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Deciduous Forest Cat
10/14/2023 8:38 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Anyone here questioning Boals salary might want to re-evaluate today what we are paying Timmy Albin.

Boals>Timmy
This dumb.
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OhioCatFan
10/15/2023 9:22 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Anyone here questioning Boals salary might want to re-evaluate today what we are paying Timmy Albin.

Boals>Timmy
This dumb.
Was TA responsible for all of Rourke's interceptions?
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GraffZ06
10/15/2023 1:12 PM
We have a football team?
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Maddog13
10/15/2023 1:14 PM
With all the madness taking place related to NIL deals (which nobody related to Athens can even closely meet), I think that we will be glad that we continue to have a talented and respected coach with such a long legacy with the Bobcats that creates a sense of stability and structure. In other words, Coach Boals is a steal.
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Bobcat1996
10/15/2023 2:28 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Anyone here questioning Boals salary might want to re-evaluate today what we are paying Timmy Albin.

Boals>Timmy
This dumb.
Did you think Boals was over paid after back to back losses last seasons in January to BG and Buffalo. Or when his team got thumped in Oxford by a bad Miami team in late February?
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GraffZ06
10/15/2023 4:21 PM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
With all the madness taking place related to NIL deals (which nobody related to Athens can even closely meet), I think that we will be glad that we continue to have a talented and respected coach with such a long legacy with the Bobcats that creates a sense of stability and structure. In other words, Coach Boals is a steal.
He's smart and personable. Active with the fans, recruits and community. He's an alum and tremendous ambassador for our University. And he's young enough to be/stay here awhile *knock on wood*.

Take all those intangibles and then add in the fact he's first or tied for first amongst MAC coaches during his tenure in:

MAC tournament wins
MAC tournament winning pct
NCAA appearances
NCAA wins
NBA players

Which means he's also the top PERFORMING coach in the league.

Add it up and you pay the man whatever he wants, up to breaking the Athens piggy-bank.
Last Edited: 10/15/2023 4:35:08 PM by GraffZ06
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Deciduous Forest Cat
10/15/2023 4:23 PM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
Anyone here questioning Boals salary might want to re-evaluate today what we are paying Timmy Albin.

Boals>Timmy
This dumb.
Did you think Boals was over paid after back to back losses last seasons in January to BG and Buffalo. Or when his team got thumped in Oxford by a bad Miami team in late February?
Don't take the bait on this garbage post.
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Bobcat1996
10/15/2023 8:21 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Anyone here questioning Boals salary might want to re-evaluate today what we are paying Timmy Albin.

Boals>Timmy
This dumb.
Did you think Boals was over paid after back to back losses last seasons in January to BG and Buffalo. Or when his team got thumped in Oxford by a bad Miami team in late February?
Don't take the bait on this garbage post.
You guys must not care that Boals and Ohio dropped games to BG and Buffalo back to back in early January 2022. Dropped consecutive games to Kent and Toledo a few weeks later. Lost to a mediocre Eastern Michigan team a few weeks later. Then loses to a really bad Miami team in late February 2022. Ohio has a great record in the Convo, but isn't Boals paid top dollar to get a few wins away from the Convo. And I'm not including Detroit Mercy. Ohio regularly schedules more home games than away games. This season is prime example. Only two true road games. I think Boals is a good coach, but he is given top money in the league to be the best. Four other coaches have better conference records than Boals in his four seasons in Athens. According to you guys the regular season is garbage and only three games in March matter. Tell that to season ticket holders. Since Boals is paid way more than other conference coaches, shouldn't you expect more? According to most posters on this website. Evidently not!
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Bobcat1996
10/15/2023 8:34 PM
Boals is good for Ohio and a nice coach, but some of you seem satisfied in winning only a three game league tournament in March. Throw out the regular season and what happens before March. Coach Boals is paid for the entire season, not just for three games in March. And since he is the top paid coach in the league, if those three games in March matter the most, shouldn't Ohio do better than just win one league tourney in four seasons. Maybe some of you are satisfied with that performance?
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FearLeon
10/16/2023 8:43 AM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
Boals is good for Ohio and a nice coach, but some of you seem satisfied in winning only a three game league tournament in March. Throw out the regular season and what happens before March. Coach Boals is paid for the entire season, not just for three games in March. And since he is the top paid coach in the league, if those three games in March matter the most, shouldn't Ohio do better than just win one league tourney in four seasons. Maybe some of you are satisfied with that performance?

If you don’t think Boals hasn't delivered in his first four years, I can’t help you. And there’s not a fan base around that doesn’t get pissed at their coach for bad losses / runs. With that said, Boals is light years better than Saul and Jim Christian.That should make all of us happy. And I guess people want to conveniently forget that Boals lost his two best players last season to two top-10 programs and we were still one win away from playing for an NCAA tourney berth.

And don’t blame Boals that the sport puts more onus on 3 games in March vs the other 27. That’s an issue we have to deal with in modern college hoops. And by the way…I keep seeing people saying Boals has won just one league tourney in four years. Umm….year one was dealing with cleaning up the shitcapade of Saul’s mess. And Boals did not get a chance at MAC Tourney in year one because of Covid. And I hate to break it to you, but Boals would have made a March run that year with that team. Ohio was clicking heading into Cleveland in 2020. And by the way, if somebody told you that Ohio would make the NCAA tournament once every four years in a one-bid league would you not sign up for that? How many NCAA tourney’s did Saul and Jimmy C make? Oh wait…I forgot..Jimmy C tied for a regular season championship when he was given they keys to an absolute Rolls-Royce of a roster...one of the greatest rosters in Ohio history. And no doubt the college basketball world remembers those 14 regular season MAC wins in 2013-2014 and shared conference crown over Ohio’s NCAA tourney wins over Georgetown, Michigan, South Florida, Virginia and a Sweet 16 OT loss to Roy’s boys and UNC.

Meanwhile. Football. This was supposed to be a “historic season” and unlike hoops the whole season matters since it’s so short AND a great season could mean a possible G5 playoff spot or New Years Six Bowl. See Northern Illinois and Western Michigan for “historical” MAC New Years Six Bowl football perspective. But even taking that away the fact this program has not won a MAC title since 1968 is pure insanity. But sure…go ahead and keep telling me Boals isn’t worth his salary. I’ll hang up and listen.
Last Edited: 10/16/2023 9:08:46 AM by FearLeon
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shabamon
10/16/2023 9:02 AM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
Boals is good for Ohio and a nice coach, but some of you seem satisfied in winning only a three game league tournament in March. Throw out the regular season and what happens before March. Coach Boals is paid for the entire season, not just for three games in March. And since he is the top paid coach in the league, if those three games in March matter the most, shouldn't Ohio do better than just win one league tourney in four seasons. Maybe some of you are satisfied with that performance?
Would ANYONE on this board trade Ohio's accolades since, oh, the 2010 season for Toledo's? Anyone?
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mid70sbobcat
10/16/2023 4:19 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Boals is good for Ohio and a nice coach, but some of you seem satisfied in winning only a three game league tournament in March. Throw out the regular season and what happens before March. Coach Boals is paid for the entire season, not just for three games in March. And since he is the top paid coach in the league, if those three games in March matter the most, shouldn't Ohio do better than just win one league tourney in four seasons. Maybe some of you are satisfied with that performance?

With that said, Boals is light years better than Saul and Jim Christian.That should make all of us happy.

And by the way…I keep seeing people saying Boals has won just one league tourney in four years. Umm….year one was dealing with cleaning up the shitcapade of Saul’s mess.

So inheriting Vander Plas, Dartis and Preston was a liability? Okay, whatever.
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Bobcat1996
10/16/2023 5:16 PM
"Umm….year one was dealing with cleaning up the shitcapade of Saul’s mess. And Boals did not get a chance at MAC Tourney in year one because of Covid. And I hate to break it to you, but Boals would have made a March run that year with that team. Ohio was clicking heading into Cleveland in 2020."

That 2020 season you were talking about the Bobcats basketball team finished last in the East and ended up an 8 seed. Pretty confident that an eighth seeded team would win three games in Cleveland. But maybe that could have happened? Maybe Coach Solich would have won a few "tournament championships" if he were given a second opportunity. However, in football, every games counts. Not just what happens over a one week period at the end of the season. I don't recall any of Solich's Ohio football teams finishing last in the east and being given another shot to still compete for a championship. I also don't recall any of his teams ending up as a fifth seed and being able to compete for a championship. In football, your school has to win an East division championship before you can end up in Detroit. They don't invite teams to the party who don't win the east or west divisions. When is the last time that Ohio ended up the top team in the East? Probably when Boals was playing? I realize east and west divisons no longer exist in basketball, but is has been years since Ohio was the top team in the East. But in basketball you can finish in the bottom half of the standings and still be fortunate enough to keep playing in March.
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FearLeon
10/16/2023 6:25 PM
Bobcat1996 wrote:expand_more
"Umm….year one was dealing with cleaning up the shitcapade of Saul’s mess. And Boals did not get a chance at MAC Tourney in year one because of Covid. And I hate to break it to you, but Boals would have made a March run that year with that team. Ohio was clicking heading into Cleveland in 2020."

That 2020 season you were talking about the Bobcats basketball team finished last in the East and ended up an 8 seed. Pretty confident that an eighth seeded team would win three games in Cleveland. But maybe that could have happened? Maybe Coach Solich would have won a few "tournament championships" if he were given a second opportunity. However, in football, every games counts. Not just what happens over a one week period at the end of the season. I don't recall any of Solich's Ohio football teams finishing last in the east and being given another shot to still compete for a championship. I also don't recall any of his teams ending up as a fifth seed and being able to compete for a championship. In football, your school has to win an East division championship before you can end up in Detroit. They don't invite teams to the party who don't win the east or west divisions. When is the last time that Ohio ended up the top team in the East? Probably when Boals was playing? I realize east and west divisons no longer exist in basketball, but is has been years since Ohio was the top team in the East. But in basketball you can finish in the bottom half of the standings and still be fortunate enough to keep playing in March.
I'll allow others to point out how bad this take is. But since you brought up 2020, Ohio ended up winning 7 of its last 10 games before Cleveland was canceled. Did I ever say that Ohio was going to win the tournament in 2020? No I did not. I said they were poised to make a "run". If you know anything about Ohio basketball and watched that first Boals team down the stretch, you would know they would have had a shot. The fact that Boals team went 17-15 in year one was a miracle in itself.

I won't even get into your ridiculous Solich and Ohio football takes. I'll let others pick that apart. But for now, I'll enjoy the NCAA Tournament win banner Boals has hanging in the Convo. You enjoy those zero MAC titles that Frank brought you, but hey, at least you can stare at those two Famous Idaho Potato bowl trophies.
Last Edited: 10/16/2023 6:30:31 PM by FearLeon
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Bobcat1996
10/16/2023 8:22 PM
"I won't even get into your ridiculous Solich and Ohio football takes. I'll let others pick that apart. But for now, I'll enjoy the NCAA Tournament win banner Boals has hanging in the Convo. You enjoy those zero MAC titles that Frank brought you, but hey, at least you can stare at those two Famous Idaho Potato bowl trophies.
Last Edited: 10/16/2023 6:30:31 PM by FearLeon"

It is obvious you don't care much for Bobcat football. What I have stated above about Boals and his four year record at Ohio is fact. I have no problem with Coach Boals as the coach in Athens. He was a great hire. I am not saying Boals should be the lowest paid coach in the league. I have never said that. However, I do have some concerns that he is the highest paid coach in the league, when four other league coaches had better league records than him the past four years. All the facts I stated above are correct. If you are willing to disregard the months of November, December, January and February and only care about three basketball games in March, then that is up to you. Coach Solich took over a football program in far worse shape than what Boals inherited. This university has always put a priority on basketball. The Convo is the largest and top arena in the conference and one of the best in the midwest. The same can not be said about Peden Stadium. Solich led Ohio to 11 bowl appearances and reshaped the Bobcat football program from the dark days to what it is now, before retiring. Solich left Ohio as the all time winningest coach in conference history. When Solich retired, at least four other league coaches were paid more than him. Heading into the 2023 football season, Ohio was third behind Toledo and NI in MAC win percentage the last ten seasons. Solich was a huge part of that success. Ohio basketball hasn't been the third best in conference win percentage the last ten seasons, but yet the university still pays top money for basketball coaches. And the "titles" you keep talking about are nice, even though schools can end up in the bottom half of the league and still earn a "tournament championship." No football program can participate in a "league tourney" if they don't win their respective division. No second chances in football for ending up 5th, 6th or 8th best in the conference.
Last Edited: 10/16/2023 8:36:16 PM by Bobcat1996
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OhioCatFan
10/16/2023 9:27 PM
mid70sbobcat wrote:expand_more
Boals is good for Ohio and a nice coach, but some of you seem satisfied in winning only a three game league tournament in March. Throw out the regular season and what happens before March. Coach Boals is paid for the entire season, not just for three games in March. And since he is the top paid coach in the league, if those three games in March matter the most, shouldn't Ohio do better than just win one league tourney in four seasons. Maybe some of you are satisfied with that performance?

With that said, Boals is light years better than Saul and Jim Christian.That should make all of us happy.

And by the way…I keep seeing people saying Boals has won just one league tourney in four years. Umm….year one was dealing with cleaning up the shitcapade of Saul’s mess.

So inheriting Vander Plas, Dartis and Preston was a liability? Okay, whatever.
+1. Yes, Saul was a much better coach than some here want to acknowledge. Tony doesn't go down, we probably win the MAC, and Saul is still our coach. In the coaching profession sometimes the cookie doesn't crumble in fair ways.
Last Edited: 10/16/2023 9:27:38 PM by OhioCatFan
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/17/2023 9:06 AM
Saul was a better recruiter than Boals, it seems. But Boals is a much better in-game coach. The program really benefited from a couple of seasons of Boals getting to coach Saul's talent. Nice little confluence of events that led to an upset of UVA.

Boals has had success in the portal though -- Wilson, Carter, Hunter -- and that may be a better path forward in college basketball than traditional recruiting, where Boals hasn't had as many hits.
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FJC31
10/17/2023 9:51 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Saul was a better recruiter than Boals, it seems. But Boals is a much better in-game coach. The program really benefited from a couple of seasons of Boals getting to coach Saul's talent. Nice little confluence of events that led to an upset of UVA.

Boals has had success in the portal though -- Wilson, Carter, Hunter -- and that may be a better path forward in college basketball than traditional recruiting, where Boals hasn't had as many hits.
If Saul was a better recruiter, he’d still be here. He hit on Preston, Carter, BVP, and Dartis no doubt. He deserves credit on getting Kaminski and Simmons to transfer in. However, he didn’t really recruit the type of players needed to consistently compete in the MAC well. His teams weren’t athletic and reflected more on what he was doing at NDSU. You could also make a similar argument that his 2015-17 records benefited from inheriting Tony Campbell from JC.

Boals has had his misses for sure; but no way does Saul and his staff land recruits like AJB, EJ4, and more recently — Evans (assuming he signs).
Last Edited: 10/17/2023 10:07:15 AM by FJC31
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
10/17/2023 11:33 AM
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If Saul was a better recruiter, he’d still be here. He hit on Preston, Carter, BVP, and Dartis no doubt. He deserves credit on getting Kaminski and Simmons to transfer in.
This is a really good group of players. We won an NCAA tournament game with two of those guys as our best two guys, and one is currently a fringe NBA player and the other started in the ACC.

I like Brown and James, don't get me wrong. But everybody here would trade them for BVP, Preston, Carter, or Simmons, right?
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FJC31
10/17/2023 3:57 PM
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If Saul was a better recruiter, he’d still be here. He hit on Preston, Carter, BVP, and Dartis no doubt. He deserves credit on getting Kaminski and Simmons to transfer in.
This is a really good group of players. We won an NCAA tournament game with two of those guys as our best two guys, and one is currently a fringe NBA player and the other started in the ACC.

I like Brown and James, don't get me wrong. But everybody here would trade them for BVP, Preston, Carter, or Simmons, right?

It is a really good group of players. We got see the entirety or most of their careers. We’ve only seen a season of AJB and EJ4. So, it’s tough to compare just yet. I forgot to include Sears on the Boals list as well. If we’re going to include Simmons as a transfer into the discussion, we should be including Dwight/Jaylin.

Both have had their swings and misses but I’m not sure I’d say one is better than the other just yet.
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JSF
10/17/2023 8:30 PM
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We have a football team?
Still?
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FJC31
10/20/2023 10:49 AM
ESPN+ CBB preview about coach hot seats and up next candidates; lists Boals yet again as a P5 candidate, in spite of being two years removed from our last tourney experience. I think it speaks volumes about what the CBB landscape sees in Boals and why we pay him a premium as our HC in comparison to others in the MAC.
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FearLeon
10/27/2023 2:13 PM
For those who think regular season championships are more meaningful and long-lasting than winning the MAC Tournament and making a trip to the NCAA Tournament.....here is another reason why the regular season championship doesn't mean much. It's now going to take a lot for the MAC regular season champion to even get an NIT bid moving forward.


https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1717965695961477495
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FJC31
10/27/2023 2:25 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
For those who think regular season championships are more meaningful and long-lasting than winning the MAC Tournament and making a trip to the NCAA Tournament.....here is another reason why the regular season championship doesn't mean much. It's now going to take a lot for the MAC regular season champion to even get an NIT bid moving forward.


https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1717965695961477495
The NCAA really needs to stop trying to make March basketball for the 9th best team in P6 conferences a thing.
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OhioCatFan
10/27/2023 4:01 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
For those who think regular season championships are more meaningful and long-lasting than winning the MAC Tournament and making a trip to the NCAA Tournament.....here is another reason why the regular season championship doesn't mean much. It's now going to take a lot for the MAC regular season champion to even get an NIT bid moving forward.


https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1717965695961477495
This is not going over well in the Xverse. They may have just shot themselves in the foot with even lower viewership than previously.
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