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Posted: 1/13/2014 10:23 AM
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This game was what I expect a fite and you can't take that away from the boys no matter what is said about the state of this progrm because this is a game and games is meant to be play not fought and sometimes you lose witch is okay

I remmeber the day when this was not to be expectd things have changed and this team is in a new era under Christian and ill be damned if we just give up or in on this team

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best 6 years of my lie haha


Are this guy and zipsfreak brothers?  Unbelievable.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 10:40 AM
Arkley threw out a great stat after the game last night: JC is 16-0 vs the MAC except for Akron, where he is 0-4. Dambrot has had his number since he came back. Dambrot made a simple adjustment last night by taking the ball out of the hands of Betancourt and Evans, then gave it to Diggs. That's the ball game right there. Had Ricardo been in there to guard Diggs, it's a different game. Stevie and Bean were doing great all game until that small adjustment about 4 minutes into the second half. 

Offensively, it looks to me like this team reverses the ball way before they should. The guys on the block don't get a chance to establish position before the ball is swung to other side. Many, many, many times Nick/Stevie/Bean/TJ had the ball on the right wing and Mo had a mismatch down low after someone switched on a screen. But before hey got into position to catch, they swung it. He threw his hands up like "cmon, gimme the dang ball."

I'll criticize JC for one thing last night and it was waiting too long to put Wilkins in the game in the 2nd half. He was hot all night and he shoulda been in the game. The problem is that makes the lineup even smaller. Unless we take out Stevie and Bean at the same time and trust Nick to handle it from time to time. Other than that, they rebounded on the offensive end and shot better from three. Ball game Akron. 

BTW, the Mrs pointed out that Setty runs like the T-1000. Had a huge laugh with that one.

 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 10:55 AM
Clearly, the sky fell and yesterday's defeat was equivalent to football losing (loosing) to Beefs, BG, kents by a combined 123-15.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 11:13 AM
Coulda, woulda, shoulda!  We can analyze and complain all we want.  No, Monroe!  This game does not equate to the FB losses you allude to.  Many have stated how hot Akron was shooting the 3. True!  Not much has been said how hot we were from the line!  We shoot our normal % and Akron probably wins easily in regulation!
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Posted: 1/13/2014 11:24 AM
That's a great point Lande... 21 of 23 from the line is really, really good.

Last night was death by 1000 cuts. No one glaring weakness lost the game, it was just a ton of little bitty things.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 11:34 AM
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Are this guy and zipsfreak brothers?  Unbelievable.


No my bro went to OHIO too & that dude is smarter than me but he dropped out in like 99 wasnt his falt tho he had a real dick prof but OHIO is a good school so hes okay now he just wisht he woulda pulled an 4 point and finished school like his older bro haha

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Posted: 1/13/2014 11:45 AM
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Posted: 1/13/2014 12:07 PM
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Posted: 1/13/2014 12:36 PM
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 As an akron fan let me say I really enjoyed last nights game. Great back and forth contest, great atmosphere, even decent officiating ( which is rare in the MAC!). It was a struggle, and obviously I'm glad the zips won, but I don't understand why so many posters on here feel it was a loss to an inferior team.
   Sure as Ohio U fans you will see the bobcats as the better team but in reality , and I learned this through several years of losing to Kent, if another team beats you in their place, your place, and in a neutral setting 4 times in a row they deserve a little respect.  Id rather say I was defeated by a good UA team in double OT than to say I was defeated by a terrible team with a lousy arena.  
   Say what OU fans may, it was a great game.  Back and forth. Impressive play by ndour, and Kellogg! The guy who really hurt UA was Wilkins!  Some nice finishes!  Both teams shot pretty normal percentages, the one big surprise was Ohio U's proficiency from the line.
   Again, I enjoyed this game and look forward to 2 more with you guys up here in feb and march!



   


I think most of our fans recognize that Akron is a good team.  You guys have beaten us four in row.  Glad you enjoyed the game last night.

I will say that based on how the two teams had played up to last night's game, I think Ohio has been the better team so far this year.  Last night, we caught the Zips on a good night.  Diggs was unreal in the second half.  You know that he's also capable of throwing the ball in the 10th row a lot.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 1:05 PM
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Arkley threw out a great stat after the game last night: JC is 16-0 vs the MAC except for Akron, where he is 0-4. Dambrot has had his number since he came back. Dambrot made a simple adjustment last night by taking the ball out of the hands of Betancourt and Evans, then gave it to Diggs. That's the ball game right there. Had Ricardo been in there to guard Diggs, it's a different game. Stevie and Bean were doing great all game until that small adjustment about 4 minutes into the second half. 

Offensively, it looks to me like this team reverses the ball way before they should. The guys on the block don't get a chance to establish position before the ball is swung to other side. Many, many, many times Nick/Stevie/Bean/TJ had the ball on the right wing and Mo had a mismatch down low after someone switched on a screen. But before hey got into position to catch, they swung it. He threw his hands up like "cmon, gimme the dang ball."

I'll criticize JC for one thing last night and it was waiting too long to put Wilkins in the game in the 2nd half. He was hot all night and he shoulda been in the game. The problem is that makes the lineup even smaller. Unless we take out Stevie and Bean at the same time and trust Nick to handle it from time to time. Other than that, they rebounded on the offensive end and shot better from three. Ball game Akron. 

BTW, the Mrs pointed out that Setty runs like the T-1000. Had a huge laugh with that one.

 
Great point about not recognizing the mismatch.
 
Basketball can be a game of mismatches and who does a better job of taking advantage of mismatches. It should be easy for a guard to understand that if a big man switched off on you then a small guard is matched up with one of your bigs. Like Gocats mentioned, numerous times Mo had an Akron guard on him after a switch but the Ohio guard reversed the ball to the weakside instead, never recognizing the mismatch. This defensive switch also creates a mismatch with a big guarding our ballhandler and I thought Stevie did take advantage of this twice in the second half, once against Forsythe and once against Treadwell (one time leading to a 3). But not getting the ball to Mo when Diggs, Evans, McAdams, etc. . . is guarding him down low can be just as bad as a turnover.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 1:35 PM
Was it disappointing, sure.  Is it the end of the world because we lost a MAC game at home to a very good rival?  I don't think so.  Diggs saved them, plain and simple.  we had no defensive answer for him.  Our defensive answer for him was behind the bench with his leg elevated.  Consider that we played nearly 10 minutes with N'Dour in the first half, the whole game (and likely season) without Johnson, got very little from our PG spot, and Akron made 9/15 from 3...it's a miracle it even made it to OT.  Should we have won, yes.  Nick Kellogg makes that FT and I think we're singing a different tune today, but he didn't.  He failed to come through on one shot, Diggs goes down to the other end and made us pay.  We're 1-1 to start off conference play, after playing @Kent and Akron at home.  I think most of us would have taken that to start the MAC schedule a few weeks ago.  I'll still take it, I'm not that worried about this team.  Take care of business against Ball St and NIU and we're 3-1 in MAC play and 13-4 overall.  Considering all this team has lost to graduation and injury, I would consider that to be pretty darn good.

Give credit where credit is due, Akron hit the tough shots, they came up clutch, they refused to die.  Good win for the Zips.  We'll be ready for Round 2.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 1:52 PM
Going to be very difficult to win in March if point guard play doesn't get better. Bean/Stevie can't seem to stop dribble penetration consistently. Diggs owned them just like Dambrot owns Christian. 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 2:18 PM
Know the best way to get over a 3 point double OT loss to Akron at home? A 30 point blowout win over Akron in Cleveland.

Losing sucks, losing ones that you had wrapped up really sucks, and losing ones you had wrapped up to your biggest conference rival REALLY sucks. But, honestly, our chances at an at-large bid were tenuous at best before last night. Like most years, the MAC tourney is what matters.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 2:21 PM
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That akron team isn't good. I'd say they are average/above average. we should not be losing to average/above average teams at home so yes its a bad loss.


We're an average team ourselves, so I wouldn't call losing to another average team a bad loss.


Since you're a numbers guy...was wondering how you can justify saying that we are an "average" team...when we came into the Akron game with a 57 RPI and 71 Sagarin.  To be in the top 20% of Division I teams is hardly "average", is it?

BTW, the Jim Christian call in show is on tonight 7:00 p.m. eastern time.  I know you were going to call him and ask about "pace".  BTW, where do we rank in terms of "pace" now?
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Posted: 1/13/2014 2:27 PM
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Going to be very difficult to win in March if point guard play doesn't get better. Bean/Stevie can't seem to stop dribble penetration consistently. Diggs owned them just like Dambrot owns Christian. . 


To me, it seemed like it was dribble penetration by one guy, not a lapse in our PG defense across the board.  Diggs seems to me like a matchup nightmare for all our smaller guards, Stevie/Bean/Nick.  He's bigger and more physical.  Betancourt, Evans, and Ibitayo did next to nothing as far as dribble-drives.  Akron came back in the second half and won in 2OT when they went to Diggs at the point.  Those other three smaller guards played very little late in the game.  I don't know who we have to have guard Diggs in that situation, who has the size and strength to deal with him?
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Posted: 1/13/2014 3:18 PM
I've watched every Ohio game and several Akron games this year. Last night was a tough loss but I'm not worried about the Bobcats, we'll continue to gut it out and play hard. But if Akron fans think all of their problems are solved they are in for bumpy ride. They don't play well as a team and they have frustrated players who give up when times get tough, that doesn't all go away with one road win.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 3:37 PM
I agree that OHIO will be ok going forward.  As for matching up with Akron I just feel they are better going 8 deep than OHIO and they get much better scoring from more guys...at least last night.  Bench points 43-16.  And we got killed on the boards.  I am also happy to see us bringing in more big guys to go up against Akron in the future.  These two programs are obviously the cream of the crop in the MAC.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 4:02 PM
Can somebody explain to me how Stevie was called for carrying but Diggs seemingly got by with it everytime he dribbled the ball? Sure made it easier for him to cut when his hand was on the bottom half of the ball. I know in todays game players get away with what years ago was carrying but IMO his dribbling takes this to a new level.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 4:54 PM
I asked 2 of the 3 officials the same thing. He dribbles the ball with his hand directly on the bottom of the ball every single time. He wasn't as bad in the OT periods as he was in the 2nd half, but it was pretty obvious he was carrying it a lot.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 5:42 PM
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That's a great point Lande... 21 of 23 from the line is really, really good.

Last night was death by 1000 cuts. No one glaring weakness lost the game, it was just a ton of little bitty things.


Pete, this is my new favorite avatar. Let's license it and make some t-shirts.



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Posted: 1/13/2014 9:24 PM
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Since you're a numbers guy...was wondering how you can justify saying that we are an "average" team...when we came into the Akron game with a 57 RPI and 71 Sagarin.  To be in the top 20% of Division I teams is hardly "average", is it?


Those numbers will come down. Or college basketball is worse than I realize. Or both; these need not be mutually exclusive.

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BTW, the Jim Christian call in show is on tonight 7:00 p.m. eastern time.  I know you were going to call him and ask about "pace".  BTW, where do we rank in terms of "pace" now?


It will have to be on a non-Monday if it is to happen.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 11:09 PM
Hypothetical:

Lets say that Jim Christian really does own the MAC except he absolutely cannot beat Akron.

Last year, we went 14-2 (15-3 if you count the MAC tourney) with all loses coming to Akron. For the sake of pretending, lets say Ohio has a repeat of last year and only Akron beats Ohio in MAC play. That would mean we go 16-2 with the longer MAC regular season.
Sticking to last year's script, we win in the semifinals and lose in the MAC tourney finals to Akron.

If that happened, we would finish 27-6. If that happened, I think our RPI finish in the top 50. Actually top 30 seems more accurate.

If we finish that high in the RPI, an at-large bid would seem highly likely.

...

I'm not saying that is going to happen. I think we are less likely to run the table in MAC play outside of Kron this year because we have a tougher MAC schedule (3 tough MAC West crossover games on the road) and I think Akron is less likely than last year to beat us 3 times.

If we can manage to go 13-5 in the MAC regular season, we might just be close to 50 in the RPI. That is interesting.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 11:17 PM
Didn't we have Stevie guarding Diggs up top a lot in the overtimes?  Shouldn't we have switched someone else on to Diggs (not sure who--TJ??) or been quick to double him as soon as he got a foot in the lane?

My one gripe would be that we didn't react to what they were doing to beat us at the end.



I still think that we have more guys who can develop (Campbell, Setty, Bean, Wilkins) than 'kron has over the course of this season.  That's said with significant ignorance re 'kron's roster.  But I'm very interested to see how our guys develop over the next 12-15 games.  Ndour and Smith, also.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 11:49 PM
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Driving back from Virginia on Saturday. Me and two other members of the OZone will be whipping up a tifo for the game. Should be interesting to see how it turns out.


I thought the O Zone already had one? The "Best Fans in the MAC" thing you roll out pregame. Will be interested to see what this new addition might be.


Yeah, but that was made by the marketing department and not us students, and there's a few of us that were talking about doing something like this before that banner was made. There's a time and place for both.

EDIT: I can't wait to walk into Jo-Ann and buy waaaaaay too much fabric.


I'm not one to criticize much, but that was awful.

"Awful" is WAY too polite................................



 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 11:50 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
This game was what I expect a fite and you can't take that away from the boys no matter what is said about the state of this progrm because this is a game and games is meant to be play not fought and sometimes you lose witch is okay

I remmeber the day when this was not to be expectd things have changed and this team is in a new era under Christian and ill be damned if we just give up or in on this team

'cats 97
best 6 years of my lie haha


Are this guy and zipsfreak brothers?  Unbelievable.

I think they are cousins, and brothers...............



 
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