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Posted: 3/4/2014 1:22 PM
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for those saying a 5 seed or below is a death sentence you realize we were like the 8 or 9 seed when we won the MAC tourney and went on to beat Georgetown?  not saying this team has the same run in them, just saying never say never.


That was a whole nother thing. I remember Tommy calling me from maybe Wright State post game and telling me "we gonna run this tournament" .....I laughed and said something to the effect that they were not quite .500 in the MAC and he said it agAIin....chillingly...."we gonna run this tourney old man, you'll see"   I felt the daggers through the phone line. Once they beat down BG and won at Ball State I started to believe.


That team could have played nine teams in seven days and not lost.
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Posted: 3/4/2014 6:49 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
for those saying a 5 seed or below is a death sentence you realize we were like the 8 or 9 seed when we won the MAC tourney and went on to beat Georgetown?  not saying this team has the same run in them, just saying never say never.


That was a whole nother thing. I remember Tommy calling me from maybe Wright State post game and telling me "we gonna run this tournament" .....I laughed and said something to the effect that they were not quite .500 in the MAC and he said it agAIin....chillingly...."we gonna run this tourney old man, you'll see"   I felt the daggers through the phone line. Once they beat down BG and won at Ball State I started to believe.

That Wrong State game was a pivotal confidence game that season - interesting.



 
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Posted: 3/4/2014 9:03 PM
Akron beating Buffalo tonight it looks like the boys are going to get their chance to win the MAC Tourney the hard way.
If anybody can do it is our boys.  
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Posted: 3/4/2014 9:09 PM
Bobcats swept the East on the road.


Kent @ Akron Friday night. 7 PM ESPN2.


 
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Posted: 3/4/2014 9:24 PM
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Bobcats swept the East on the road.


Kent @ Akron Friday night. 7 PM ESPN2.


 

We're still @Miami on Saturday. Need that to complete the sweep.

 
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Posted: 3/4/2014 10:02 PM
I think this ending actually works out well for us. Hear me out. Please know that I never like to lose to Miami, but...

On Friday, Kent State plays at Akron. If Akron wins that game, we have no chance at the 4 seed. For us to get the 6 seed, we would have to lose at Miami, and EMU would have to win at Toledo. And honestly, is there a difference between the 5 and 6 seed?

I say if Akron wins, we sit our starters, including N'dour and Stevie, for the game on Monday. If Kent State wins, we go all in @Miami on Saturday!

Let's do this!
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Posted: 3/4/2014 11:35 PM
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Bobcats swept the East on the road.


Kent @ Akron Friday night. 7 PM ESPN2.


 

We're still @Miami on Saturday. Need that to complete the sweep.

 

I jokingly posted with confidence, knowing that we'll beat Fiami again! 

 
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Posted: 3/5/2014 8:54 AM
Even though I'm really pulling for us to win the MAC tourney, it may be a blessing in disguise if we don't.  One thing the NCAA selection people look at is how a team has done over the last month or six weeks of the season.  With our showing, we would be AT BEST a 14 or 15 seed.  With all the injuries, I'd hate to send this team up against one of the top 12 teams in the country right now.  They did great against BGSUcks last night, but I'm not sure they could replicate that performance in the NCAA.  With 20 wins, we should get into one of the minor tourneys, which (even though I'm not a fan of the minor tourneys) could be more beneficial toward building for next year.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 9:22 AM
Anything can happen in a one and done tourney. Regardless of how you have played, all you can ask for is a shot. 
 
Think of some of the teams that limped in to the tournament over the years and made huge runs. 
 
Wasn’t it VCU that had to be in the play in game, was lambasted by the media for even getting in and then made the final 4? You just never know. 
 
I also think you underestimate our seed. Our RPI isn’t THAT bad (82). There’s certainly going to be 10 worse teams than that get in from auto bid conferences. 
 
The MAC was a solid league this season. I don’t think any of the top 4 teams would be slotted lower than a 13, which is a winnable game for sure. 
 
 
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Posted: 3/5/2014 10:31 AM
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Even though I'm really pulling for us to win the MAC tourney, it may be a blessing in disguise if we don't.  One thing the NCAA selection people look at is how a team has done over the last month or six weeks of the season.  With our showing, we would be AT BEST a 14 or 15 seed.  With all the injuries, I'd hate to send this team up against one of the top 12 teams in the country right now.  They did great against BGSUcks last night, but I'm not sure they could replicate that performance in the NCAA.  With 20 wins, we should get into one of the minor tourneys, which (even though I'm not a fan of the minor tourneys) could be more beneficial toward building for next year.


They're grown men. They can handle a blowout to one of the best teams in the country. Plus, a MAC tournament championship and a game in the NCAA tournament still provides better momentum for the program and fanbase than winning a game or two in the CBI.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 10:34 AM
The difference between the 5 and 6 seed is the side of the bracket you're on. As the standings are now, the 5 seed requires you to beat Akron and WMU whereas the 6 seed puts you on the same side as Buffalo and Toledo.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 10:56 AM
I would think we would like to stay as far away from WMU as possible and hope someone takes them out.  The Buffs and UT don't worry me nearly as much as WMU and Akron.
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Posted: 3/5/2014 1:01 PM
(If) we start playing well enough to actually win the MAC Tournament, I think we are going to be playing well enough to knock somebody off in the big dance.

I also think that (if) we were to get there our seed would be much better than has been discussed. All things considered, our OOC resume looks pretty darn good. Not only that, but the committee has shown a tendency to factor in injuries... (IF) we get hot here, I think they might consider some forgiving the recent slide and seed us more based on our OOC showing.

Either way, I will take always take the NCAA bid over anything else. The benefits are too great to pass up. Plus I believe this team likes to show up in the spotlight...
Last Edited: 3/5/2014 1:02:20 PM by The Optimist
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Posted: 3/7/2014 9:49 AM
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(If) we start playing well enough to actually win the MAC Tournament, I think we are going to be playing well enough to knock somebody off in the big dance.

I also think that (if) we were to get there our seed would be much better than has been discussed. All things considered, our OOC resume looks pretty darn good. Not only that, but the committee has shown a tendency to factor in injuries... (IF) we get hot here, I think they might consider some forgiving the recent slide and seed us more based on our OOC showing.

Either way, I will take always take the NCAA bid over anything else. The benefits are too great to pass up. Plus I believe this team likes to show up in the spotlight...


As long as that spotlight doesn't originate from The Convo. (This year)
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Posted: 3/7/2014 9:37 PM
Now that the top four seeds are locked and we'll be taking the long road to Cleveland, I'm actually hoping we drop to the 6th seed. Not saying I'll be actively rooting against us tomorrow, but I think the bottom half of the bracket is much more favorable. I like the possibility of Miami or BG then Buffalo then Toledo much more than Kent or NIU then Akron then WMU. Plus, selfishly the ~9PM tip-offs mean I could leave work at 5 and still make it up to Cleveland for the games.
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Posted: 3/7/2014 10:16 PM
We don't need no stinking bye. This team will find a way. No quit.
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Posted: 3/8/2014 8:34 AM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
(If) we start playing well enough to actually win the MAC Tournament, I think we are going to be playing well enough to knock somebody off in the big dance.

I also think that (if) we were to get there our seed would be much better than has been discussed. All things considered, our OOC resume looks pretty darn good. Not only that, but the committee has shown a tendency to factor in injuries... (IF) we get hot here, I think they might consider some forgiving the recent slide and seed us more based on our OOC showing.

Either way, I will take always take the NCAA bid over anything else. The benefits are too great to pass up. Plus I believe this team likes to show up in the spotlight...

I'm pretty much disagree with most of everything you said.
By winning the MAC, we would not have beaten a team as good as what we would then play in the NCAA tourney. Still only a 11-12 seed I would think.
Our OOC is looking worse all the time, Oakland, Valpo and UNI all lost last night in their tourneys, they're not helping.
Our losses to some pretty bad teams, both in and out of conference and no really good wins overall will hurt our seeding big time.
We are really swimming backwards right now and it is hard to see us winning 5 games or whatever the craziness of the setup of MAC tourney is.
I agree that I would still take the NCAA bid.
I have no idea about "this"team showing up in the spotlight-what is that based on?
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Posted: 3/8/2014 3:58 PM
I think this is the scenario for our side of the bracket: 

If NIU beats Ball State:

12. Ball State (2-16) @ 5. Ohio (11-7)
9. Kent State (7-11) @ 8. Miami (8-10)

If Ball State beats NIU:

12. CMU (3-15) @ 5. Ohio (11-7)
9. Kent State (7-11) @ 8. NIU (7-11)

NIU and Kent split (1-1) head to head. Both Winless against WMU. Kent would lose the tiebreaker by being 0-1 vs. Toledo compared to NIU 1-1 vs. Toledo


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Posted: 3/8/2014 6:29 PM
Looks like we get BSU.  They're down by 15 with 3:00 to go vs NIU.
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Posted: 3/8/2014 6:44 PM
Our pathway will be-

Ball State--->winner of Kent at Miami--->Akron--->WMU---->winner of Toledo vs Buffalo/EMU/CMU/NIU
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Posted: 3/8/2014 7:50 PM
Winner of Kent-Miami at the Convo?  That could be a really difficult game considering our results against both of these teams this year.  

I just hope we are going in as healthy as we can be!!  Anybody playing the five games needs all available bodies ready to play.

 
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Posted: 3/8/2014 8:55 PM
Winner of Kent v Miami in Cleveland.
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Posted: 3/9/2014 10:06 AM
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(If) we start playing well enough to actually win the MAC Tournament, I think we are going to be playing well enough to knock somebody off in the big dance.

I also think that (if) we were to get there our seed would be much better than has been discussed. All things considered, our OOC resume looks pretty darn good. Not only that, but the committee has shown a tendency to factor in injuries... (IF) we get hot here, I think they might consider some forgiving the recent slide and seed us more based on our OOC showing.

Either way, I will take always take the NCAA bid over anything else. The benefits are too great to pass up. Plus I believe this team likes to show up in the spotlight...

I'm pretty much disagree with most of everything you said.
By winning the MAC, we would not have beaten a team as good as what we would then play in the NCAA tourney. Still only a 11-12 seed I would think.
Our OOC is looking worse all the time, Oakland, Valpo and UNI all lost last night in their tourneys, they're not helping.
Our losses to some pretty bad teams, both in and out of conference and no really good wins overall will hurt our seeding big time.
We are really swimming backwards right now and it is hard to see us winning 5 games or whatever the craziness of the setup of MAC tourney is.
I agree that I would still take the NCAA bid.
I have no idea about "this"team showing up in the spotlight-what is that based on?
Based on how poorly received my posts on our RPI were received over the course of the season, I was expecting complete disagreement over my last post.

For whatever reason, our OOC schedule from this season isn't getting the respect it deserves on this board. There is a reason most of the computers have us as a Top 100 team despite going 4-5 at HOME in conference play. Actually, 2 big reasons. 1, the MAC's computer rankings this year are actually very respectable across the board. 6 top-100 teams. First time in awhile the conference has done that. (we have 4 top 100 wins in MAC play alone!) Another bonus, the MAC doesn't have too many teams pulling the conference down... Only Ball and CMU are ballpark of 300 in the RPI. Even NIU has managed to climb up near 200. If the majority of teams are Top 200, that really limits the "drag" that playing (even if you win) can have on a team's numbers.
As for our OOC schedule, 2 top-100 wins (Richmond and Mercer) along with another just outside the Top 100 (Northern Iowa) and just as important, a lack of any killer losses. Now, let me stop you there. We lost at Oakland... Oakland is not a good loss by any means, but they have managed to stay right inside the Top 200. While losing to teams between 100-200 isn't going to help your resume, just one OOC loss to that group isn't the killer some make it out to be. Our only other two OOC loses? Fairly close loses to Top 25 teams.

If you remove the MAC schedule, this is easily our best "resume" in awhile except for maybe 2012.

When talking about the "if" we win the MAC tournament, it is important to remember that pulling it off would mean we win 5 games. We are already 21-10. So +5 would mean 26-10. When you look at the computer rankings of the teams we need to beat to win 5, you likely have 2 to 3 more games against Top 100 teams (Akron, Toledo and probably a top 100 final against WMU or Buffalo)
Now, we are already ballpark of 80 in the RPI. Winning 5 against the teams we would have to beat to do that would push us pretty darn close to 50.

26-10, 50ish RPI, quite a few Top 100 wins and ZERO loses to teams below 200... That is a pretty decent resume.

The key being we win the next 5 games.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 5:34 PM
The MAC Tourney DOES start today. It's time to roll. Go Bobcats! 
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Posted: 3/10/2014 11:11 PM
So with day 1 in the books, I thought I'd take a look at the attendance figures for tonight's first rounds games.  

1. Ball State at Ohio - 4,153
2. Bowling Green at Northern Illinois - 941
3. Central Michigan at Easter Michigan - 863
4. Kent at Miami - 780

Well so much for having the first round games on campus sites to boost attendance.  Those are not pretty numbers for the last 3 games. 
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