mental; Nick's could either be physical (the hand isn't yet healed) or mechanical.  If it's the latter -- practice, practice, practice.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:42 PM
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Personally? I think Ohio throw more guards at them. 4 guards. Just quick the other team out of the gym. Wilkins can start as the 4th. This puts less pressure on him to have to bring the ball up. However, in that 2-2-1 press break Ohio sometimes runs, Wilkins could be a nice forward...working himself as a weak side from the ball. Inbounds seem to go left...Wilkins is always on the left and can run to either wing and be opposite the ball.
 


I have always preferred guys with ideas and huge balls.

Nice job Coach.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:44 PM
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Although the call was bad, the charge that was called a block a few minutes before against us was worse.


As was Coop getting a guy up and not getting the call that led to the block.
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Posted: 2/27/2013 11:58 PM
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Although the call was bad, the charge that was called a block a few minutes before against us was worse.


As was Coop getting a guy up and not getting the call that led to the block.


Yea, but IMO Coop might have waited too long.  My son and I discussed it immediately afterward and it seemed to me Coop had his chance to draw the foul when the guy went up, but he waited until he came back down and THEN leaned in to initiate the contact and that's why he didn't get the call?
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Posted: 2/28/2013 12:07 AM
Yeah, that one borna's talking about--late 2nd half and DJ deep in 3ball land clearly gets fouled by the 'kron defender who left his feet.  And, no call.  If that was not a foul, what is.

One thing about us that was mentioned above:  I don't see us as playing at a high, intense level for long stretches.  We had that lull at start of 2nd half today.  But we gone games and games without the kind of intensity that we brought for most of today.

This may surprise many of you who think that all I do is gripe, but if we play well then I'm okay if we don't win.  Too often this season we have not played well (largely, to me, defined by playing smart and with great--great--effort.  To not play well is irksome, even if we do win.
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