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bobcat695
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Posted: 3/13/2013 9:25 AM
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I say we go to the Big 10 for basketball and the SEC for football.  We are the 5th most popular basketball program in the state of Ohio and probably the 3rd most popular college football program in the state.  We average almost 7,000 for basketball coming off of a Sweet 16 season and 22,000 for football after having the most successful 5-year run in our history.  These attendance figures also factor in ticket prices that are less than most school's gameday programs.  Why wouldn't they want us?

I might be the only person that actually likes the MAC.  I like some of the regional rivalries that we have.  I like being able to get in my car and drive to road games in around 4-6 hours. 

I'm all for growth and success.  It is possible (not likely, but possible) for a team like Ohio to win the National Championship in basketball coming from a lesser conference.  Butler and Gonzaga are proof.    It is possible for a team like Ohio to make a BCS football game.  Utah, Boise and NIU have proven that.  Let's concentrate on dominating the MAC instead of trying to be Temple.  A lot of the schools are going to be without a home by quickly falling victim to the latest, greatest conference realignment. 
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Guys, my latest news flash.  since I mentioned the MVC a few weeks ago, I think it only fitting to point out the competition in b-ball would be much better (per Sagrin the #9 conference vs. the #whatever the MAC is now).  In addition, MVC football it only SLIGHTLY and I really mean SLIGHTLY behind MAC football.  We would not have been the winner there per SAGRIN ratings this year.  In addition, the MVC plays for a National Championship in football every year, we don't.  And, for those of you that say our ties should be to the East, OHIO is in the Midwest.  So, my feeling is that is where our footprint should be.  I know a couple of schools are further away but Ind St, Ill ST, MO St, SIU...not much different than CMU, balls, Niu, Buffalo, Mass, etc.

I'd say go for it.
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Guys, my latest news flash.  since I mentioned the MVC a few weeks ago, I think it only fitting to point out the competition in b-ball would be much better (per Sagrin the #9 conference vs. the #whatever the MAC is now).  In addition, MVC football it only SLIGHTLY and I really mean SLIGHTLY behind MAC football.  We would not have been the winner there per SAGRIN ratings this year.  In addition, the MVC plays for a National Championship in football every year, we don't.  And, for those of you that say our ties should be to the East, OHIO is in the Midwest.  So, my feeling is that is where our footprint should be.  I know a couple of schools are further away but Ind St, Ill ST, MO St, SIU...not much different than CMU, balls, Niu, Buffalo, Mass, etc.

I'd say go for it.


Any plan to downgrade football is a non-starter with me, for the following reasons:

1) I like football
2) Nobody pays attention to I-AA football. The MAC played a ton of nationally televised games last year. I-AA? Off the top of my head, they had a couple of nationally televised playoff games, a few HBUC games (i.e. The Southern Classic), and a couple of Ivy League games. And those were poorly viewed. And of course a slew of paycheck/slaughter games against I-A schools. In those respects, MVC football is orders of magnitude behind the MAC
3) I like football
4) OHIO has gained national and regional recognition in football over the past couple years, and this has been correlated with real benefits to the University (increased applications, etc.) along with the benefits coming from basketball. Whats the last I-AA team to get national word of mouth? Appalachian State? Northern Iowa (for the double blocked FG against Iowa a couple years ago)? Why, we could schedule home-and-homes with Youngstown State and Austin Peay, boy-howdy that'd sure drive up attendance and donations!
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Guys, my latest news flash.  since I mentioned the MVC a few weeks ago, I think it only fitting to point out the competition in b-ball would be much better (per Sagrin the #9 conference vs. the #whatever the MAC is now).  In addition, MVC football it only SLIGHTLY and I really mean SLIGHTLY behind MAC football.  We would not have been the winner there per SAGRIN ratings this year.  In addition, the MVC plays for a National Championship in football every year, we don't.  And, for those of you that say our ties should be to the East, OHIO is in the Midwest.  So, my feeling is that is where our footprint should be.  I know a couple of schools are further away but Ind St, Ill ST, MO St, SIU...not much different than CMU, balls, Niu, Buffalo, Mass, etc.

I'd say go for it.


Any plan to downgrade football is a non-starter with me, for the following reasons:

1) I like football
2) Nobody pays attention to I-AA football. The MAC played a ton of nationally televised games last year. I-AA? Off the top of my head, they had a couple of nationally televised playoff games, a few HBUC games (i.e. The Southern Classic), and a couple of Ivy League games. And those were poorly viewed. And of course a slew of paycheck/slaughter games against I-A schools. In those respects, MVC football is orders of magnitude behind the MAC
3) I like football
4) OHIO has gained national and regional recognition in football over the past couple years, and this has been correlated with real benefits to the University (increased applications, etc.) along with the benefits coming from basketball. Whats the last I-AA team to get national word of mouth? Appalachian State? Northern Iowa (for the double blocked FG against Iowa a couple years ago)? Why, we could schedule home-and-homes with Youngstown State and Austin Peay, boy-howdy that'd sure drive up attendance and donations!


You'd be smart to stay as far away from FCS football as you can. Its a lonely sewer and no one that plays there wants to remain there. Poor attendance across the board and a bad product. Missouri State is upgrading thier football stadium at the end of next year in hopes of finding a FBS home within the next 5 years or so.   

BTW, I was in Athens a couple of years ago and took a few minutes to drive through and see your campus. Looked like a prettty awesome place from what I saw. 
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Guys, my latest news flash.  since I mentioned the MVC a few weeks ago, I think it only fitting to point out the competition in b-ball would be much better (per Sagrin the #9 conference vs. the #whatever the MAC is now).  In addition, MVC football it only SLIGHTLY and I really mean SLIGHTLY behind MAC football.  We would not have been the winner there per SAGRIN ratings this year.  In addition, the MVC plays for a National Championship in football every year, we don't.  And, for those of you that say our ties should be to the East, OHIO is in the Midwest.  So, my feeling is that is where our footprint should be.  I know a couple of schools are further away but Ind St, Ill ST, MO St, SIU...not much different than CMU, balls, Niu, Buffalo, Mass, etc.

I'd say go for it.


Your feelings mirror mine but not most people. I like college football but I love college basketball.  But football (much to my chagrin) drives nearly everything we do.  If we were to make a move we would have to have a plan for football that doesn't involve a drop to FBS.  That could involve starting a new football conference with the teams that are looking to jump up a division but I just don't see us dropping in football.
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Would Missouri State be interested in the MAC? I would be all for Missouri State, Illinois State and Indiana State for no other reason than their names. Plus it would upgrade the level of basketball in the western division.
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Guys, my latest news flash.  since I mentioned the MVC a few weeks ago, I think it only fitting to point out the competition in b-ball would be much better (per Sagrin the #9 conference vs. the #whatever the MAC is now).  In addition, MVC football it only SLIGHTLY and I really mean SLIGHTLY behind MAC football.  We would not have been the winner there per SAGRIN ratings this year.  In addition, the MVC plays for a National Championship in football every year, we don't.  And, for those of you that say our ties should be to the East, OHIO is in the Midwest.  So, my feeling is that is where our footprint should be.  I know a couple of schools are further away but Ind St, Ill ST, MO St, SIU...not much different than CMU, balls, Niu, Buffalo, Mass, etc.

I'd say go for it.


Any plan to downgrade football is a non-starter with me, for the following reasons:

1) I like football
2) Nobody pays attention to I-AA football. The MAC played a ton of nationally televised games last year. I-AA? Off the top of my head, they had a couple of nationally televised playoff games, a few HBUC games (i.e. The Southern Classic), and a couple of Ivy League games. And those were poorly viewed. And of course a slew of paycheck/slaughter games against I-A schools. In those respects, MVC football is orders of magnitude behind the MAC
3) I like football
4) OHIO has gained national and regional recognition in football over the past couple years, and this has been correlated with real benefits to the University (increased applications, etc.) along with the benefits coming from basketball. Whats the last I-AA team to get national word of mouth? Appalachian State? Northern Iowa (for the double blocked FG against Iowa a couple years ago)? Why, we could schedule home-and-homes with Youngstown State and Austin Peay, boy-howdy that'd sure drive up attendance and donations!


You'd be smart to stay as far away from FCS football as you can. Its a lonely sewer and no one that plays there wants to remain there. Poor attendance across the board and a bad product. Missouri State is upgrading thier football stadium at the end of next year in hopes of finding a FBS home within the next 5 years or so.   

BTW, I was in Athens a couple of years ago and took a few minutes to drive through and see your campus. Looked like a prettty awesome place from what I saw. 


I know a conference that would take you as a football only member!
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Guys, my latest news flash.  since I mentioned the MVC a few weeks ago, I think it only fitting to point out the competition in b-ball would be much better (per Sagrin the #9 conference vs. the #whatever the MAC is now).  In addition, MVC football it only SLIGHTLY and I really mean SLIGHTLY behind MAC football.  We would not have been the winner there per SAGRIN ratings this year.  In addition, the MVC plays for a National Championship in football every year, we don't.  And, for those of you that say our ties should be to the East, OHIO is in the Midwest.  So, my feeling is that is where our footprint should be.  I know a couple of schools are further away but Ind St, Ill ST, MO St, SIU...not much different than CMU, balls, Niu, Buffalo, Mass, etc.

I'd say go for it.


Any plan to downgrade football is a non-starter with me, for the following reasons:

1) I like football
2) Nobody pays attention to I-AA football. The MAC played a ton of nationally televised games last year. I-AA? Off the top of my head, they had a couple of nationally televised playoff games, a few HBUC games (i.e. The Southern Classic), and a couple of Ivy League games. And those were poorly viewed. And of course a slew of paycheck/slaughter games against I-A schools. In those respects, MVC football is orders of magnitude behind the MAC
3) I like football
4) OHIO has gained national and regional recognition in football over the past couple years, and this has been correlated with real benefits to the University (increased applications, etc.) along with the benefits coming from basketball. Whats the last I-AA team to get national word of mouth? Appalachian State? Northern Iowa (for the double blocked FG against Iowa a couple years ago)? Why, we could schedule home-and-homes with Youngstown State and Austin Peay, boy-howdy that'd sure drive up attendance and donations!


As one who primarily only lurks on the Basketball board, I agree 100 percent with mf'er. I like football, and any consideration for dropping football to FBS would have to be examined from the standpoint of that part of our fanbase that likes football more. It's easy to be a basketball fan first and say "drop football to FBS for the following reasons..." when those reasons are completely basketball-centric. You have to look at the impact dropping football to a lower division would have on your TOTAL fan base, not just the basketball fans, and what that impact would do to our fund raising, etc.
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At this point its just being batted around on various message boards but I'm sure that the MVC front office would take you in a heartbeat if you had a place to park your football team. Would the MAC let you keep football there if this scenario were to come up?


Honestly, I think they would. But that's just my take. And Ohio has a good volleyball program.
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Way back when in another thread, I talked about seeing if Northern Iowa and Ill St would consider upgrading football.  Add those two and get rid of a couple of pretenders in the current MAC (ala EMU) and you upgrade f-ball and b-ball substantially.

Maybe we could go with the soccer tradition of relugation (sp?)and promotion.  Top 10 football schools in these conferences play in the top division while others play in 2nd Division.  Promote the top two each year and relugate (sp?)  the bottom two (guys, I am just joking)
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Would Missouri State be interested in the MAC? I would be all for Missouri State, Illinois State and Indiana State for no other reason than their names. Plus it would upgrade the level of basketball in the western division.


Missouri State is a basketball town and any and all decisions that are made are with basketball in mind first. That said, it would be a hard sale for the fanbase to accept MAC basketball. Football in the MAC is a no brainer because its a very good and well respected product. If we could move for football only, I think our administation would give that some very strong consideration. We are not tied or restricted to anything in football because the MVFC (Missouri Valley Football Conference)  is not affiliated with the MVC. 

I'll be the first to say that we have historically not been very good in football but we are finally directing the resources there to turn the corner. 

How cool would it be if we added you, Kent State and Akron to the MVC for basketball and olympic sports and have the MAC add us, N Iowa, and Illinois State for football only? 
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Posted: 3/13/2013 12:52 PM
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Way back when in another thread, I talked about seeing if Northern Iowa and Ill St would consider upgrading football.  Add those two and get rid of a couple of pretenders in the current MAC (ala EMU) and you upgrade f-ball and b-ball substantially.

Maybe we could go with the soccer tradition of relugation (sp?)and promotion.  Top 10 football schools in these conferences play in the top division while others play in 2nd Division.  Promote the top two each year and relugate (sp?)  the bottom two (guys, I am just joking)


As much as I disliked your earlier post, I quite like this relegation idea. I'm afraid it'd be REALLY tough or impossible to actually do, given the difference in roster sizes between FBS and FCS (85 scholarships in FBS vs 63 scholarships in FCS***), but an interesting idea.

***FBS football is a head-count sport (only 85 players may receive any form of athletic scholarship) while FCS football is an equivalency sport (only 63 full scholarship-equivalents may be given, but those may be divided up in such a way that as many as 85 players can receive some form of athletic scholarship, either full or partial).
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