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Posted: 1/14/2014 12:20 AM
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This game was what I expect a fite and you can't take that away from the boys no matter what is said about the state of this progrm because this is a game and games is meant to be play not fought and sometimes you lose witch is okay

I remmeber the day when this was not to be expectd things have changed and this team is in a new era under Christian and ill be damned if we just give up or in on this team

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best 6 years of my lie haha


Ummmm....settle down. I think this was an attempt (albeit poor) at sarcasm....
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I asked 2 of the 3 officials the same thing. He dribbles the ball with his hand directly on the bottom of the ball every single time. He wasn't as bad in the OT periods as he was in the 2nd half, but it was pretty obvious he was carrying it a lot.


The call against us came after Dambrot had been quietly working the officials on the sidelines throughout the game.  I saw him do the "carrying" sign 2-3 times in quiet conversations with an official late in the first half and early in the second.  He works the refs throughout every game, obviously with great success.  JC doesn't take the same approach when the ref is standing right next to him during the action.



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This game was what I expect a fite and you can't take that away from the boys no matter what is said about the state of this progrm because this is a game and games is meant to be play not fought and sometimes you lose witch is okay

I remmeber the day when this was not to be expectd things have changed and this team is in a new era under Christian and ill be damned if we just give up or in on this team

'cats 97
best 6 years of my lie haha


Are this guy and zipsfreak brothers?  Unbelievable.

I think they are cousins, and brothers...............



 

Or, more likely, the same person.

 
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Stevie's carry was beyond obvious even from the family section. There was a definite hesitation when the palm was up.  It seems as long as you stay in motion it hardly matters if you turn the ball up, but once you pause, even slightly, you're dead.
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So, now traveling is only called if one makes an overnight stop at a location?
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 Sure as Ohio U fans you will see the bobcats as the better team but in reality , and I learned this through several years of losing to Kent, if another team beats you in their place, your place, and in a neutral setting 4 times in a row they deserve a little respect.  


Best quote of this whole damn thread and it came from Akron.

I was so pissed Sunday night, really really pissed.  I had to keep it together as best I could in front of my 7 and 5 year old sons, but despite my efforts I am pretty sure I set a terrible example of being a mature sports fan.  We pissed away the game TWICE...Partly because we screwed some stuff up, partly because the refs made a couple stupid calls, and partly because Akron made some ridiculous plays when they had to.  All 3 of them infuriate me.  I hung around on the court after the game, and was so angry that watching the Akron players hug their families in delight made me want to smack them.  Again, model of maturity here.

But to rail on Akron as being a terrible team with no business beating us is embarrassing.  Imagine OWNING a rival team, being in the conference championship SEVEN straight seasons including destroying said rival the previous championship...and they have the nerve to act like beating us was a fluke?  Get real people.

That being said, I don't want to start sounding like the Optimist here but some of you are way too quick to label us average (I'm looking at you JSF).  We lost in double OT to the program that has dominated our conference the better part of a decade, 2 ranked teams in competitive games, and Oakland on the road.  I can see getting upset about Oakland, but Richmond, Northern Iowa, and Mercer are all top 100 type teams and good wins.

We have have room to improve, both individual players and working as a transformed unit from last year...And I believe our coaching staff and the determination of the guys on the court can make that happen.  We can make this right by going up to Akron and winning.
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i know im a highschooler have not gone to college 


 


Professors don't look too well on bad grammar.


Not to just pick on Logan - but this is about the 4th post discussing bad grammar from 'kron fans posts that..........includes bad grammar...........


 
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Sure as Ohio U fans you will see the bobcats as the better team but in reality , and I learned this through several years of losing to Kent, if another team beats you in their place, your place, and in a neutral setting 4 times in a row they deserve a little respect.


Best quote of this whole damn thread and it came from Akron.

I was so pissed Sunday night, really really pissed. I had to keep it together as best I could in front of my 7 and 5 year old sons, but despite my efforts I am pretty sure I set a terrible example of being a mature sports fan. We pissed away the game TWICE...Partly because we screwed some stuff up, partly because the refs made a couple stupid calls, and partly because Akron made some ridiculous plays when they had to. All 3 of them infuriate me. I hung around on the court after the game, and was so angry that watching the Akron players hug their families in delight made me want to smack them. Again, model of maturity here.

But to rail on Akron as being a terrible team with no business beating us is embarrassing. Imagine OWNING a rival team, being in the conference championship SEVEN straight seasons including destroying said rival the previous championship...and they have the nerve to act like beating us was a fluke? Get real people.

That being said, I don't want to start sounding like the Optimist here but some of you are way too quick to label us average (I'm looking at you JSF). We lost in double OT to the program that has dominated our conference the better part of a decade, 2 ranked teams in competitive games, and Oakland on the road. I can see getting upset about Oakland, but Richmond, Northern Iowa, and Mercer are all top 100 type teams and good wins.

We have have room to improve, both individual players and working as a transformed unit from last year...And I believe our coaching staff and the determination of the guys on the court can make that happen. We can make this right by going up to Akron and winning.
Akron winning the last 4 games has more to do with what we didn't do than what they did do. But give Akron respect? acknowledge their meager accomplishments? oh hellz nawh. #^#% Akron. The town, the school, their team, their fans, all of them. Akron sucks. forever and always. Go Bobcats!!
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OHIO 23/26 from the FT line. 'Kron 18-29. More penetration, inlet dishes, draw PF's on drives/turns to the rim and we win that spread even more - game difference. Need to risk the inlet to Mo pass deflect low percentage possibility for the upside of him getting the shot off and either +2 or +Free Throws and PF's on 'Kron. Speed of execution has to get better.

OHIO 5/20 from 3 pt line. 'Kron 9/15. Glue to/Hand in McAdams/Kretzer faces (especially Kretzer on the break down the side near end of the game) - game difference.

We can talk about Digg's, Tree, Jake drives, hooks in the paint, but we also lost opportunities w/above. Oh - and Diggs was 3-4 from 3 pt line............

Smaller guards - with low 3 pt %'s - need more assists.............not more shots from outside the arc. Remind anybody of last couple years? The big difference is at least DJ had a LOT of assists.

Get the ball to Mo in the paint - QUICK!

 
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That being said, I don't want to start sounding like the Optimist here but some of you are way too quick to label us average (I'm looking at you JSF).


I can go back to my previous opinion, we are below average, if you like.
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So, now traveling is only called if one makes an overnight stop at a location?

Hey - I got us one on Harney at the game. He got the ball right in front of me w/a ref also in earshot distance, and it was a fairly quite moment. I pretty loudly yelled "He's gonna walk" (I KNEW he would on the first step/s - he was ALL night long).

Sho'nuff he did right as he made his first step/s move, and the whistle blew! Cha-Ching!

 
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[QUOTE=UAfan] That being said, I don't want to start sounding like the Optimist here

Wise choice. People who try to break up my monopoly on optimism sometimes end up missing.
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Akron is better than Ohio right now.  How can we complain about Marshall fans not admitting that Ohio's football team has been better for 3 years in a row, yet not give Akron their due credit for winning 4 in a row? 

Ricardo's injury is going to cost the Cats a few games this season.  Sunday night was absolutely one of those games.  There is no way Diggs scores 20 if he is being guarded by Ricardo.  Stevie simply isn't big enough to guard him while being backed down.  I hate Akron, but they controlled the tempo and style of the game by winning the rebounding battle and taking advantage of mismatches with Diggs and Treadwell. 

While I don't think we match up well with them due to Johnson's absence from the lineup, If N'Dour can get the ball in the post a few more times and the 3 ball is shot at better than a 20% success ratio, Ohio can beat them.   
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Akron is better than Ohio right now.  How can we complain about Marshall fans not admitting that Ohio's football team has been better for 3 years in a row, yet not give Akron their due credit for winning 4 in a row? 

Ricardo's injury is going to cost the Cats a few games this season.  Sunday night was absolutely one of those games.  There is no way Diggs scores 20 if he is being guarded by Ricardo.  Stevie simply isn't big enough to guard him while being backed down.  I hate Akron, but they controlled the tempo and style of the game by winning the rebounding battle and taking advantage of mismatches with Diggs and Treadwell. 

While I don't think we match up well with them due to Johnson's absence from the lineup, If N'Dour can get the ball in the post a few more times and the 3 ball is shot at better than a 20% success ratio, Ohio can beat them.   


Well said Bobcat695 and I agree.  Woulda coulda shoulda.  Akron's beaten Ohio 4 times in a row, enough said.

Ohio's players are still learning how to mesh with each other and this was just their second game in the MAC season.  Barring more injuries this team could be jelling by MAC tourney time but there will be bumps in the road along the way.
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Akron is better than Ohio right now.  How can we complain about Marshall fans not admitting that Ohio's football team has been better for 3 years in a row, yet not give Akron their due credit for winning 4 in a row? 

Ricardo's injury is going to cost the Cats a few games this season.  Sunday night was absolutely one of those games.  There is no way Diggs scores 20 if he is being guarded by Ricardo.  Stevie simply isn't big enough to guard him while being backed down.  I hate Akron, but they controlled the tempo and style of the game by winning the rebounding battle and taking advantage of mismatches with Diggs and Treadwell. 

While I don't think we match up well with them due to Johnson's absence from the lineup, If N'Dour can get the ball in the post a few more times and the 3 ball is shot at better than a 20% success ratio, Ohio can beat them.   


I agree completely.  We also need Maurice to stay out of foul trouble in the first half.  Two straight games that he has sat on the bench for a majority of the first 20 min.


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Akron is better than Ohio right now.  How can we complain about Marshall fans not admitting that Ohio's football team has been better for 3 years in a row, yet not give Akron their due credit for winning 4 in a row? 

Ricardo's injury is going to cost the Cats a few games this season.  Sunday night was absolutely one of those games.  There is no way Diggs scores 20 if he is being guarded by Ricardo.  Stevie simply isn't big enough to guard him while being backed down.  I hate Akron, but they controlled the tempo and style of the game by winning the rebounding battle and taking advantage of mismatches with Diggs and Treadwell. 

While I don't think we match up well with them due to Johnson's absence from the lineup, If N'Dour can get the ball in the post a few more times and the 3 ball is shot at better than a 20% success ratio, Ohio can beat them.   


Completely agree.  Good post!
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It appears that JC's philosophy is to sit a player with two fouls in the first half. Examples being NDour the past two games. Not sure I agree but JC has a little more experience coaching college basketball than I do. It is a debate we've all heard while watching a televised game. I'm wondering what others on here think about this coaching philosophy.
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   Sure as Ohio U fans you will see the bobcats as the better team but in reality , and I learned this through several years of losing to Kent, if another team beats you in their place, your place, and in a neutral setting 4 times in a row they deserve a little respect.  Id rather say I was defeated by a good UA team in double OT than to say I was defeated by a terrible team with a lousy arena.  
    
   

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It appears that JC's philosophy is to sit a player with two fouls in the first half. Examples being NDour the past two games. Not sure I agree but JC has a little more experience coaching college basketball than I do. It is a debate we've all heard while watching a televised game. I'm wondering what others on here think about this coaching philosophy.


I don't like coaches that show no flexibility pulling the player for the rest of the half. I've always thought you can lose a game in the first half just as easily as you can in the second. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember JC bringing Kellogg and N'Dour back into the first half of games with two fouls.

In this case, I agreed with the approach. Ohio was staying in contact with Akron and actually went from down 5 when N'Dour left to down 1 at half. Given the challenge that Treadwell and the Akron rim-drivers provide, it's hard to hide on defense.
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Akron is better than Ohio right now.  How can we complain about Marshall fans not admitting that Ohio's football team has been better for 3 years in a row, yet not give Akron their due credit for winning 4 in a row? 

Ricardo's injury is going to cost the Cats a few games this season.  Sunday night was absolutely one of those games.  There is no way Diggs scores 20 if he is being guarded by Ricardo.  Stevie simply isn't big enough to guard him while being backed down.  I hate Akron, but they controlled the tempo and style of the game by winning the rebounding battle and taking advantage of mismatches with Diggs and Treadwell. 

While I don't think we match up well with them due to Johnson's absence from the lineup, If N'Dour can get the ball in the post a few more times and the 3 ball is shot at better than a 20% success ratio, Ohio can beat them.   


You just made everyone's head explode. Rational thinking on this board is not allowed. Especially when referring to Marshall and Akron.
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It appears that JC's philosophy is to sit a player with two fouls in the first half. Examples being NDour the past two games. Not sure I agree but JC has a little more experience coaching college basketball than I do. It is a debate we've all heard while watching a televised game. I'm wondering what others on here think about this coaching philosophy.


I don't like coaches that show no flexibility pulling the player for the rest of the half. I've always thought you can lose a game in the first half just as easily as you can in the second. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember JC bringing Kellogg and N'Dour back into the first half of games with two fouls.

In this case, I agreed with the approach. Ohio was staying in contact with Akron and actually went from down 5 when N'Dour left to down 1 at half. Given the challenge that Treadwell and the Akron rim-drivers provide, it's hard to hide on defense.


On a related note, when Ndour picked up his second foul in the Kent game, I wondered if he would be brought back in after the under-4 media timeout. We were playing well enough at least defensively that we didn't have to.
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I'd like to say that, 1) I really really really do not like Akron, and 2) I can not wait for February 22 because I am gonna to try my hardest to be at that game.

Go Ohio

 
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I have thought about it and don't take back my comments about Akron... Yeah, partially I'm just pissed that Dambrot managed to play possum yet again in the non-conference before suddenly finding some mental toughness for MAC play. That bothers me because it makes everyone look bad. His team showed very little in the pre-conf schedule (i.e. couldn't find their d*** with two hands and a flashlight any time they were going up against some talent).

But come on! I'm supposed to just say that Akron should come into the Convo and beat us just because they did last year, when that had Abreu? and that whiny 7-footer? They sure as hell didn't have that attitude when we returned an entire roster last year from the Sweet 16. I'm the first to admit Akron was better than Ohio last year and I still don't think they should ever come into our building and win. Exceptions do happen, but I'm sick and tired of Keith Dambrot running the frigging convo.

So, I call bull. This is a perfectly rant-worthy situation. I don't care if Akron beat us 20 times last year. Different Akron team, different year, different circumstances. Two games into the MAC season and we're as good as two games behind these clowns in the standings again because we couldn't do a single damn thing right when we had the lead.. at home!.  A thousand things had to happen perfectly in sequence for us to gack away that game and we made sure every damn one of them happened, perfectly in order.

On a separate note... good lord, if we don't have one of Kellogg or Wilkins hitting shots, we have NO outside game. I don't think anyone on this roster outside of those two should even be allowed to take a 3 at this point.  We can't be much better than 15% as a team outside of those two.
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Remember they did not have Diggs last year and he may be as good or better than Zeke or the drug pusher.  He will continue to be a nightmare match up for us.
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I asked 2 of the 3 officials the same thing. He dribbles the ball with his hand directly on the bottom of the ball every single time. He wasn't as bad in the OT periods as he was in the 2nd half, but it was pretty obvious he was carrying it a lot.


The call against us came after Dambrot had been quietly working the officials on the sidelines throughout the game.  I saw him do the "carrying" sign 2-3 times in quiet conversations with an official late in the first half and early in the second.  He works the refs throughout every game, obviously with great success.  JC doesn't take the same approach when the ref is standing right next to him during the action.




I disagree - JC gets on the refs. Maybe not as "vehemently" or "demonstrably" as some - but he gets their ear.
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