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Posted: 4/29/2013 2:31 PM
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Welcome to real college sports.

We know you think everything should stay at high school prices, but this is what happens in the real world.


In the real world companies are maximizing efficiencies, cutting costs and bringing expenditures in line with actual revenue.  In a situation where subsidies whether from tax payers or tuition and fee paying students feed the beast, the beast will grow as large as it's allowed to grow.

Don't get me wrong.  I enjoy going to games and the multitude of performances at OU.  It is high quality inexpensive entertainment.   And I'm very appreciative of the student subsidies that reduce my ticket price.  Someday soon this will probably come to a screeching halt and we'll either have to pay the true cost of this entertainment or stay home and hope we can watch it on TV.




First thing, your ticket price is not subsidized by student fees.  The student's get in for free.  Regardless of whether or not the department took student fees has no impact on your ticket price. 


Have to disagree with you on this one.  If the student fee revenue stream did not exist, the department would not be able to maintain the current level of expenditures.  They would either have to make drastic cuts or raise additional revenue.  The most likely source of that additional revenue would be ticket prices.  Because of student fees you and I are able to buy tickets for very reasonable prices.


And if the State of Ohio didn't chip in 100 million dollars to OU a year tuition would be 5,000 more. Welcome to the land of hypotheticals. Incidentally student fees have always been indexed with the % tuition increase so its not like that genie can go back into the bottle.


Ding ding ding...The fact that the student fee subsidizes the athletic department's budget have no impact on ticket prices.  Ticket prices are a result of a thing called supply and demand.  If they took the student fee away the athletic department would not put a per seat donation on every season ticket sold in football and basketball to make up for the subsidy going away.  Why? Because of a thing called Price Elasticity, which in simple terms as it relates to demand is if I raise my price, how much less will I sell? 

So in conclusion, the Swanksters theory on his season ticket prices being cheap because of the subsidy is bogus.  If the athletic department felt they could raise prices and continue to sell the same amount, more or at least come out ahead, they would do it.  That is why they are doing it for four sections where the demand is so high that they are confident they will come out ahead.  For further proof: see the lack of price increase on the gold section that has less demand.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 2:56 PM
VOR, this makes absolutely no sense.  If the budget is $20 million and you take away $10 million where are you going to come up with the other $10 million to continue operations?  You'd have to increase fundraising, sponsorships or ticket prices or some combination thereof.

As for your gold section comment, the contribution on those went up from $50 to $75 for next year.  And finally, not all season tickets require a per seat contribution.  Only black, platinum, gold and silver requrie that.

Do us all a favor and argue the points rather than with the poster.  As it is now, I could offer you $100 for nothing and you'd find a reason to argue with me on that.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 7:49 PM
I think I've figured out the essence of Alan's argument:

1.  If student fees didn't support Ohio football, we couldn't afford an FBS team.
2.  If Ohio dropped down to FCS, non-scholarship, or Div III, the demand for tickets would go down.
3.  Therefore, student fees are directly correlated with ticket prices.

Kind of make sense when you look at it that way.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 7:56 PM
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I think I've figured out the essence of Alan's argument:

1.  If student fees didn't support Ohio football, we couldn't afford an FBS team.
2.  If Ohio dropped down to FCS, non-scholarship, or Div III, the demand for tickets would go down.
3.  Therefore, student fees are directly correlated with ticket prices.

Kind of make sense when you look at it that way.


OK, this is the basketball forum, so just substitute basketball for football in the above.  Same argument, but I think Alan would be more happy seeing his logic extended to the gridiron sport rather than the hardwood one.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 9:47 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I think I've figured out the essence of Alan's argument:

1.  If student fees didn't support Ohio football, we couldn't afford an FBS team.
2.  If Ohio dropped down to FCS, non-scholarship, or Div III, the demand for tickets would go down.
3.  Therefore, student fees are directly correlated with ticket prices.

Kind of make sense when you look at it that way.


OK, this is the basketball forum, so just substitute basketball for football in the above.  Same argument, but I think Alan would be more happy seeing his logic extended to the gridiron sport rather than the hardwood one.


Actually not my Grover Center, Beacon School, Athens Middle School friend.  My seats for basketball are way more subsidized than my 50 yard line seats for football.  On a pro or big time college level, my basketball seats are way more expensive.
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Posted: 4/29/2013 11:45 PM
Pricing should simply be a product of supply and demand, meaning they find the pricing that optimizes revenues.  Hopefully the athletic department is making a smart move to do that, because that is what is best for the department.  Higher pricing does not always equal higher revenues, just ask the postal service.
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Posted: 4/30/2013 10:00 AM
Agree with the supply and demand.  But if someone drops out because of the increase, even when someone buys where they were seated who was already buying tickets, you still lose the one's money that dropped out.  I know there will be 6 platinum seats available center court.  Also 5 touchdown club seats.  Much easier and cheaper to go to chosen  games buying single game tickets.  After 19 years of coming, retirement, grand-kids and travel plans are more my priority now.  This increase made the choice easier.  Still a good value, but other things now come first. 
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Posted: 4/30/2013 4:02 PM
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VOR, this makes absolutely no sense.  If the budget is $20 million and you take away $10 million where are you going to come up with the other $10 million to continue operations?  You'd have to increase fundraising, sponsorships or ticket prices or some combination thereof.

As for your gold section comment, the contribution on those went up from $50 to $75 for next year.  And finally, not all season tickets require a per seat contribution.  Only black, platinum, gold and silver requrie that.

Do us all a favor and argue the points rather than with the poster.  As it is now, I could offer you $100 for nothing and you'd find a reason to argue with me on that.


It makes perfect sense, Alan.  Regardless of whether the student fee was there or not the athletic department would set their prices at the level they felt would maximize revenue.  If they aren't then they are idiots.  The more revenue they generate the more they have to work with in their budget.  They will always be trying to maximize all their revenue streams (sponsorships, donations, ticketing) because it brings more resources for the department.  If you think they are doing otherwise, you are an idiot! 

The $10M in student fees subsidy absolutely is necessary for the athletic department to function at the level it does.  If they did not have it they would be crippled, but the idea that they would be able to magically generate that $10M to maintain the level they are at is absurd.  Bottom line is that if the student fee were to go away the university would need to either decided to reallocate resources to continue to support the department or make the decision to drop football a level and possibly the entire athletic department as the sustainability of the department would be a huge questions.

Also, I am fully aware that all season tickets do not require seat donations.  I never said they did.  You want to know why they don't all have a seat donation?  Because the market will not support it!  If they threw a seat donation on every season ticket or increased the prices significantly they would lose a large number of season ticket holders and would ultimately lose revenue.  However, in select sections (Gold and platinum) they are able to make a significant increase because they are confident that the loss of season ticket holders will be more than offset by the increase in revenue from the people that remain.  They would not do it otherwise. 

Believe it or not, I do not argue with the poster.  I argue with the poster's points and 99% of the time I disagree with your points because they are driven by an agenda against the AD and are constructed to advance your agenda.  Any chance you get to be negative you take it.  This thread as an example, you started with the commentary on the percentage increase in price and an "Ouch!".  You are just trying to stir the pot and paint the department as blood suckers in the hopes that you can get some others to grab the pitchforks with you and take a stand.  You act like this is a huge deal when in reality it impacts four sections, a small percentage of season ticket holders, and most of which are willing to pay that premium for the outstanding seats and hospitality.  If you don't think it is worth it, don't buy it!  Get a season ticket in the gold section or the silver section.  Don't run to your computer an try to stir the pot.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 1:43 AM
Alan--VOR is mostly right.  Supply and demand generally determines seat pricing.

  Since students don't pay (well, don't come out of pocket distinctly) for their seats...they get in for free, right?...the only effect that students can have is if they demand a lot of seats, thereby limiting seats available for others.

That students are charged an activity fee is not really relevant.  I'm assuming that the activity fee is mandatory and essentially looked on as a part of tuition and not particularly felt by the students as a fee for game tickets.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 4:57 PM
In the end it means shelling out another 400 clams. Just pony up.
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Posted: 5/1/2013 11:54 PM
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In the end it means shelling out another 400 clams. Just pony up.


Yup - "Ponying Up" alright. Two way street. Just hope they "Pony Up" w/my supposedly primo parking space when I pull into the lot couple minutes before game start after 1+ hour drive (NOT on multiple games last couple years). Hope they "Pony Up" and fix my dilapidating seat condition (front row has been beginning to "collapse" for couple years). Hope they "Pony Up" and win the full slate of "Gee I'm trying to get excited about playing this has been/but not now/"where exactly is this school"/"Is this a D1 School?" OOC home schedule.

The expectation bar is raised - for all concerned - let's have at it! 
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Posted: 5/2/2013 12:11 PM
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In the end it means shelling out another 400 clams. Just pony up.


Yup - "Ponying Up" alright. Two way street. Just hope they "Pony Up" w/my supposedly primo parking space when I pull into the lot couple minutes before game start after 1+ hour drive (NOT on multiple games last couple years). Hope they "Pony Up" and fix my dilapidating seat condition (front row has been beginning to "collapse" for couple years). Hope they "Pony Up" and win the full slate of "Gee I'm trying to get excited about playing this has been/but not now/"where exactly is this school"/"Is this a D1 School?" OOC home schedule.

The expectation bar is raised - for all concerned - let's have at it! 


The seats are in bad condition!!!  Last game I went to, the cover was off, the foam picked or worn off and I sat on a metal wire that went across the seat.  Was not the most comfortable seat I've ever had.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 2:15 PM
I can testify that there is a seat in Section 1, Row F that has dog hair all over it.

*shifty eyes*

But I don't really mind paying the extra $$ to sit there again next season.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 6:48 PM
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Much easier and cheaper to go to chosen  games buying single game tickets.  After 19 years of coming, retirement, grand-kids and travel plans are more my priority now.  This increase made the choice easier.  Still a good value, but other things now come first. 


Cost-wise, you're still much better off with season tickets. Not necessarily of the platinum or touchdown club variety, but with most of the mid-level locations you'll save money by only attending a couple games. The $30 and $35 ticket prices for football especially make season tickets the biggest steal around.
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Posted: 5/2/2013 7:48 PM
Budgets are stated as Total Revenue which is the student fee+ game and conference revenues. The Ohio budget for 2011-12 was 28.7 million (20.9 for fee, 7.8 for revenues). The expenses for Ohio athletics were only 19.1 million and out of that scholarships were 6.4 million. Actual operating costs then are 12.7 million against 9.6 million in revenue. The question is could Ohio survive at the D1 level without a student fee? Its possible but it would be very tight. Coaching salaries would have to be slashed by half across the board and Ohio would have to load up on money games in basketball and football while maintaining revenue. Marshall is operating on 11.1 mil against 9.7 mil in revenue. If you look at West Virginia they are at 19 mil operating against 51.1 mil in revenue. Those schools in AQ leagues aren't spending that much more than Ohio but they make a ton of revenue off football.
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Posted: 5/15/2013 11:12 AM
OBC news letter this week went over all of the increases for those of you that are curious.  It is on the website as well.
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Posted: 7/14/2013 7:16 PM
Does anyone know what the school is charging next year for single game tickets? On another note if you think Ohio's tickets are cheap the Detroit Pistons have a season ticket package that starts at $299 for 41 games. That is less than the total price for platinum seats at the Convo next year. We have to face the fact that their is going to be some cheap seats in the Convo. The ticket potential of the Convo though is pretty huge given that your selling fans on a near NBA level experience. 50 dollars for a weekend basketball ticket when school is in session is not unimaginable.
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Posted: 7/14/2013 7:52 PM
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Does anyone know what the school is charging next year for single game tickets? On another note if you think Ohio's tickets are cheap the Detroit Pistons have a season ticket package that starts at $299 for 41 games. That is less than the total price for platinum seats at the Convo next year. We have to face the fact that their is going to be some cheap seats in the Convo. The ticket potential of the Convo though is pretty huge given that your selling fans on a near NBA level experience. 50 dollars for a weekend basketball ticket when school is in session is not unimaginable.
What is a "near NBA level experience"?
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Posted: 7/14/2013 8:12 PM
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Does anyone know what the school is charging next year for single game tickets? On another note if you think Ohio's tickets are cheap the Detroit Pistons have a season ticket package that starts at $299 for 41 games. That is less than the total price for platinum seats at the Convo next year. We have to face the fact that their is going to be some cheap seats in the Convo. The ticket potential of the Convo though is pretty huge given that your selling fans on a near NBA level experience. 50 dollars for a weekend basketball ticket when school is in session is not unimaginable.


What is a "near NBA level experience"?


Its an arena experience where you have 2 tier seating up to the ceiling on all sides and 10,000+ seats. The Convo is close enough to an NBA level experience where charging for it can be justified whereas I don't think you can charge NFL prices as some want to see in Peden Stadium with the condition of the bathrooms and concessions. Yet there is never any talk on here that Convo prices are too low like there is for Peden.
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Posted: 7/14/2013 9:02 PM
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Does anyone know what the school is charging next year for single game tickets? On another note if you think Ohio's tickets are cheap the Detroit Pistons have a season ticket package that starts at $299 for 41 games. That is less than the total price for platinum seats at the Convo next year. We have to face the fact that their is going to be some cheap seats in the Convo. The ticket potential of the Convo though is pretty huge given that your selling fans on a near NBA level experience. 50 dollars for a weekend basketball ticket when school is in session is not unimaginable.


What is a "near NBA level experience"?


Its an arena experience where you have 2 tier seating up to the ceiling on all sides and 10,000+ seats. The Convo is close enough to an NBA level experience where charging for it can be justified whereas I don't think you can charge NFL prices as some want to see in Peden Stadium with the condition of the bathrooms and concessions. Yet there is never any talk on here that Convo prices are too low like there is for Peden.
The Convo is no where near an NBA Experience, the halls, concessions and restrooms scream 1970. The smallest NBA Arena is a full 25% larger and last time I was in the building I had a seat with all the stuffing gone and bare wires exposed and my wife sat in a seat that was cracked all through the backrest. Not to mention that the Convocation center is the 5th largest arena in the state of Ohio for college basketball, add in the scoreboards and video boards sit along a wall and are almost always obstructed.

Please do not get me wrong I love the old lady, but to say near NBA experience?
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Posted: 7/14/2013 9:35 PM
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Does anyone know what the school is charging next year for single game tickets? On another note if you think Ohio's tickets are cheap the Detroit Pistons have a season ticket package that starts at $299 for 41 games. That is less than the total price for platinum seats at the Convo next year. We have to face the fact that their is going to be some cheap seats in the Convo. The ticket potential of the Convo though is pretty huge given that your selling fans on a near NBA level experience. 50 dollars for a weekend basketball ticket when school is in session is not unimaginable.


What is a "near NBA level experience"?


Its an arena experience where you have 2 tier seating up to the ceiling on all sides and 10,000+ seats. The Convo is close enough to an NBA level experience where charging for it can be justified whereas I don't think you can charge NFL prices as some want to see in Peden Stadium with the condition of the bathrooms and concessions. Yet there is never any talk on here that Convo prices are too low like there is for Peden.


The Convo is no where near an NBA Experience, the halls, concessions and restrooms scream 1970. The smallest NBA Arena is a full 25% larger and last time I was in the building I had a seat with all the stuffing gone and bare wires exposed and my wife sat in a seat that was cracked all through the backrest. Not to mention that the Convocation center is the 5th largest arena in the state of Ohio for college basketball, add in the scoreboards and video boards sit along a wall and are almost always obstructed.

Please do not get me wrong I love the old lady, but to say near NBA experience?


I said near but I'm leaving interpretation as to what that means. It could be 75% of an NBA experience compared with Peden which feels like a minor league baseball stadium. Does the Convo need some work definitely but the point is there is potential. The arena was only 53.5% full on average last season. The program is just getting started with JC the first basketball coach ever hired with previous D1 head coaching experience. There is a lot of upside with that facility. 
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Posted: 7/14/2013 11:34 PM
More "travelling"? To/Fro, and on the court?
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Posted: 7/16/2013 10:25 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
Does anyone know what the school is charging next year for single game tickets? On another note if you think Ohio's tickets are cheap the Detroit Pistons have a season ticket package that starts at $299 for 41 games. That is less than the total price for platinum seats at the Convo next year. We have to face the fact that their is going to be some cheap seats in the Convo. The ticket potential of the Convo though is pretty huge given that your selling fans on a near NBA level experience. 50 dollars for a weekend basketball ticket when school is in session is not unimaginable.


What is a "near NBA level experience"?


Its an arena experience where you have 2 tier seating up to the ceiling on all sides and 10,000+ seats. The Convo is close enough to an NBA level experience where charging for it can be justified whereas I don't think you can charge NFL prices as some want to see in Peden Stadium with the condition of the bathrooms and concessions. Yet there is never any talk on here that Convo prices are too low like there is for Peden.


The Convo is no where near an NBA Experience, the halls, concessions and restrooms scream 1970. The smallest NBA Arena is a full 25% larger and last time I was in the building I had a seat with all the stuffing gone and bare wires exposed and my wife sat in a seat that was cracked all through the backrest. Not to mention that the Convocation center is the 5th largest arena in the state of Ohio for college basketball, add in the scoreboards and video boards sit along a wall and are almost always obstructed.

Please do not get me wrong I love the old lady, but to say near NBA experience?


I said near but I'm leaving interpretation as to what that means. It could be 75% of an NBA experience compared with Peden which feels like a minor league baseball stadium. Does the Convo need some work definitely but the point is there is potential. The arena was only 53.5% full on average last season. The program is just getting started with JC the first basketball coach ever hired with previous D1 head coaching experience. There is a lot of upside with that facility. 


I agree with you regarding the Convo's potential, and I hear your point.  It's probably just semantics, but perhaps we should aspire to have a "high major" experience first before we look at having an NBA experience. 

Note - by high major, I'm referring to a building that says all over it, including concourses  & restrooms, that you're at Ohio University.  A building that has either a center court scoreboard, or at least big scoreboards up high off the floor, along with a sound & light system more modern than 1985.  A building that fills in the big gaps behind the baskets with seats for Students.  These are things that most Big Ten, ACC, Big East, Big 12, PAC 12, etc, Arena's have.    (this is my little wish list of things to improve to begin with)

After that, maybe we can aspire for an NBA experience.
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Posted: 7/19/2013 7:36 AM
Seats for students surrounding the baskets for me is a must.  Anything to create a more intimidating environment.  I am surprised bleachers have not been installed in these areas.
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Posted: 7/19/2013 8:12 AM
To those complaining about the condition of the seats: could it be that these extra funds from the seat contributions will be put toward new seats? Just a thought, maybe they've done some research and decided it's time.
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