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Topic: Louis Orr out as HC of Bowling Green
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Posted: 3/12/2014 12:42 PM
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Don't forget that Orr was retained after last year due to money issues.  They didn't have the money to buy out the last year as I remember it.


The university laid off a lot of faculty in the last two years, so imagine the uproard from BG's Richard Vedder types had they bought out the remaining year. The athletic department would not want that sort of bad press.
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Posted: 3/12/2014 12:52 PM
GoCats has this right.  Don't say BG is not D1.  They have put literally ALL their apples into football and they regularly beat the tar out of us.  Unfortunately, football is what is driving D1 sports now and it will only get worse.

In closing, we are very fortunate to be able to get what we do out of both sports.  That is very difficult for any MAC school given the current landscape.  Another example of this would be NIU.  Certainly not a D1 bball program but light years ahead of the MAC in FB.

Then again, in the MAC fame can be a fleeting thing.  Just ask Miami FB!

And for OhioBobcat, just think OHIO FB has not won a Championship since like 1968 or something so watch who you throw stones at! 



 
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Posted: 3/12/2014 4:50 PM
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GoCats has this right.  Don't say BG is not D1.  They have put literally ALL their apples into football and they regularly beat the tar out of us.  Unfortunately, football is what is driving D1 sports now and it will only get worse.

In closing, we are very fortunate to be able to get what we do out of both sports.  That is very difficult for any MAC school given the current landscape.  Another example of this would be NIU.  Certainly not a D1 bball program but light years ahead of the MAC in FB.

Then again, in the MAC fame can be a fleeting thing.  Just ask Miami FB!

And for OhioBobcat, just think OHIO FB has not won a Championship since like 1968 or something so watch who you throw stones at! 
 


I agree, I think BG cares more about football, but that seems to be the trend for the majority of schools nowadays anyway. But I actually think BG may also be the only school in the MAC that Ohio has a losing record against in men's basketball. I could be wrong but I thought I read that somewhere. They've had some really good teams over the years but just not any in the last 5 years or so. And I wasn't throwing stones, I was actually pointing that out myself that Ohio football has not won a MAC Championship since 1968. And while we haven't won one in forever, it shouldn't get overlooked how much progress we've made in the last decade or so in football. For all the knocks on teams like EMU in football the last few years, we were actually WORSE than they are now not too long ago ourselves. 
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Posted: 3/12/2014 5:52 PM
The thing that really gets me is the level of vitriol on BG's fan board. There are a few people who say Orr's a good man and wish him well, but they get shouted down because he wasn't a good coach. It's striking.
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Posted: 3/12/2014 6:09 PM
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I agree, I think BG cares more about football, but that seems to be the trend for the majority of schools nowadays anyway. But I actually think BG may also be the only school in the MAC that Ohio has a losing record against in men's basketball. I could be wrong but I thought I read that somewhere.  
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I've also read Ohio has a losing record against BG, I don't remember if that was the only school. And of course, almost every school will put emphasis on football, that's the revenue builder. The only exception I see in the conference is Kent State, which has done stuff for basketball and baseball, which as great as college baseball is, it's nowhere near the revenue levels of football or basketball
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Posted: 3/12/2014 7:49 PM
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I agree, I think BG cares more about football, but that seems to be the trend for the majority of schools nowadays anyway. But I actually think BG may also be the only school in the MAC that Ohio has a losing record against in men's basketball. I could be wrong but I thought I read that somewhere.  
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I've also read Ohio has a losing record against BG, I don't remember if that was the only school. And of course, almost every school will put emphasis on football, that's the revenue builder. The only exception I see in the conference is Kent State, which has done stuff for basketball and baseball, which as great as college baseball is, it's nowhere near the revenue levels of football or basketball
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I have always felt OU and Miami should be much better than what they been in baseball in the MAC and should be two of the better teams in the league year in and year out. They both have two of the nicest facilities in the conference and they are they are the two schools farthest south in the MAC which bodes well for weather in the spring as there are many times when Athens and Oxofrd are 10-15 degrees weather than most of the other MAC locations and there are a number of times when those places are covered in snow during the baseball season and Athens and Oxford are not. Kent State certainly has a good thing going and has dominated the MAC in recent years with good coaching, good non-conference schedules, decent stadium and a track record of success. BG came out of nowhere in the MAC Tournament last year and won it after nearly not even getting into the tournament field. BG's win ended a stretch of four straight tournament titles by KSU. 
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Posted: 3/12/2014 8:02 PM
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I agree, I think BG cares more about football, but that seems to be the trend for the majority of schools nowadays anyway. But I actually think BG may also be the only school in the MAC that Ohio has a losing record against in men's basketball. I could be wrong but I thought I read that somewhere.  


I've also read Ohio has a losing record against BG, I don't remember if that was the only school. And of course, almost every school will put emphasis on football, that's the revenue builder. The only exception I see in the conference is Kent State, which has done stuff for basketball and baseball, which as great as college baseball is, it's nowhere near the revenue levels of football or basketball
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I have always felt OU and Miami should be much better than what they been in baseball in the MAC and should be two of the better teams in the league year in and year out. They both have two of the nicest facilities in the conference and they are they are the two schools farthest south in the MAC which bodes well for weather in the spring as there are many times when Athens and Oxofrd are 10-15 degrees weather than most of the other MAC locations and there are a number of times when those places are covered in snow during the baseball season and Athens and Oxford are not. Kent State certainly has a good thing going and has dominated the MAC in recent years with good coaching, good non-conference schedules, decent stadium and a track record of success. BG came out of nowhere in the MAC Tournament last year and won it after nearly not even getting into the tournament field. BG's win ended a stretch of four straight tournament titles by KSU. 
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And now that KSU's coach Scott Stricklin (an Athens HS alum) accepted a Big 6 job (Georgia I think), perhaps even more parity!

My good friend was the baseball radio guy with Russ last year, and he called the series at Kent, where Ohio won on Saturday, and would've won on Friday had they not given up an inside-the-park HR in the 8th!
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Posted: 3/12/2014 9:22 PM
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The thing that really gets me is the level of vitriol on BG's fan board. There are a few people who say Orr's a good man and wish him well, but they get shouted down because he wasn't a good coach. It's striking.

Yea i noticed that too. Every other post seems to take a shot at his faith as well which I think is out of bounds. By all accounts Orr is a really stand up, quality human being but obviously not a good coach.

 
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Posted: 3/12/2014 11:10 PM
Haven't we had a very tough time winning at BG in hoops over the last 6-8 years?
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Posted: 3/13/2014 4:33 PM
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Haven't we had a very tough time winning at BG in hoops over the last 6-8 years?


Yes until the last two years were we finally got a win up there. Then of course, we did turn around and lose to them at home this year. 
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:19 PM
Yes, Orr is a very good man and one that would give you the shirt off his back if you needed it. I find it sad that things didn't work out for him at BG. For the record, the first time I was in Anderson BG had a team including future NBA stars Nate Thurmond and Howard Komives. So they have rich tradition. Hopefully the next coach can revive it.
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:34 PM
Ohio's best days in baseball are probably in the past. The game has changed to favor conferences in the south with weather and recruiting. This is especially true in Ohio's case because the old days were so good with a College World Series final four and many MAC championships. The same goes for Miami football. They will never replicate what they did in the mid 70's again with a Boise State style run. Recruiting was forever lost to Cincinnati football once they joined the Big East. BG up to about 10 yeas could be counted on as one of the better MAC basketball programs. Kent State stole their place in the pecking order for basketball.
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:46 PM
I saw a kid walk into a store I was in just two nights ago here in Columbus. Had an OHIO sweatshirt on. About 5'11", and built like a Stud. I said "Go Bobcats", he smiled and said somewhat reservedly "yeah". The I began to talk to him:

RS - "Are you in HS"?
Bobcat Sweatshirt dude - "Yeah"
RS - "Where"
Bobcat Sweatshirt dude - "St Charles"
RS - "Great School. You a football player?
Bobcat Sweatshirt dude - "Yes"
RS - "You going to OU?"
Bobcat Sweatshirt dude - "I was recruited there, but I am deciding between Mt Union and Bowling Green"
RS - "Mt Union - That's a great football program. BG, really?"
Bobcat Sweatshirt dude - "Yeah. Bowling Green looks like a great program"

My takeaway was that BGSUCKS to FBall recruits is that they are More Invested/More Committed to FBall.................... 
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Posted: 3/14/2014 12:09 AM
OCF, those were very good teams and players and one of the reasons we have a losing record vs them.  Just shows how far the MAC has sunk.  NBA players, playing for an elite 8 at OHIO.  Ah, the good old days.
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Posted: 3/15/2014 12:02 PM
Another very important thing to consider with BG, Miami and WMU that the rest of the MAC doesn't have to worry or even think about is, those three play hockey which is a HUGE factor for their athletic departments to juggle. And when I say they play hockey I am talking about NCAA D-1 hockey, I am not referring to club hockey. This has a significant impact on their funding with scholarships, travel, equipment, facility operations, etc., (especially for their men's programs) and it goes directly head to head with their men's basketball teams as hockey and hoops overlap. These schools are traveling to places sucks as Alaska to Nebraska to Alabama for even league games! Last year when we played basketball at BG, the Falcons were playing a hockey game not only on the same day but nearly the exact same time right next door against Ohio State. We don't have to worry about things like that.

Having hockey (which is a large roster and a very expensive sport to fund) stretches their budgets much thinner especially in terms of where they can allocate money to their other men's programs that their peers don't need to. Those three schools are a trio of only like a dozen or so schools who play FBS football and also have D-1 hockey while the others who do are mostly Big Ten schools which have the money to do so. Kent State used to be in this same boat but cut hockey about two decades ago. BG and WMU also have men's soccer to manage on the mens's side of finding (Miami had men's soccer but also cut it). BG talked about cutting hockey a few years ago and many rallied around the program to save it. But if they had cut it, they could easily have put a majority of that funding towards men's basketball like its peers do. 

Miami is is much better shape in hockey than BG and WMU. Their hockey arena is beautiful and is nicer than any MAC basketball arena. And before the attendance hounds on here jump on that statement, I said nicer, not bigger. One could argue that hockey is Miami's best sport, but only BG of those three has won a National Championship in hockey.

So when I see people making comments about basketball attendance at Miami and BG right now, you have to take a look at the bigger picture. One, both of those basketball programs are down right now. And two, they both are going head to head with hockey. WMU does too but is having a good basketball season. So when it's basketball season in Athens, it's basketball season. But at the same time in places like Oxford and Bowling Green, it's basketball and hockey season. Now in places like EMU, that's another story. 
Last Edited: 3/15/2014 12:03:50 PM by OhioBobcat
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Posted: 3/15/2014 3:52 PM
I don't want to sidetrack the thread, but from a fan standpoint, I think hockey and basketball could coexist at Ohio. Ohio club hockey has an excellent following, even among the students who have to pay $5 a ticket.
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Posted: 3/17/2014 5:28 PM
U HEARD IT HERE FIRST

The leader in the clubhouse for the BG job will be an ass't from Wisconsin'

He went to high school in Findlay

Not sure of last name-- Lamont ??
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Posted: 3/17/2014 5:36 PM
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U HEARD IT HERE FIRST

The leader in the clubhouse for the BG job will be an ass't from Wisconsin'

He went to high school in Findlay

Not sure of last name-- Lamont ??


I met him at Flying to The Hoop sitting with Rhodes. Walker and Groce came up and and sat with us and introduced the Wisky asst. Nice guy.
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