Are we paying recruits enough and giving them enough other unlawful inducements to be competitive?

I like Shaq have been to all of the Athens basketball + football games(except the Florida trip) the last 2 seasons and find Catfans post to be totally ridiculous. Catfan what did you think of the play of Burrow(not Burrows) and Watson in their games against Akron SVSM and Lucasville Valley this year and both Warren games last year? Both players looked really good in those  4 big games against better competition so I'm guessing you missed all of them? Definitely was a tough game last night, French was on fire(22 pts in the 2nd quarter) and a hard way to end a very good season for the Bulldogs but I know both players will learn/grow from it and come back even stronger next season!
To make statements about Joes leadership skills, his energy level and competitive spirit have to be some of the most asinine things I have ever read on BA. Then to top it off by saying that this is not unusual for him lets me know that you don't know Joe!

Agreed whole heartedly. Both coaches at Athens (Skinner and Adams) do nothing but praise Burrow for his character and leadership skills. And they are around him every day.

Dayton is on a different level than OHIO

Butcher quit in a year

Different staff was here for the Jackson kids.

King would have been nice though.

Didn't Hitchens have some problems and he never finished @ Akron? Did that situation then have a negative impact on their NCAA scorecard? Maybe just maybe our coaches at the time saw that this kid had a problem and passed. No school wants a problem kid. Groce had one here and it hurt our chances to be a great team. That kid also hurt his own chances to play at the next level.
Let's face it, with the new NCAA score card, coaches performance is being tied to these requirements as well. Few coaches today would be willing to take a chance on a problem talent that could hurt his score card as well as the chemistry of the team.



GO BOBCATS

You know.

That is patently over the line.

The biggest comment I have heard over the years when I encourage people to post is that they do not want to get attacked personally. They don't mind discussion and fact based comments but they fear personal attacks.

The man prefaced his remarks and SAID he was not a coach and offered an opinion which you could have offered some reasonable response to since you ARE in the buildling AND the gym and get to see these kids up close and how they interact with the student body, coaching staff and teachers

WHy do you feel the need to attack him personally and offer a comment instead of some evidence of their character that might be beneficial to the board at large?

Appreciate your contributions and your need for anonymity but even your standards have to be above this one.

Actually, unfortunately, it looks like he may eat pretty well.  Based on what the professionals are indicating, Joe may be good, but is not considered elite - which is not a knock.  By this time in the recruiting process, the elite QBs are already signed and/or picking among the whose who of BCS programs.   Not sure why he is not in the top group, but Athens is not off the trail to the point that he would be under the radar.  Camps are critical these days, especially the ones BEFORE your junior year.  Especially if you play against less than stellar opponents (and I recall reading some concerns about his mechanics - though one guy was high on his improvement).  By ths summer's camps, he is left fighting for the unique offer, as opposed to the avalanche of premier BCS programs. 

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recru... - not rated in top 25 pocket passers.  Additional list for dual threats

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/dat... - page 3

Something is not making coaches fall in love.  That's okay.  If he is as good as some of the locals think, maybe he contributes to us.  But per the football recruiting thread, let's let this kid be a junior/senior instead of comparing him to the Andrew Luck's of the world.  Again, appears to be a good kid, but sounds like some are seeing a bit through "local" vision glasses.


Interesting diversion (Burrow, etc) within this thread - that points to the challenges of recruiting local and, from a player perspective, staying local.  This thread illustrates the passion and excitement locals have for Burrow (which is to expected) Now flash forward 4 years if he is still holding a clip board or only extra point tries.  "They are ruining Joe's talent..."  cries the locals.  Now look at it from his perspective.  Not only does he have to deal with classmates asking about playing time, but can't even "escape home" without being an issue.

Not surprising that many athletes look beyond their immediate neighborhood to go to school.

He reported what he saw and had an opinion. He said "it seemed" and gave his appraisal. That is an opinion he makes on a player based on what he saw. I did not take it as an attack on character. I t looked to me like a discussion of what he saw.



I am glad that you are in the building and can actually give examples that have some merit based on what you see. If he is a great kid then so be it.... I would hate to think if someone asked me an opinion on here about a kid that I would have to worry about excluding any negative that I had seen first hand. If I saw something in a recruit I did not like I would probably put it up there knowing it is one man's opi9nion and caould be taken with a grain of salt or discussed without retribution or personal attacks on my ability to look at something and form an opinion. People wnat to discuss what they see without reprisal. Conversely, I would hope that I could look at an opinion and not call someone out....I would be more than happy to discuss why I think differently but I think it is beneath what the mods have created here to throw mud at a person for stating what they saw.

No issues with our coaches do not recruit local people based on talent. Is nothing wrong with people being just good high school athletes. However I do have a problem when people start assassinating the character of these young people. And I find it appalling that you allow the character of a 17-year-old to be attacked the defend the person who's attacking it for the same reason.

Good for him.  And I will follow, out of interest to see if he ends up at Ohio. The point of my post was to put into realistic perspective the recruiting process.  If he is getting high level BCS offers (Bama, Auburn, GA, USC, Fla St., OKla, etc.) that are reserved for the elite, then they are coming very, very late.  My neighbor's son just signed with Georgia.  By the time he entered his junior year, he had offers from all of the above and others.  Camps and combines are critical to Burrow, given the level of play he sees (just as they were with Jeb).  He obviously didn't soar after jr camps, so really moving up the food chain in the QB pecking order right now is extremely rare.  He is also challenged that he (from everything reported) is more a pocket passer, not a real dual threat guy, which rules out a chunk of schools out of the gate (I know he has rushing yards, but he is not a Johnny football, Winston, Miller kind of player).   My guess is his best fit will end up being at a high end MAC or lower end BCS conference school (e.g., Purdue, Indiana, Kentucky, VA, Wake, or the likes of a East Carolina, Tulane, etc.  Which is something pretty solid for a kid from Athens.

CC I have no issue or problems with your take, Catfan28 is another issue. Some are coming to the party late, however that is not unusual for this area. The last three big time program players from our area all saw this same time frame. And all of those big time programs you mention are still actively recruiting Joey, have not offered yet, but are still in contact per allowable rules.