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Posted: 3/22/2013 6:28 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Hmmm, Groce's team can't make a bucket-what did he tell his team at halftime?  His adjustments at halftime haven't worked so far (yet) either.  :)


Doesn't surprise me since Groce's offense is all about making shots, but when they're not falling then his system can look hideous.  Coaches can set the tone, but it comes down to the players performing.  Still doesn't mean that these guys are not great coaches.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 6:29 PM
Might want to add JG to the list just in case the Illini can't hold Colorado off.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 7:02 PM
west side cat wrote:expand_more
Might want to add JG to the list just in case the Illini can't hold Colorado off.


He's safe for 1 more day.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 8:01 PM
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:expand_more
Throw in Bruce Weber of Kansas State.  Big loss for them today.


I was really hoping we'd draw them had we won last Saturday.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 8:46 PM
JT III getting outcoached (again)...2nd seed Georgetown down 14 points to 15th seed Florida Gulf Coast at under 6 minutes
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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:05 PM


Iowa thinks they got the better end of that deal
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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:14 PM
Congratulations John Thompson III you just made TheList. Again!
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Posted: 3/22/2013 9:26 PM
Fire all these guys.  They obviously forgot how to coach.  Their kids actually stopped making shots, they didnt rebound at key moments, some kids even lost track of the man they were supposed to be guarding!   Wow, one team even missed some critical free throws !  What a terrible coaching job by that guy !   luckily we have guys like Monroe and Wilson Record Holder to keep our athletic director informed about all the shortcommings of our coach who only got 24 wins in his first season.  Oh, the shame of pulling for the Bobcats.  Hopefully our coaching critics can stay busy over at Big Blue Nation, and Georgetown's fan site, or Wisconsin's or any of those other schools who have such miserable people running their programs, and have under-achieved.  Go and straighten them out !
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Posted: 3/22/2013 11:38 PM
The HC at UND must be a real bonehead too.  His team looks completely dazed.  Maybe it's those fluorescent green uniforms.  Ugliest things I've ever seen.
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Posted: 3/22/2013 11:46 PM
Yep, add Mike Brey to the list.   He is awful.
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Posted: 3/23/2013 10:52 AM
Ben Howland of UCLA fame "come on down"! You too have made TheList! Keep tuned to this one. I'm suspecting a TOS to UCLA thread may be in the works shortly.
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Posted: 3/23/2013 1:18 PM
IF Shaka Smart doesn't make the correct halftime adjustments he's dangerously close to going from The "Havoc"  to TheList of he CAN'T coach. Funny how a team's inability to make shots as VCU has definitely struggled with in the first half with Michigan can turn the  perspective of a Coach's ability to coach. VCU is shooting 1 for 8 from the 3 at the half. Kind of has a 1 for 20 feel to it and thus leads to the proverbial He Can't Coach!
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Posted: 3/23/2013 1:21 PM
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I'm a Marquette fan going back to the Al McGuire days (remember OHIO transfer Ulice Payne as their irreplaceable sixth man in the 1977 national championship season?  How did Al steal him from Jim Snider???), but they were the worst shooting three-point team in the tourney.  A little luck goes a long way in the NCAAs. 




It wasn't Snyder; Dale Bandy lost him along with a nice little PG called Larry Slappy.  That was part of the significant slide under Bandy that wasn't fixed until Danny Nee came in.


So Snyder retires and assistant Dale Bandy takes over and Bandy lost them?  Would the duo have stayed if Snyder had remained in the saddle?  Lots of freshman leave after one year, placing their moving on to the shoulders of Bandy is a stretch.  The program's direction under Bandy is on the mark though. 

The thing about teams in the MAC is the depth issue.  Scaggs and Joyce were really swell players but no big and no guards means failure.  Looking at Miami, Buffalo and BG this season and you can see 2-3 guys on each that would have been fantastic with DJ and Reg.  It is when five to 7 guys fall in line when the teams excell.  That's why Kent and Akron have been towards the top and hopefully Ohio will reload as those teams have to keep Ohio near the top in years to come. 
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Posted: 3/23/2013 1:25 PM
BobcatSports wrote:expand_more
IF Shaka Smart doesn't make the correct halftime adjustments he's dangerously close to going from The "Havoc"  to TheList of he CAN'T coach. Funny how a team's inability to make shots as VCU has definitely struggled with in the first half with Michigan can turn the  perspective of a Coach's ability to coach. VCU is shooting 1 for 8 from the 3 at the half. Kind of has a 1 for 20 feel to it and thus leads to the proverbial He Can't Coach!


There is a big difference losing to Michigan in the state of Michigan with the best guards in the country...compared to going 0-3 against a conference opponent and not making any glaring adjustments in that 3rd matchup.


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Posted: 3/23/2013 2:28 PM
And what if you had a team that was led by one of the most heralded point guards in the Nation that had put up historic numbers BUT had to overcome the following:

- A KEY cog that inexplicably refused to take the ball to the basket
-The Key cog's replacement gamely resorting to essentially being forced to play on one leg
-The primary 3 point specialist going thru a prolonged shooting slump
-A team that was consistently an admittedly poor rebounding team regardless the opponent
-An opponent that felt it was "robbed" from something it felt entilted to, made it their mission to above all else to take it back this season, played with a chip on their shoulders and just maybe wanted it more.

Maybe John Wooden couldn't have "adjusted" his way out of that one.
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Posted: 3/23/2013 3:27 PM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more

I'm a Marquette fan going back to the Al McGuire days (remember OHIO transfer Ulice Payne as their irreplaceable sixth man in the 1977 national championship season?  How did Al steal him from Jim Snider???), but they were the worst shooting three-point team in the tourney.  A little luck goes a long way in the NCAAs. 




It wasn't Snyder; Dale Bandy lost him along with a nice little PG called Larry Slappy.  That was part of the significant slide under Bandy that wasn't fixed until Danny Nee came in.


So Snyder retires and assistant Dale Bandy takes over and Bandy lost them?  Would the duo have stayed if Snyder had remained in the saddle? Lots of freshman leave after one year, placing their moving on to the shoulders of Bandy is a stretch.  The program's direction under Bandy is on the mark though. 

The thing about teams in the MAC is the depth issue.  Scaggs and Joyce were really swell players but no big and no guards means failure.  Looking at Miami, Buffalo and BG this season and you can see 2-3 guys on each that would have been fantastic with DJ and Reg.  It is when five to 7 guys fall in line when the teams excell.  That's why Kent and Akron have been towards the top and hopefully Ohio will reload as those teams have to keep Ohio near the top in years to come. 


  Only setting the chronology correctly; no judgement about whether they would have stayed. ....assume they might but not the intent of the comment.  As an aside, during Bandy's tenure, it was not uncommon for more people to be at Bird (with beer sales) for hockey than at the Convo for hoops.
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Posted: 3/24/2013 9:29 AM
Add Zags' coach Mark Few to the list.  Lost in the round of 32 for the fourth straight year.  Can't win the big games.  What a bum.
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Posted: 3/27/2013 10:07 AM
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I listened to the last 5 or so minutes of Davidson/Marquette.

Marquette did what we didn't do once this season.  This thing is why I find our season less than satisfactory.

What is this thing?  They imposed their will at a key point in a key game.


Interesting.  How exactly did they impose their will?  By finally making highly contested 3s at the end?  By forcing one turnover in the final 50 seconds?  Please inform me how they imposed their will.  The folks down here at Davidson are dying to hear how Marquette won by imposing their will. 



Yes.  That is exactly what 'quette did.  In a big game. At the key moment.



The "now fire coach 'cause they lost in the tourney" remarks all miss the point that those coaches won big games this year and made the tourney.  Seriously, are you guys that unable to reason, to make critical distinctions.



I'm not advocating firing JC.  Not in any way.  Just trying to right some poor analysis here.
Last Edited: 3/27/2013 10:31:41 AM by Monroe Slavin
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Posted: 3/28/2013 11:08 PM
Great post by me.

Slammed it...shut
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Posted: 3/28/2013 11:51 PM
Jim Larranaga definitely sucks, can't believe his team shot so poorly tonight.    Looking like Tom Crean sucks too, can't figure out how to beat a simple 2-3 zone.  
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Posted: 3/29/2013 11:51 AM
There's some sniping coming out of the Arizona camp as well about Shawn Miller. Hot shooting of the 3 ball in the first half - great coaching. 1 for 11 of 3's in the 2nd half - can't coach a lick. Reminds everyone of Lute Olsen now - great recruiter - can't coach his way out of a paper bag.
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Posted: 3/29/2013 2:00 PM
And its clear that Jim Christian's fellow coaches in the MAC think he's an awful coach and a bad hire too
http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032913aaa.html


For those that might have missed the sarcasm, that award is voted on by the coaches of a given district. District 14 is the MAC.
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Posted: 3/29/2013 10:24 PM
Bill Self join the party. Talk about a meltdown. I don't think we ever blew a lead that quickly, that late in a game. 
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Posted: 3/30/2013 12:00 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Great post by me.

Slammed it...shut


Only one person would think so - not surprising
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