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Posted: 2/1/2014 10:08 PM
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The engagement and hustle and no-quit that this team shows...Makes me wonder what last year would've been like if those traits had then obtained.

I'm betting today is something of a 'legacy' game. People are going to talk about this one for a long time....Remember the Toledo game?...Were you there?....
Could help football recruiting too...
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Posted: 2/1/2014 10:44 PM
An absolutely tremendous college basketball game on a beautiful day on a beautiful campus. I took a Toledo grad friend with me today and I think he was impressed all around.

Either of these teams could have beaten almost anyone in the country today with the way they played. Tremendous shooting and gutsy play all around. JC said it was the most fun he had in his coaching career...that is saying something.

I am still amped up about it. I think Toledo could be an at large team despite this loss...they are only at 3 losses and have already played at Akron & Ohio...their remaining road games are quite the cake walk. I'll be shocked if they are not regular season champs. Juice was unreal today but overall they are just really deep.

Ndour - Wow, what a game.
Point Guard - Discussion over for time being. Stevie gets 30+ mins, Bean gets the rest.
To play foul troubled players or not - Sat Jon for 10+ minutes in the 1st half due to 2 fouls. He ended with 2 fouls.
5 Second Call - Basketball junkies have to help me out. I thought it was called when you were closely guarded but didn't dribble. Juice dribbled quite a bit, Stevie was just all up in his grill. What made it a 5 second call?
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Posted: 2/1/2014 10:58 PM
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5 Second Call - Basketball junkies have to help me out. I thought it was called when you were closely guarded but didn't dribble. Juice dribbled quite a bit, Stevie was just all up in his grill. What made it a 5 second call?


You have to advance the ball .  .  . not just dribble. 
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Posted: 2/1/2014 11:34 PM
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I'll take a rabid 9K over the passive parent's weekend sellout every time.


Agree 100%. an 8/9K that gives a damn is much better than the Dad's weekend or sib's weekend, that is just looking for something to do.
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Posted: 2/2/2014 12:08 AM
Great game - to watch live - and to watch AGAIN on the replay! I have never done that before - watch a full game replay the same day I went to the game. I have hardly ever even watched any replays of ANY games!
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Posted: 2/2/2014 1:14 AM
Still not sure why we don't play zone a lot more given our guards inability to keep people in front of them...the bigs help out and O-boards and tip ins abound.  Shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.
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Posted: 2/2/2014 1:53 AM
I might be knit picking here but many of guy seemed gassed near the end of this game.  This off season our boys need to do more conditioning.  Athens is great for running plenty of hills to build endurance.  Too much short grabbing in this one if we expect to win two or three in a row in Cleveland.  Really looking forward to the road rematches with Toledo and Akron.  We seem to enjoy the us against the world mentality on the road.
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Posted: 2/2/2014 2:21 AM
Also, what an awkward rushing of the court by some of the students today. Definitely not an appropriate time to rush the court. 
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Posted: 2/2/2014 2:25 AM
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I might be knit picking here but many of guy seemed gassed near the end of this game.  This off season our boys need to do more conditioning.  Athens is great for running plenty of hills to build endurance.  Too much short grabbing in this one if we expect to win two or three in a row in Cleveland.  Really looking forward to the road rematches with Toledo and Akron.  We seem to enjoy the us against the world mentality on the road.

Yeah, this is nit picking.

 
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Posted: 2/2/2014 2:39 AM
While I'm at it - who's that old guy who occasionally shows up in the O Zone? He screams at kids, etc. A welcome piece of the O Zone - need more passionate fans instead of college kids texting their friends during the action. 

 
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Posted: 2/2/2014 3:28 AM
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Also, what an awkward rushing of the court by some of the students today. Definitely not an appropriate time to rush the court. 


It was more like a casual stroll by a small group.
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Posted: 2/2/2014 7:37 AM
hawaiian bobcat wrote:expand_more
I might be knit picking here but many of guy seemed gassed near the end of this game.  This off season our boys need to do more conditioning.  Athens is great for running plenty of hills to build endurance.  Too much short grabbing in this one if we expect to win two or three in a row in Cleveland.  Really looking forward to the road rematches with Toledo and Akron.  We seem to enjoy the us against the world mentality on the road.


They are gassed because there are only six guys that Christian trusts right now.  There have been a number of games where we have gone the last 10 minutes using just these six guys.  If we don't finish first of second this could be a real problem in Cleveland.
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Posted: 2/2/2014 9:38 AM
LuckySparrow wrote:expand_more
Also, what an awkward rushing of the court by some of the students today. Definitely not an appropriate time to rush the court. 


I noticed this too... it was actually laughable and embarrassing. Let's rush the court!... but, calmly... and single file.
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Posted: 2/2/2014 10:16 AM
Sixteen seconds left, we're up 3, Toledo taking ball out at half court. Wonder if Christian considered fouling them and putting them on the line for one & one? Not sure I would have done that, but it is a an option.
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Posted: 2/2/2014 10:24 AM
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Sixteen seconds left, we're up 3, Toledo taking ball out at half court. Wonder if Christian considered fouling them and putting them on the line for one & one? Not sure I would have done that, but it is a an option.


I know I did....talked about when the clock went under 7 secs if they had not put up a shot to take the foul to my seat partners. Like it or not I am a convert to that school of thought. Numbers do not lie.
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Posted: 2/2/2014 11:54 AM
Well, foul a guy who'll get two shots...someone off the ball or below the 3point line...don't foul a guy behind the line who can see it coming and shoot a 3ball.
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Posted: 2/2/2014 11:20 PM
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Sixteen seconds left, we're up 3, Toledo taking ball out at half court. Wonder if Christian considered fouling them and putting them on the line for one & one? Not sure I would have done that, but it is a an option.


I know I did....talked about when the clock went under 7 secs if they had not put up a shot to take the foul to my seat partners. Like it or not I am a convert to that school of thought. Numbers do not lie.

I did too. Then I thought about the fact that we would need to execute an inbound play under their basket if they made the two free throws - and that kinda scared me. Have seen WAY too many of those screwed up last couple years.............. 

 
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Posted: 2/4/2014 9:02 AM
That was a game I won't forget anytime soon.  It was easily my favorite and most memorable game in the Convo, knocking off (sorry, Borna) the OU-Miami game several years ago when Freeman won it at the buzzer with a deep three.  Toledo is a very good team, but defense is not something they seem to care about too much.  Offensively they are loaded with weapons, and Juice was on fire in the second half.  Everyone in the Convo knew what was coming and nobody could stop it.  I think there's a good chance we see this team a third time in the MAC tourney, and if future games are anything like this one, they should be great contests. 
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Posted: 2/4/2014 9:33 AM
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That was a game I won't forget anytime soon.  It was easily my favorite and most memorable game in the Convo, knocking off (sorry, Borna) the OU-Miami game several years ago when Freeman won it at the buzzer with a deep three.  Toledo is a very good team, but defense is not something they seem to care about too much.  Offensively they are loaded with weapons, and Juice was on fire in the second half.  Everyone in the Convo knew what was coming and nobody could stop it.  I think there's a good chance we see this team a third time in the MAC tourney, and if future games are anything like this one, they should be great contests. 


No need to apologize. That was one of the hardest fought MAC games I remember in my viewing life.

Not sure why folks feel the need to apologize...has happened a few times this year..... Tommy told me 3 years ago DJ AND Nick would break his record and he encouraged them and gave insight into shooting along the way. I am glad the guys are going beyond where this program has been. That is the idea when a program is moving forward.

If this continues to happen then I am going to be really happy because that means the program is moving to whare we hoped it would go.....Domination of the MAC and yearly tourney appearances. The next level, higher expectations and more quality wins. Imagine if the hoops team had the same success as the Volleyball team......IF anyone remembers the threads from the pre crash BA regarding expectations..... any one remember a thread called "Culture change"?

That was important to Rhodes when he was recruiting and then when Groce came in that was the idea that propelled the program to where it is today.....my worst nightmare is that what was built and the standards of excellence and expectations do not continue forward or backslide. I will be very sad. I know things run in cycles but I refuse to believe that this cycle for OHIO basketball is anywhere near complete. I am happy for NIck, I am happy that a new memory has been made for even one fan. I hope that we continue to push the record book and the program forward. My respect for Jamerson did not diminish when his record was broken. No apologies necessary.
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Posted: 2/4/2014 10:47 AM
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That was a game I won't forget anytime soon.  It was easily my favorite and most memorable game in the Convo, knocking off (sorry, Borna) the OU-Miami game several years ago when Freeman won it at the buzzer with a deep three.  Toledo is a very good team, but defense is not something they seem to care about too much.  Offensively they are loaded with weapons, and Juice was on fire in the second half.  Everyone in the Convo knew what was coming and nobody could stop it.  I think there's a good chance we see this team a third time in the MAC tourney, and if future games are anything like this one, they should be great contests. 


No need to apologize. That was one of the hardest fought MAC games I remember in my viewing life.

Not sure why folks feel the need to apologize...has happened a few times this year..... Tommy told me 3 years ago DJ AND Nick would break his record and he encouraged them and gave insight into shooting along the way. I am glad the guys are going beyond where this program has been. That is the idea when a program is moving forward.

If this continues to happen then I am going to be really happy because that means the program is moving to whare we hoped it would go.....Domination of the MAC and yearly tourney appearances. The next level, higher expectations and more quality wins. Imagine if the hoops team had the same success as the Volleyball team......IF anyone remembers the threads from the pre crash BA regarding expectations..... any one remember a thread called "Culture change"?

That was important to Rhodes when he was recruiting and then when Groce came in that was the idea that propelled the program to where it is today.....my worst nightmare is that what was built and the standards of excellence and expectations do not continue forward or backslide. I will be very sad. I know things run in cycles but I refuse to believe that this cycle for OHIO basketball is anywhere near complete. I am happy for NIck, I am happy that a new memory has been made for even one fan. I hope that we continue to push the record book and the program forward. My respect for Jamerson did not diminish when his record was broken. No apologies necessary.



I don't believe we will be having vicious cycle and years we hardly win 10 games.... Were having excellent recruiting with Jim Christian, and with the impact of playing more games on t.v. helps. I'm excited not only about us, but Toledo, Akron, and EMU. Even though we might get B10 players that never started at their previous schools, I think the MAC could become a mid-major conference that is known for basketball. 

 
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Posted: 2/4/2014 11:04 AM
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Also, what an awkward rushing of the court by some of the students today. Definitely not an appropriate time to rush the court. 


I noticed this too... it was actually laughable and embarrassing. Let's rush the court!... but, calmly... and single file.


I can't remember the game, but one game the students stampeded the court and a few jumped over the Bobcat Black seats to do it and there were complaints about that.  Other than rushing the court, what are they supposed to do?  Pile up behind the buckets?  (I'm not sure if that's allowed, so it's a serious question.) 

They could not do that at all, but after the way the game went, I'm not surprised they did.
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Posted: 2/4/2014 11:10 AM
LuckySparrow wrote:expand_more
While I'm at it - who's that old guy who occasionally shows up in the O Zone? He screams at kids, etc. A welcome piece of the O Zone - need more passionate fans instead of college kids texting their friends during the action. 

 


There are about 8-10 really solid guys in the O Zone that are there every game.  RP and his crew do a great job.  But, this guy is something else.  He is loud and persistent the entire game.  He starts almost every cheer and walks up and down the sideline shaming people on the edges into joining in.  He came in a full Santa Claus suit a few times in December, and never broke character.  He screamed at the refs, telling them he was going to give them lumps of coal because they didn't call a foul.  He told one ref that he wasn't getting off the naughty list until he started calling 3 seconds on the other team.  He is slightly crazy, but passionate and entertaining from my perspective. 
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Posted: 2/4/2014 12:09 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Also, what an awkward rushing of the court by some of the students today. Definitely not an appropriate time to rush the court. 


I noticed this too... it was actually laughable and embarrassing. Let's rush the court!... but, calmly... and single file.

Well to be fair we don't have a lot of room to get to the court, with the Black seats and that advertising thing in our way. I was in the OZone for this game and while it was a big win for us, I didn't think the court storming was needed.

 
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Posted: 2/4/2014 1:13 PM
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While I'm at it - who's that old guy who occasionally shows up in the O Zone? He screams at kids, etc. A welcome piece of the O Zone - need more passionate fans instead of college kids texting their friends during the action. 

 


There are about 8-10 really solid guys in the O Zone that are there every game.  RP and his crew do a great job.  But, this guy is something else.  He is loud and persistent the entire game.  He starts almost every cheer and walks up and down the sideline shaming people on the edges into joining in.  He came in a full Santa Claus suit a few times in December, and never broke character.  He screamed at the refs, telling them he was going to give them lumps of coal because they didn't call a foul.  He told one ref that he wasn't getting off the naughty list until he started calling 3 seconds on the other team.  He is slightly crazy, but passionate and entertaining from my perspective. 

I am fascinated by this man.  How can no one on this board know who he is and/or what his story is?

 
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Posted: 2/4/2014 3:25 PM
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Also, what an awkward rushing of the court by some of the students today. Definitely not an appropriate time to rush the court. 


I noticed this too... it was actually laughable and embarrassing. Let's rush the court!... but, calmly... and single file.

Well to be fair we don't have a lot of room to get to the court, with the Black seats and that advertising thing in our way. I was in the OZone for this game and while it was a big win for us, I didn't think the court storming was needed.

 


Exactly.

(sayeth the court-storming police)
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