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Posted: 8/29/2013 9:26 AM
Sometimes when something seems to good to be true....it is.

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Posted: 8/29/2013 10:12 AM
What a dufus.
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Posted: 8/29/2013 10:30 AM
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He wasn't arrested. I doubt he's even ever been to Seattle. 


Maybe he took online classes when he went to Franklin and Rainier Beach High School to avoid ever stepping into the city limits?
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Posted: 8/29/2013 12:03 PM
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Quote of the article is "we wish him the best in his future endeavors". Hasnt this been covered before?


As I've said before, this sentence is so univerally used in these situations that it makes you think there's a handbook somewhere telling coaches what to say when someone leaves.  It's pretty funny, actually.
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Posted: 8/29/2013 12:06 PM
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. My point is that you can't rip Christian for taking a chance on a highly skilled player with off court issues when Groce did the exact same thing. Did it work out for Groce? I'd say so. Sure, Armon ended up not graduating... He also led us on a magical run and helped set in motion a series of events that led to Groce getting paid.
 



I have no doubt JG would take Armon over  and over. I have done the smae thing in my life in choosing to see the good in people to a fault

The problem is that with the idea that it was OK in the first place. Is that where collegiate athletics are headed or maybe already are? That it is ok to take guys who have misplaced priorites and suspect character in order to justify a tourney run? Who knows without the influence of one character in the locker room and off the court how good a team we could have had with Coleman and Kinney and how much more the 5 frosh sitting in the apratment listening to that brand of leadership could have been? They had a great run but you are not going to convince me that they would not have been better without some of the stuff that he brought to hte table.

I do not think justifying it no matter who the HC is an effective strategy. YOu folks are alums....you have a better idea of what your OU degree means to you. If sharing that  collegiate experiencewith guys like the ones you ridiculed at Can't is OK then it is easy to say the same for supporting the talent > sins concept. I suspect , as a group of fans we would rather identify with Butler, Gonzaga, VCU than Can't or the Bluebloods of college basketball that condone "Athetes Gone Wild"

Personally, I am gonna rip every coach who does not do the right thing. it affects the experience of 14 other players and denigrates the quality of the institution. I  believe in reform and giving guys 2nd chances but I tend to check in often and pull the chain very tightly. JG clearly did not see that as his role. Jury is still out on JC. .

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Posted: 8/29/2013 12:16 PM
I agree with borna that second chances should be available, but with high accountability, supervision, and mentoring.  That should be made clear up front, and if the young man is not willing to submit to that, he should not be brought in to the program. 
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Posted: 8/29/2013 12:31 PM
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I agree with borna that second chances should be available, but with high accountability, supervision, and mentoring.  That should be made clear up front, and if the young man is not willing to submit to that, he should not be brought in to the program. 


Which sounds like the situation in this case.  As Borna said, the jury is still out.  But the early deliberations appear positive.  We'll see.
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Posted: 8/29/2013 1:31 PM
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I agree with borna that second chances should be available, but with high accountability, supervision, and mentoring.  That should be made clear up front, and if the young man is not willing to submit to that, he should not be brought in to the program. 


Which sounds like the situation in this case.  As Borna said, the jury is still out.  But the early deliberations appear positive.  We'll see.


Right, I guess we don't know the situation with Adams, but it seems possible that he came to Ohio under the stipulation that even the slightest slip-up meant he was gone, and then that held to. But then again, there is a lot that is unknown about this situation as far as why he didn't last at Kansas or here.
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Posted: 8/29/2013 2:47 PM
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A history of Anrio Adams-

08-09 Freshman, Franklin High School with Peyton Siva of Lville. Wins state title.
09-10 Sophomore, Franklin High School. Team's leading scorer.
10-11 Junior, Franklin High School. Kicked off team early in season (effort). Attempts to transfer to South Kent HS in Connecticut, doesn't go (academics). Transfers to Garfield HS in Seattle to finish year.
Summer 2011- Transfers to St. Patrick HS in NJ, enrolls in summer classes, practices with team. Leaves before fall classes begin.
11-12 Senior, transfers to Ranier Beach HS in Seattle.

12-13 Freshman, University of Kansas
April 2013 Announces transfer from Kansas. Days later announces not transferring. Days later announces transfer closer to home.
June 16th 2013- Transfers to Ohio
August 28th 2013- Transfers from Ohio to Juco (TBD)

Rio, best of luck in your future endeavors.


I blame the NBA. 

Or, maybe I should say this is one of the reasons why Major League Baseball is better than basketball.  In MLB, this kid signs a minor league contract and goes and plays ball.  Nobody cares about any of this.  Maybe he makes it by the time he is 23 or 25.  But, he's getting paid to play.

To get to the NBA, he has to spend a few years taking Classics and World Religions classes. 

Why is this again?.....

Good luck to you Mr. Adams.  Sorry college is a basically a minimum occupational requirement for your sport.
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Posted: 8/29/2013 2:52 PM
let's be clear, the 1 year of college requirement has nothing to do with Rio not being in the NBA.
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Posted: 8/29/2013 6:25 PM
Ohio69 has a good point here. 3 major sports in this country (Baseball, Hockey, & Soccer) don't seem to give a crap if you go to college.

Why does the NBA & NFL? (A free minor league system and direct exposure for their draft possibly?)

I'm starting to think a solution to all of this non-educational, non-scholastic madness is to create a minor league system for the NBA & NFL. Athletes get paid their value, scholar athletes are both scholars and athletes, the NCAA product is diluted but provides parity and competition.

AND This football hungry nation gets more football!
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Posted: 8/29/2013 6:39 PM
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I have no doubt JG would take Armon over  and over.


I wonder what percentage of alumni would do the same.
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Posted: 8/29/2013 9:58 PM
I've never understood why the NFL doesn't add a minor league, college experience restrictions or not.  1 minor league team for each NFL team, meaning 32 more markets get football...and would still have a lot of recognizable names.  The US is obsessed with football, and fans of the big club would closely follow the happenings of their respective minor league team.  A Packers minor league team in Milwaukee, a Cowboys minor league team in Oklahoma City, etc. The league would generate solid revenues...And they could do away with the "scout team" nonsense and have a fresh set of players on the cheap ready to step up when a change is needed at the big club.

As for the NBA, eh I'm not so certain it would work as well.
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Posted: 8/30/2013 9:21 AM
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I've never understood why the NFL doesn't add a minor league...


Why pay for something you are already getting for free from the NCAA?
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Posted: 8/31/2013 10:12 PM
From what I understand the player's association is the place that the pressure to keep college in the mix. The other push comes from the teams inwho feel playing the year of college gives their organizations time to evaluate the talent. Having pro scouts at high school games is a logistical nightmare both in season and in summer ball

Football, has more to do with the physical maturity of a big school senior vs a 2nd year colleges athlete. who has been in the weight room, on a good diet and has been trained. There are still growth plates open in some of those he seniors and college frosh. Throwing them into a game with grown beasts is downright dangerous
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Posted: 8/31/2013 10:40 PM
It also has to do with finances.  Football and men's b-ball are the only sports that make any kind of money for college programs, largely because of TV money.  If 5-star players are allowed to be drafted, too many big programs would lose too many marquee players, which would hurt their marketability. 
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Posted: 9/1/2013 9:06 AM
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It also has to do with finances.  Football and men's b-ball are the only sports that make any kind of money for college programs, largely because of TV money.  If 5-star players are allowed to be drafted, too many big programs would lose too many marquee players, which would hurt their marketability. 


Is that actually a position you have heard overly or covertly discussed? I have often wondered if, from the ncaa side there is some pressure. My sourcess have it coming from the league and players association. It would be a money makert for sure but I have never been able to verify or heard anything from the ncaa or any member schools of the noon profit entity that they feel there would be a degraded product or a significant revenue loss. The NFL safety committee weighed in a few years back when the Ohio state kid tried to come out early. 

I have long been a proponent of letting them come out. I do not think we would lose one bit of competition or product quality. If a kid wants to enter the job market and skip college..... have at it.... If the y fail so what? Thousands of kids do it every day. We should not be artificially propping them up nor should we be happy with an aging veteran in the league protecting his job. 

If the issue is nba scouts surrounding high school kids let the nfhs be very clear on the rules of contact. We do not have to look after the members of a free society and ensure safeguards for their success. People in all walks of life succeed and fail every day without strict oversight- if the NFL has studies that shoe young men get really hurts when they get crushed by steroid laced 6'5 300lb linemen then put an age limit or even a medical opinion on whether they are ready for that contact
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Posted: 9/1/2013 1:12 PM
Your comments inspired me to join, I love this discussion.
Item: Our country is the only one with a school-based development system for basketball.  In every other country in the world players are brought up learning the game in basketball clubs.  No rules on where you pay taxes, how well you do in school or limits on coaching time you can receive.  (Tony Parker was making money playing in France at 14).  
Amateurism is an outmoded restrictive system which is only practiced in schools in America as a protection for revenues.
Our new standard for recruiting excellence in 17 and 18 year olds is the AAU, not high schools.  The NBA has seen a rise in foreign-born players every year for the past twelve years, at the expense of the college All-Americans, some of whom can't beat out the graduates of clubs from all over the world. (Many NBA coaches feel today's players don't get much fundamentals in the AAU programs; they're almost exclusively games, with little to no gym time for practice).  
The health club industry is booming.  Why not club basketball here in America? 
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Posted: 9/1/2013 2:58 PM
First post and the guy nails it. Welcome.
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Posted: 9/1/2013 5:14 PM
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First post and the guy nails it. Welcome.


I agree. Intelligent - Insightful - and Concise.
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Posted: 9/2/2013 9:10 AM
Since he never enrolled at Ohio and Christian is recommending a JuCo, is it possible that he was denied admission for some reason?
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Posted: 9/2/2013 10:13 AM
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Since he never enrolled at Ohio and Christian is recommending a JuCo, is it possible that he was denied admission for some reason?


No, he was taking classes in the second summer session.
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Posted: 9/2/2013 11:32 AM
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Your comments inspired me to join, I love this discussion.
Item: Our country is the only one with a school-based development system for basketball. In every other country in the world players are brought up learning the game in basketball clubs. No rules on where you pay taxes, how well you do in school or limits on coaching time you can receive. (Tony Parker was making money playing in France at 14).
Amateurism is an outmoded restrictive system which is only practiced in schools in America as a protection for revenues.
Our new standard for recruiting excellence in 17 and 18 year olds is the AAU, not high schools. The NBA has seen a rise in foreign-born players every year for the past twelve years, at the expense of the college All-Americans, some of whom can't beat out the graduates of clubs from all over the world. (Many NBA coaches feel today's players don't get much fundamentals in the AAU programs; they're almost exclusively games, with little to no gym time for practice).
The health club industry is booming. Why not club basketball here in America?
just wondering how these clubs are financed? It seems like it would be difficult to break the college control of bb, a lot of money involved for them, so how do you see breaking that monopoly?
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Posted: 9/3/2013 9:10 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Your comments inspired me to join, I love this discussion.
Item: Our country is the only one with a school-based development system for basketball. In every other country in the world players are brought up learning the game in basketball clubs. No rules on where you pay taxes, how well you do in school or limits on coaching time you can receive. (Tony Parker was making money playing in France at 14).
Amateurism is an outmoded restrictive system which is only practiced in schools in America as a protection for revenues.
Our new standard for recruiting excellence in 17 and 18 year olds is the AAU, not high schools. The NBA has seen a rise in foreign-born players every year for the past twelve years, at the expense of the college All-Americans, some of whom can't beat out the graduates of clubs from all over the world. (Many NBA coaches feel today's players don't get much fundamentals in the AAU programs; they're almost exclusively games, with little to no gym time for practice).
The health club industry is booming. Why not club basketball here in America?
just wondering how these clubs are financed? It seems like it would be difficult to break the college control of bb, a lot of money involved for them, so how do you see breaking that monopoly?

The NABC, the NCAA coaches' association, bills itself as "Guardians of the Game", and vows to advocate for issues that will benefit basketball, its players and its coaches.  If a national club system meets these criteria, and young players are afforded new opportunities for play, it seems that coaches and the NCAA would rally behind an upgrade which would keep AAU coaches Curtis Malone and Ernie Lorch away from our kids, and provide a stimulating competitive environment without the rules and restrictions currently in place in our "amateur" system.  It seems that a network of university-sponsored clubs (either on-campus or in nearby community) would 1) Give college coaches a better-trained player, 2) Give the coaches better control and recruiting advantage in the youth market surrounding each campus 3) With university backing, remove stigmas and provide credibility that only our NCAA could provide, 4) Keep college-trained ballplayers on our soil and competing past the age of 22 - It's not until late 20s that most players peak.

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Posted: 9/3/2013 12:12 PM
irish classic italian wrote:expand_more
Our new standard for recruiting excellence in 17 and 18 year olds is the AAU, not high schools...(Many NBA coaches feel today's players don't get much fundamentals in the AAU programs; they're almost exclusively games, with little to no gym time for practice).   


I'm not sure what the practice schedule is for older kids but my son (just entering 4th grade) has two or three two-hour practices a week, year round with his AAU team.  In the Winter/Spring they have tournaments about every other weekend and in the Fall they play one league game a week.  That's pretty typical for most AAU teams in my area (Washington DC).
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