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Topic: Is Wichita State a better team than Ohio State?
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Posted: 4/11/2013 10:32 AM
"No, you are just being Monroe."  makes it personal?  Please - it's not like I called out third poster. 

What irks me is when someone's opinion (their approach) flies in the face of their very own logic. 

You say you craft your view based on what happens on the floor, yet limit, or certainly heavily weigh your view based on three weekends over the course of a 5 month season - when teams (who played in, or were hand picked by a committee), play only a select few teams in their bracket. 

The reality - if we want to deal with that - is that every team except Louisville (I think we both agree to dismiss the NIT and CBI winners from this discussion) lost their last game of the year.  Every team in the tournament and most every team in the country - lost their last game of the year.  WE agree the last team standing Louisville is #1 - National Champion.  After that it is opinion as to who is 2nd, 3rd, 11th, 35th, etc.  Yet when they lost, you admit, is paramount to your ranking - "what they did on the court" only applies to three weekends in March - not the rest of the year.  If, by your own admission, the tournament defines who is better, then the regular season is nothing more than an exercise to determine who gets in the tournament and their ranking - then everyone starts at ground zero - For someone who is fact based and makes decisions based on what happens on the court, you admit dismissing 80% of the season.   That is odd. 

Is Wichita State better than OSU?  That's an argument you can win.  Are they better than Kansas or Duke?  We have no idea - none at all. You would say yes because they made it further in the year-end, three weekend tournament, and "looked good" when you saw them.  I embrace your view that what takes place on the court does, indeed, matter.  But I'm compelled to not dismiss 80% of their body of work. 
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Posted: 4/11/2013 12:12 PM
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"No, you are just being Monroe."  makes it personal?  Please - it's not like I called out third poster.  Please clarify--can't tell what you're getting at.

What irks me is when someone's opinion (their approach) flies in the face of their very own logic.  No.  I base most on reality, results on floor.  Your side clings to SYMPATHY FOR DUKE.  They must be better based on the whole year and some weird fixation that the top schools are ever better.   AN OHIO GRAD COULD NEVER COMPETE AGAINST A CORNELL OR STANFORD FOR A JOB.

You say you craft your view based on what happens on the floor, yet limit, or certainly heavily weigh your view based on three weekends over the course of a 5 month season - when teams (who played in, or were hand picked by a committee), play only a select few teams in their bracket.  C'mon. I've stated here about 20 times that the NCAA tourney is the big one in my opinion.  That's not an irrational thought; many seem to believe it.  And I've stated innumerable times on this board that how one performs in key, big moments is the standard.  (Our football win vs. Penn State worth a lot more than beating EMU again.)  Look at all the cool nicknames--Captain Clutch, Mr. Bigshot, etc.  They're all about peformance when it counts.  You are free to use another standard but I don't get it.

The reality - if we want to deal with that - is that every team except Louisville (I think we both agree to dismiss the NIT and CBI winners from this discussion) lost their last game of the year.  Every team in the tournament and most every team in the country - lost their last game of the year.  WE agree the last team standing Louisville is #1 - National Champion.  After that it is opinion as to who is 2nd, 3rd, 11th, 35th, etc.  Yet when they lost, you admit, is paramount to your ranking - "what they did on the court" only applies to three weekends in March - not the rest of the year.  If, by your own admission, the tournament defines who is better, then the regular season is nothing more than an exercise to determine who gets in the tournament and their ranking - then everyone starts at ground zero - For someone who is fact based and makes decisions based on what happens on the court, you admit dismissing 80% of the season.   That is odd.  Huh?--the regular season factors into getting into the best, the NCAA.  Then, we play for money.  That's not entirely discounting the rest of the season.  It is valuing most the most valued part of the season.  What's odd is how dismissive you are of the tourney.

Is Wichita State better than OSU?  That's an argument you can win.  Are they better than Kansas or Duke?  We have no idea - none at all. You would say yes because they made it further in the year-end, three weekend tournament, and "looked good" when you saw them.  I embrace your view that what takes place on the court does, indeed, matter.  But I'm compelled to not dismiss 80% of their body of work.  To me, WichState is better.  Getting into the Final Four is superior achievement.  It just is.  Do you watch those games and feel the pressure---how can you not.  WichState performed.


When are you just going to say, 'Okay, we'll just agree to disagree.'  I've long given up trying to change your mind.  I will reinforce my p.o.v., will answer your repetitive arguments.  It's getting to be fun getting you tweaked.  Your actual performance here reflects that.  Am I asking you to concede?  Not at all.  Just acknowledge my p.o.v. is is plausible as your own. 

How is Duke-Centered-Land?  Maybe some day I'll visit that place where certain schools are sacrosanct.

No, not really.
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Posted: 4/11/2013 12:48 PM
You are right - let's end on something we both agree on

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Posted: 4/11/2013 12:49 PM

cc cat:  This year's hoops team was more successful than last year because our conference record was better--since that's the heart/greater part of the season.

Me:  That's not gonna happen.

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Posted: 4/11/2013 1:05 PM
Monroe: The team that loses the Super Bowl is the second best team in the NFL

Me: There you go again...

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Posted: 4/11/2013 3:52 PM
Good call.

We should schedule a tour--I smell seven figures.  I know everyone here enjoys or repartee.
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Posted: 4/11/2013 5:59 PM
Final answer:  70% here voted WIchState > columbus.

Everyone knows that poll resuls from bobattack are infallible.
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