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Posted: 3/22/2013 11:58 AM
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As a MAC school, we stand on our own merit.  None of the other schools successes or failures have much of an impact on our ability to advance the program.  When Kent made the Elite Eight, the MAC didn't start receiving multiple bids to the tournament the next year. 

Gonzaga and Butler both built national powerhouses in weak conferences.  Other teams in their conferences rose up eventually, but they largely did it on their own.  Boise did the same thing in football.  Your conference only determines your success if there are multiple national players in it.  The MAC will never be in that position.   

I think Akron is a dirtbag program.  They have a felon for a point guard and two known NCAA rules violators in their department (Bowden, Tressel).  Dambrot hasn't exactly been the guy I'd want my sons to learn life lessons from either.  The only sad part of Akron's debacle last night was that VCU couldn't convert 4 of their FT's and beat Akron by an even 50.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 1:48 PM
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bobcat695 wrote:expand_more
  The only sad part of Akron's debacle last night was that VCU couldn't convert 4 of their FT's and beat Akron by an even 50.


I'm gonna steal OCF's inevitable thunder by drawing the parallel to the time Woody went for two back in 1968 so he could beat Michigan 50-0.

I guess I could go do the research myself, but I'm wondering how it can be documented that Akron is actually "dirtier" than other MAC schools.  I know SBH thinks Akron is a subpar educational institution.  I'm just not totally convinced that Akron is the worst bad boy in the MAC athletically. 
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Hate to say it but outsiders looking in on this thread and a few others would categorize us as a bunch of cry babies.  Akron handed us our lunch 3 times this year.  This year they were the better team.  Last year it was us.  Next year is yet to be played.  There is no need to belittle them and think that we are superior.  Lord knows we've had our share of run ins with the law.  Come of the crimes committed here against people are pretty serious.  My suggestion is to respect their accomplishments this year and surpass them this coming year by better performances on the court.
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Memphis - won 1st round NCAA - BARELY. The powerhouse of St. Mary's had a shot to win with 2 ticks left.


Some Dook arrogance here. First of all, what does it matter if they barely won? They won. Second, St. Mary's is a really good program. Several NCAA wins for them in the last few years and NBA players.
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Hate to say it but outsiders looking in on this thread and a few others would categorize us as a bunch of cry babies.  Akron handed us our lunch 3 times this year.  This year they were the better team.  Last year it was us.  Next year is yet to be played.  There is no need to belittle them and think that we are superior.  Lord knows we've had our share of run ins with the law.  Come of the crimes committed here against people are pretty serious.  My suggestion is to respect their accomplishments this year and surpass them this coming year by better performances on the court.


A lot of truth here.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 3:59 PM
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You are an idiot.



Seriously, dude--that's your complete response to 695's lead post in this thread?

Why do you even bother posting.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 5:58 PM
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Programs and coaches that are in transition and needing reps and time to develope teams and players see the value in playing those games and getting the extra practices and tourney win or go home situations. YOu may be right that the only fans that care are friends and family .....that may be absolutely true. .


This paragraph is the key. And I agree with you 100%. For a young team or team with a bunch of new pieces, the extra practice time, chance to travel together, get some experience against teams/styles they might not see on a regular basis etc are all really invaluable. As a coach or player I'd absolutely take the CIT/CBI bid and go try to win em all.

But I'm talking from a national news/fan perspective. I want OU to eventually make that Butler/Gonzaga/VCU type jump where they are "known" and "talked about" by every newspaper, ESPN/CBS/TNT analyst enough that Johnny Saturday Sports Fan knows who we are, where we're from, what conference we're in and has enough respect to expect us to be able to not just hang with but even think we'll beat some of the BCS programs.

The CIT/CBI does literally nothing to affect those perceptions, and my point was it does so little that it's not even on anybody's radar except for those directly involved.
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Memphis - won 1st round NCAA - BARELY. The powerhouse of St. Mary's had a shot to win with 2 ticks left.


Some Dook arrogance here. First of all, what does it matter if they barely won? They won. Second, St. Mary's is a really good program. Several NCAA wins for them in the last few years and NBA players.


Again it's a perception issue. I know St. Mary's is a good program. You know St. Mary's is a good program. The other 95% of sports fans couldn't tell you what state they're from. Of course survive and advance. Memphis did that. I'm just saying the PERCEPTION of our NCAA opponents has been pathetic so far and will be even worse if Oklahoma loses tonight.
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GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
But I'm talking from a national news/fan perspective. I want OU to eventually make that Butler/Gonzaga/VCU type jump where they are "known" and "talked about" by every newspaper, ESPN/CBS/TNT analyst enough that Johnny Saturday Sports Fan knows who we are, where we're from, what conference we're in and has enough respect to expect us to be able to not just hang with but even think we'll beat some of the BCS programs.


How are Butler/Gonzaga/VCU's football programs? I would like that too. But that is very difficult for a non-BCS conference/mid-major team to accomplish for both football AND basketball programs.
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Very difficult for sure. Not impossible.

If you can't dream it you'll never achieve it.

I can remember Coach Hunter talking to his staff and players about winning a national championship. It never happened but if you don't at least have that as a long term goal that you're aiming for then why bother?
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Posted: 3/22/2013 6:23 PM
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I'm glad Akron got torched too! I really like VCU, and got a soccer scholarship offer from there. I respect them very much, and I have no respect for Akron.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 7:51 PM
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't care what Average Joe thinks of us and don't need the validation of the casual and ignorant.
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GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
Programs and coaches that are in transition and needing reps and time to develope teams and players see the value in playing those games and getting the extra practices and tourney win or go home situations. YOu may be right that the only fans that care are friends and family .....that may be absolutely true. .


The CIT/CBI does literally nothing to affect those perceptions, and my point was it does so little that it's not even on anybody's radar except for those directly involved.


Do you only look over the hood when you drive as well?
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What athletics teaches you, or should teach you ( and that includes all the posters here) is that you win some and you lose some. When you lose, as we did to Akron three times this year, you tip your hat and try to get better. There should be no bitterness. They beat us. Let's wake up tommorrow determined to get better. Most of the comments in this thread are juvenile and ridiculous. Grow up.
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Could you tell that to Mr. 9704? Because he seems to think losing should never, ever happen.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 11:49 PM
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What athletics teaches you, or should teach you ( and that includes all the posters here) is that you win some and you lose some. When you lose, as we did to Akron three times this year, you tip your hat and try to get better. There should be no bitterness. They beat us. Let's wake up tommorrow determined to get better. Most of the comments in this thread are juvenile and ridiculous. Grow up.
Said the person whose first response was childish name calling. I've disliked Akron's program for years, even when we were beating them. It's not about a few losses. It's about an athletic department that I don't like or respect.
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What athletics teaches you, or should teach you ( and that includes all the posters here) is that you win some and you lose some. When you lose, as we did to Akron three times this year, you tip your hat and try to get better. There should be no bitterness. They beat us. Let's wake up tommorrow determined to get better. Most of the comments in this thread are juvenile and ridiculous. Grow up.


Said the person whose first response was childish name calling. I've disliked Akron's program for years, even when we were beating them. It's not about a few losses. It's about an athletic department that I don't like or respect.


Since the season is over and none of us have to formulate game plans for the coach until the fall, when we make claims like this why not offer some specifics.  Why don't you like or respect their athletic department?  Certainly isn't facilities because other than the Convo, theirs are hands down superior.  Can't be their MAC football championships because they have one more recent one than we do, and it can't be there 7 consecutive 20+ winning seasons in basketball or their 6 consecutive post season appearances in basketball.  Can't be there track team since we don't have one and certainly can't be their national championship in soccer.

Seriously, like giacomo said, let's get better and prove on the court and field who is the better team.
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This got me thinking about our own athletic department. I know this was mentioned on other threads, but I think it merits additional attention.

Over the past 5 years, Ohio is in the top 30 in the nation in winning percentage for MBB and FB. (source: http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2013/03/oh...)

That is truly an amazing statistic. USC, Duke, Michigan, Baylor, Kansas, Nebraska, Kentucky, UCLA, UConn, Texas A&M, Northwestern, Iowa, NC State...all rank below us.

That's an average of 30 wins a year, folks. Think about that, 30 wins in MBB and FB on average for the past five years? Remarkable. Plus, you add in the national exposure/wins we've had and we are truly experiencing a great time in Ohio Athletics.

Factor in the women's sports (minus the recent troubles for WBB) with a win, runner-up and high rankings in the Jacoby Trophy standings and the overall graduation rates and this is a program to really be proud of (I know, I know, I'm still not happy about men's track/swimming, but that's another thread).
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Hate to say it but outsiders looking in on this thread and a few others would categorize us as a bunch of cry babies.  Akron handed us our lunch 3 times this year.  This year they were the better team.  Last year it was us.  Next year is yet to be played.  There is no need to belittle them and think that we are superior.  Lord knows we've had our share of run ins with the law.  Come of the crimes committed here against people are pretty serious.  My suggestion is to respect their accomplishments this year and surpass them this coming year by better performances on the court.


A lot of truth here.


Except for the bizarre thought process that fans are part of a basketball team and that our actions have any effect on how Ohio plays next year.

If I make an Abreu joke, I'm not required to lash myself because an Ohio player once also had a felony. I am not Ohio University personified. If I joke about Akron being beaten by 88 points, I am not taking away from Ohio's players preparing for next season.

We truly need to get a grip and stop thinking WE are Ohio basketball. We are a bunch of random people who have fun rooting for green laundry. And it's awesome. Stop trying to be a monk for Ohio basketball, as if our chastity towards the game makes us holy and worthy of winning next year.

Sports are a game. We have fun watching it and discussing it and making fun of Akron. And that is perfectly fine.
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What's the melt down like over there on the 'kron boards?

Gotta be some good stuff!
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Hate to say it but outsiders looking in on this thread and a few others would categorize us as a bunch of cry babies.  Akron handed us our lunch 3 times this year.  This year they were the better team.  Last year it was us.  Next year is yet to be played.  There is no need to belittle them and think that we are superior.  Lord knows we've had our share of run ins with the law.  Come of the crimes committed here against people are pretty serious.  My suggestion is to respect their accomplishments this year and surpass them this coming year by better performances on the court.


A lot of truth here.


Except for the bizarre thought process that fans are part of a basketball team and that our actions have any effect on how Ohio plays next year.

If I make an Abreu joke, I'm not required to lash myself because an Ohio player once also had a felony. I am not Ohio University personified. If I joke about Akron being beaten by 88 points, I am not taking away from Ohio's players preparing for next season.

We truly need to get a grip and stop thinking WE are Ohio basketball. We are a bunch of random people who have fun rooting for green laundry. And it's awesome. Stop trying to be a monk for Ohio basketball, as if our chastity towards the game makes us holy and worthy of winning next year.

Sports are a game. We have fun watching it and discussing it and making fun of Akron. And that is perfectly fine.


I guess you can't win for losing.  If you write a post and refer to the team that plays in the Convo as the Bobcats, you get chastised for criticizing the team.  If you write a post using us and we thus showing support of the local team you get chastised for claiming to be a part of the team.   You can't have it both ways.  My team is the OU Bobcats and that's who I support.  I will say this though - in one of the games late in the season where the Bobcats/we stunk up the floor in the first half, the most common greeting among friends at half time was "do you have any eligibility left?"
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Count me in as one of the idiots who LOVES that Akron got torched, a result I fully predicted. I even grew up with one of the players on the team. But he was dead to me when he chose to play for Akron. 

 

Also, the MAC will never be strong. We just have to become good enough to win the conference tourney every year.

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What's the melt down like over there on the 'kron boards?

Gotta be some good stuff!


I haven't checked yet but should for entertainment value.  I know after getting blown out people were saying that VCU was a legit final four team that deserved a much better seed.
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lots of humor on the Kron board. They are livid that VCU ran up the score in a way that some of them claim has never been done before in the history of sport. Their proof is that he ran a full court press the whole game against Kron but didn't against Michigan, of course they are completely ignoring the fact that you pressing doesn't work when the other team breaks it.

they're really showing their true colors. Akron fans suck.
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What athletics teaches you, or should teach you ( and that includes all the posters here) is that you win some and you lose some. When you lose, as we did to Akron three times this year, you tip your hat and try to get better. There should be no bitterness. They beat us. Let's wake up tommorrow determined to get better. Most of the comments in this thread are juvenile and ridiculous. Grow up.


Said the person whose first response was childish name calling. I've disliked Akron's program for years, even when we were beating them. It's not about a few losses. It's about an athletic department that I don't like or respect.


Since the season is over and none of us have to formulate game plans for the coach until the fall, when we make claims like this why not offer some specifics. Why don't you like or respect their athletic department? Certainly isn't facilities because other than the Convo, theirs are hands down superior. Can't be their MAC football championships because they have one more recent one than we do, and it can't be there 7 consecutive 20+ winning seasons in basketball or their 6 consecutive post season appearances in basketball. Can't be there track team since we don't have one and certainly can't be their national championship in soccer.

Seriously, like giacomo said, let's get better and prove on the court and field who is the better team.
I don't respect Dambrot for his past actions. I don't respect a school that would hire two know (and admitted) NCAA rules violators in Bowden and Tressel. I think they were incredibly foolish to build their football stadium and go into massive debt to do it. We might complain about the need to modernize both Peden and the Convo, but I'm glad we have not undertaken tens of millions in debt to do it, especially when their football team has been an annual basement dweller.

Their point guard is obviously a questionable character. We have had drinking and fighting issues, but I don't remember anyone on our teams running a mini cartel. They won 20+ games, but did nothing once they got outside the MAC. Their football success was a flash in a pan, not sustained improvement.

And frankly I don't care about track or soccer. Basketball and football are the revenue sports. I'll bet I could get into the NCAA soccer championship with either a $2 ticket or a can of food. That is like saying WVU has overachieved because their rifle team dominates every year.
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