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Posted: 11/26/2013 9:43 PM
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good thing happen when you rebound and make free throws...shows some toughness.


Agreed.  We had 8 more FTs than they did (32-24) and made 9 more (27-18).  That was the margin of victory.
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Posted: 11/26/2013 11:45 PM
Nice win. Jon Smith has really improved his game. Couple of big buckets by T.J. We did a good job on the boards, which looked to be a problem going in. And we actually got a charge call to go our way.
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Posted: 11/27/2013 10:05 AM
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I'll continue to discuss scheduling as long as we schedule the majority of our OOC games while students are on holiday breaks. It makes no sense to me.

The Convo looks empty tonight. Can't blame people considering Thanksgiving holiday.

As long as the MAC is playing November football on the weekdays I think we should be shooting for Saturday games. 

Also, if you look at our home schedule it is showing a Dec 13th home game vs Alabama A&M. I swear that wasn't there before.


Come on, Optimist - the students actually get to see some games now.  Used to be, we were on quarters, and college basketball didn't start in July like it does now. Thanksgiving week used to kick off the season and that meant the only games students were in town for were the MAC games that started in January. The students will always have winter break, and there will always be basketball over said break. How do you suggest we control this?
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Posted: 11/27/2013 10:29 AM

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I'll continue to discuss scheduling as long as we schedule the majority of our OOC games while students are on holiday breaks. It makes no sense to me.

The Convo looks empty tonight. Can't blame people considering Thanksgiving holiday.

As long as the MAC is playing November football on the weekdays I think we should be shooting for Saturday games. 

Also, if you look at our home schedule it is showing a Dec 13th home game vs Alabama A&M. I swear that wasn't there before.


Come on, Optimist - the students actually get to see some games now.  Used to be, we were on quarters, and college basketball didn't start in July like it does now. Thanksgiving week used to kick off the season and that meant the only games students were in town for were the MAC games that started in January. The students will always have winter break, and there will always be basketball over said break. How do you suggest we control this?

 

You are missing my point. I don't care about the students seeing the games. This isnt an issue about students getting a fair shake.

I care about students being at the games so our players get the very noticable home court advantage having the students there provides.

I'm not complaining from the prospective of a student who wants to be able to go to games. I am complaining from the prospective of a fan of the program who wants the program to be successful as possible.
 

We have 8 non conference home games (counting Alabama A&M which appeared magically)
4/8 are while students are gone 3 of those I would argue are during major holiday travel periods when we shouldn't expect our non-student fans to show in full force.
 

The other 4/8? Northern Iowa was a good game. The other 3? Alabama A&M? At least it is on a Saturday unlike the silly Valpo Sunday game. Our other home game? A non D-1... I support scheduling 1 non D-1 a year.. Why is it that we can get this game on a Saturday when the other games aren't?
 

Having our premier non-conference game with students gone hurts our home atmosphere and homecourt advantage badly.
 

I completely understand that UMass possibly refused to play us while students are here fearing our crowd. That doesn't excuse the lack of other games to capitalize on homecourt advantage. I realize that there are scheduling constraints I don't understand but I don't think we are doing the best job we could be doing to capitalize on our special hoops atmosphere. 

From day 1, the biggest reason I've believed in this program is because the Convo (when it has students present) and a decent remaining crowd is one of the best mid-major hoops atmospheres in the nation. It is silly to not use it.
 

EDIT:
 

Let me add, I was a student 4 years at Ohio on quarters. When we switched to semesters, one of the big arguments I heard was "a couple more weeks students are in town for hoops"
 So why are we playing two home games over thanksgiving break and then going on the road while students are here before returning to play at home 1 game before students leave again???
That is backwards thinking.

 

 

Last Edited: 11/27/2013 10:44:03 AM by The Optimist
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Posted: 11/27/2013 11:04 AM

What happened to Treg Setty last night?  I just realized he didn't play.  Didn't hear anything on the broadcast about it.

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Posted: 11/27/2013 11:09 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
What happened to Treg Setty last night?  I just realized he didn't play.  Didn't hear anything on the broadcast about it.


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Posted: 11/27/2013 2:24 PM
How is Smitty getting his points?  Anything new to his game compared to last year?


It is not a bad thing to have your Smith and your Nature Boy.

 
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Posted: 11/27/2013 4:09 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more

I'll continue to discuss scheduling as long as we schedule the majority of our OOC games while students are on holiday breaks. It makes no sense to me.

The Convo looks empty tonight. Can't blame people considering Thanksgiving holiday.

As long as the MAC is playing November football on the weekdays I think we should be shooting for Saturday games. 

Also, if you look at our home schedule it is showing a Dec 13th home game vs Alabama A&M. I swear that wasn't there before.


Come on, Optimist - the students actually get to see some games now.  Used to be, we were on quarters, and college basketball didn't start in July like it does now. Thanksgiving week used to kick off the season and that meant the only games students were in town for were the MAC games that started in January. The students will always have winter break, and there will always be basketball over said break. How do you suggest we control this?

 

You are missing my point. I don't care about the students seeing the games. This isnt an issue about students getting a fair shake.

I care about students being at the games so our players get the very noticable home court advantage having the students there provides.

I'm not complaining from the prospective of a student who wants to be able to go to games. I am complaining from the prospective of a fan of the program who wants the program to be successful as possible.
 

We have 8 non conference home games (counting Alabama A&M which appeared magically)
4/8 are while students are gone 3 of those I would argue are during major holiday travel periods when we shouldn't expect our non-student fans to show in full force.
 

The other 4/8? Northern Iowa was a good game. The other 3? Alabama A&M? At least it is on a Saturday unlike the silly Valpo Sunday game. Our other home game? A non D-1... I support scheduling 1 non D-1 a year.. Why is it that we can get this game on a Saturday when the other games aren't?
 

Having our premier non-conference game with students gone hurts our home atmosphere and homecourt advantage badly.
 

I completely understand that UMass possibly refused to play us while students are here fearing our crowd. That doesn't excuse the lack of other games to capitalize on homecourt advantage. I realize that there are scheduling constraints I don't understand but I don't think we are doing the best job we could be doing to capitalize on our special hoops atmosphere. 

From day 1, the biggest reason I've believed in this program is because the Convo (when it has students present) and a decent remaining crowd is one of the best mid-major hoops atmospheres in the nation. It is silly to not use it.
 

EDIT:
 

Let me add, I was a student 4 years at Ohio on quarters. When we switched to semesters, one of the big arguments I heard was "a couple more weeks students are in town for hoops"
 So why are we playing two home games over thanksgiving break and then going on the road while students are here before returning to play at home 1 game before students leave again???
That is backwards thinking.

 

 



if you can show me where this problem is unique to Ohio I may consider your point to be valid.
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Posted: 11/28/2013 11:25 AM
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I'll continue to discuss scheduling as long as we schedule the majority of our OOC games while students are on holiday breaks. It makes no sense to me.

The Convo looks empty tonight. Can't blame people considering Thanksgiving holiday.

As long as the MAC is playing November football on the weekdays I think we should be shooting for Saturday games. 

Also, if you look at our home schedule it is showing a Dec 13th home game vs Alabama A&M. I swear that wasn't there before.


Come on, Optimist - the students actually get to see some games now.  Used to be, we were on quarters, and college basketball didn't start in July like it does now. Thanksgiving week used to kick off the season and that meant the only games students were in town for were the MAC games that started in January. The students will always have winter break, and there will always be basketball over said break. How do you suggest we control this?

 

You are missing my point. I don't care about the students seeing the games. This isnt an issue about students getting a fair shake.

I care about students being at the games so our players get the very noticable home court advantage having the students there provides.

I'm not complaining from the prospective of a student who wants to be able to go to games. I am complaining from the prospective of a fan of the program who wants the program to be successful as possible.
 

We have 8 non conference home games (counting Alabama A&M which appeared magically)
4/8 are while students are gone 3 of those I would argue are during major holiday travel periods when we shouldn't expect our non-student fans to show in full force.
 

The other 4/8? Northern Iowa was a good game. The other 3? Alabama A&M? At least it is on a Saturday unlike the silly Valpo Sunday game. Our other home game? A non D-1... I support scheduling 1 non D-1 a year.. Why is it that we can get this game on a Saturday when the other games aren't?
 

Having our premier non-conference game with students gone hurts our home atmosphere and homecourt advantage badly.
 

I completely understand that UMass possibly refused to play us while students are here fearing our crowd. That doesn't excuse the lack of other games to capitalize on homecourt advantage. I realize that there are scheduling constraints I don't understand but I don't think we are doing the best job we could be doing to capitalize on our special hoops atmosphere. 

From day 1, the biggest reason I've believed in this program is because the Convo (when it has students present) and a decent remaining crowd is one of the best mid-major hoops atmospheres in the nation. It is silly to not use it.
 

EDIT:
 

Let me add, I was a student 4 years at Ohio on quarters. When we switched to semesters, one of the big arguments I heard was "a couple more weeks students are in town for hoops"
 So why are we playing two home games over thanksgiving break and then going on the road while students are here before returning to play at home 1 game before students leave again???
That is backwards thinking.

 

 



if you can show me where this problem is unique to Ohio I may consider your point to be valid.

 

What does the issue being unique to Ohio have anything to do with the validity of my point?
 

Scheduling issues are NOT unique to Ohio. I have issues with the scheduling choices plenty of schools have made. That doesn't mean my criticism is always fair... In this case, I don't see the reasoning behind it.
 

Whether Miami or Marshall have the exact same issues or not isn't really relevant to my point.
 

The specific factors I referenced for Ohio aren't going to apply equally across the board. Schools in more populated areas obviously can rely less on students to create a strong homecourt atmosphere. Ohio's situation isn't exactly identical to anyone else.

Last Edited: 11/28/2013 11:34:07 AM by The Optimist
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Posted: 11/28/2013 11:28 AM
sooooooo  maybe going to Pitt when students are gone is a good idea?
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Posted: 11/28/2013 11:41 AM

bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
sooooooo  maybe going to Pitt when students are gone is a good idea?

 

Sounds like common sense to me.

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Posted: 11/28/2013 11:49 AM
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[QUOTE=perimeterpost][QUOTE=The Optimist]

What does the issue being unique to Ohio have anything to do with the validity of my point?
 

Scheduling issues are NOT unique to Ohio. I have issues with the scheduling choices plenty of schools have made. That doesn't mean my criticism is always fair... In this case, I don't see the reasoning behind it.
 

Whether Miami or Marshall have the exact same issues or not isn't really relevant to my point.
 

The specific factors I referenced for Ohio aren't going to apply equally across the board. Schools in more populated areas obviously can rely less on students to create a strong homecourt atmosphere. Ohio's situation isn't exactly identical to anyone else.



Because if the problem is not unique to Ohio and is more of a systemic issue then that would suggest that your scheduling concerns aren't the result of incompetence by someone at Ohio. There are larger, external factors at work and thus not as easy to correct.
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Posted: 11/28/2013 12:50 PM
I always thought semesters would be a "net" negative for basketball.

Look at it this way...now, it's likely that students miss 2 MAC games every year (the first for winter break, the last for spring break). Students never used to miss a MAC game. Sure, they get to see a couple more games in November...like the Heidelberg's of the world....but they're missing more games in December.

Semesters IS a positive for football...as the Kent State game this year formerly would have been on break. But for basketball? I don't think anyone saw it as a positive. When students are missing 2 MAC games, it's hard to argue that it's a good thing.
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Posted: 11/28/2013 1:28 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more

sooooooo  maybe going to Pitt when students are gone is a good idea?

 

Sounds like common sense to me.

Yeah, I thought I should have used the sarcasm button

 
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Posted: 3/10/2014 1:20 PM
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Mercer's scores are impressive so far this season.  A close three point loss at Texas, an OT victory vs. Seton Hall, and a blowout win over a decent Yale team.  They did lose by 13 at Evansville, but that is something that could happen to anyone.

Ohio better be ready for this team.


Prophetic eh..?

Punched the ticket to the big dance yesterday.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 2:49 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Mercer's scores are impressive so far this season.  A close three point loss at Texas, an OT victory vs. Seton Hall, and a blowout win over a decent Yale team.  They did lose by 13 at Evansville, but that is something that could happen to anyone.

Ohio better be ready for this team.


Prophetic eh..?

Punched the ticket to the big dance yesterday.


Not only did they punch the ticket, but they did it on the road in one seriously hostile environment.  I was rooting for FGCU just because I like what they're building there, and the great atmosphere of that arena yesterday.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 2:57 PM
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Mercer's scores are impressive so far this season.  A close three point loss at Texas, an OT victory vs. Seton Hall, and a blowout win over a decent Yale team.  They did lose by 13 at Evansville, but that is something that could happen to anyone.

Ohio better be ready for this team.


Prophetic eh..?

Punched the ticket to the big dance yesterday.


Not only did they punch the ticket, but they did it on the road in one seriously hostile environment.  I was rooting for FGCU just because I like what they're building there, and the great atmosphere of that arena yesterday.


It seems every year there's a few teams with home court advantage in conference title games that lose.  These two teams were closely matched, identical conference records and they split in the regular season.  I almost wonder if home court in such a high stakes game can add more pressure to the home team in these situations?
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Posted: 3/10/2014 3:01 PM
Surprised to read that this is Mercer's first trip to the dance since 1985.  They've had some pretty good teams recently.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 3:40 PM
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Surprised to read that this is Mercer's first trip to the dance since 1985.  They've had some pretty good teams recently.


It was Mercer as the home #1 seed last year, beaten by FGCU.  I guess they got their revenge.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 5:36 PM
Big Langston Hall fan. Good luck to them in the Big Dance. 
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