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Posted: 3/22/2014 8:48 AM
To get back on topic, im hoping for a good crowd today. Theres no reason we cant win this tournament, especially since we basically can will ourselves to have home games.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 9:22 AM
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Really think football has been better than average MAC over the last two years?


Of course. We've been the MAC's most consistent program. These were not "great" years...but certainly above-average. Two bowl games and one bowl win? I think some of you forget where we came from. Most of us would have given our left arm for that in the 80's and 90's.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 10:04 AM
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I don't understand what exactly some think the goal is...


What is the goal?

At some point in the past, someone on this board called athletics "a window to the University" and I really like that phrasing. If your goal is to win all-sports titles or provide gifted athletes the chance to earn an education, that is great. Those are both things that can be accomplished at any level of college athletics. However those are not the goals that lead McDavis and the Trustees to OK spending millions of dollars competing at the D-1 level... Athletics provides a great showcase for the many positives this University offers. Beyond D-1 athletics, there simply are not many (any) other avenues where you can spend money and possibly (likeliness of success can be debated) gain the kind of publicity (local and nationally) that D-1 Athletics (specifically football and Men's basketball) provide. If you want one concise target goal, I would say something along the lines of "showcase the positives of Ohio University to the world." College athletics can have a ton of goals and benefits. Justifying millions in spending on the D-1 level is a much more targeted goal.
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To get back on topic, im hoping for a good crowd today. Theres no reason we cant win this tournament, especially since we basically can will ourselves to have home games.

I am very guilty of sidetracking threads. My apologies. I really wanna win this thing. If we do keep winning, I am curious if we can really get people excited about it. Would be very cool to see a great crowd for a CIT final in the Convo. I'd make a trip for that!

Gotta get the W today.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 11:02 AM
Wow...talk about hijacking a thread! ; )

One key will be for Maurice to have a better game today than he did vs. CSU. He did get better in the second half and made a couple of key passes and got nine rebounds, but to win today, I think we need more from him. Fewer turnovers, more consistent impact throughout the game.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 11:36 AM
Indeed--Nature Boy made a nice pass to Campbell which would've led to a lay in if it hadn't led to the free throws which proved decisive.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 11:46 AM
Has there been any update on his health?
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Posted: 3/22/2014 11:52 AM
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I don't understand what exactly some think the goal is...


What is the goal?

 If you want one concise target goal, I would say something along the lines of "showcase the positives of Ohio University to the world."

On that, we agree. But I don't think your arguments that EMU is "destroying the value" of Ohio University is valid. If EMU is dragging down the entire conference in athletics, what does that say about our athletics program when their teams -- men's and women's -- both collectively performed better than ours? Oh, that's right, we should not be counting women's sports nor the other sports that make up college athletics programs.

So let's play it that way and focus only on FB and MBB since that's all that really matters, right? Ohio's combined record in those sports over the last five years is the best in the MAC and ranks them among the top 30 in the nation. EMU has been terrible in football and decent in basketball with atrocious attendance. So let's kick them out of the conference because they drag us down?

EMUs "embarrassment" has not stopped the MAC from getting a BCS bowl, nor did it cause NIU to choke when they had a shot at a second straight BCS bid. EMU's "embarrassment" didn't stop Ohio from reaching the Sweet 16.

What IS embarrassing is the performance of Akron and WMU on a national stage in the NCAA tournament -- when things like the Abreu arrest are nationally publicized. Among the MAC's many issues, EMU isn't the one that is magically going to change the future of the conference.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 1:13 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
I don't understand what exactly some think the goal is...


What is the goal?

If you want one concise target goal, I would say something along the lines of "showcase the positives of Ohio University to the world."

On that, we agree. But I don't think your arguments that EMU is "destroying the value" of Ohio University is valid. If EMU is dragging down the entire conference in athletics, what does that say about our athletics program when their teams -- men's and women's -- both collectively performed better than ours? Oh, that's right, we should not be counting women's sports nor the other sports that make up college athletics programs.

So let's play it that way and focus only on FB and MBB since that's all that really matters, right? Ohio's combined record in those sports over the last five years is the best in the MAC and ranks them among the top 30 in the nation. EMU has been terrible in football and decent in basketball with atrocious attendance. So let's kick them out of the conference because they drag us down?

EMUs "embarrassment" has not stopped the MAC from getting a BCS bowl, nor did it cause NIU to choke when they had a shot at a second straight BCS bid. EMU's "embarrassment" didn't stop Ohio from reaching the Sweet 16.

What IS embarrassing is the performance of Akron and WMU on a national stage in the NCAA tournament -- when things like the Abreu arrest are nationally publicized. Among the MAC's many issues, EMU isn't the one that is magically going to change the future of the conference.
We can try to act like we care about other sports the same but all the attendance and money is in those two. Do the other ones matter? yes but we can't act like they're all equal. When a person is watching on TV and see's a EMU basketball game on and no one is there they're going to think that no one cares about the teams playing and that the ENTIRE conference is like that. I certainly feel that way about other conferences. I see Florida AT&T on TV and no one is there I just assume that all of the teams in that conference are smalls schools that aren't good at sports. I'm sure that's not the case but without evidence why should people think differently. When I talk to my friends from OSU and trash talk they just tell me that we play in the MAC and our conference is irrelevant and that no one cares. How do they get that perception that no one cares. from teams like EMU Miami and Northern Illinois
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Posted: 3/22/2014 1:20 PM
Sorry, but I think Ohio stands on its own.  We've got some signature wins and history.  And no one knows who's in EMU's conference.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 2:29 PM
I'd take NIU's "choking" or WMU's "embarrassment" than EMU's drawing 373 fans to a home game with a good team any day.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 2:38 PM
Certainly not official but based on the cit feed, my god does the Convo look empty today. 1k "looks" like it might be close.

Also we're playing like the season ended last week. Good to see.

 
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Posted: 3/22/2014 2:41 PM
It's be beaten on, but it deserves it. Our webcasts are soooo bad for a school known for video/journalism.  I clicked on VMI feed by accident first and wow...what a difference.  Can know score and have audio commentators in HD.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 2:45 PM
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It's be beaten on, but it deserves it. Our webcasts are soooo bad for a school known for video/journalism.  I clicked on VMI feed by accident first and wow...what a difference.  Can know score and have audio commentators in HD.


Yeah I had to take it off full screen so that I could load up ESPN Gametracker just to know the time/score. 

 
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Posted: 3/22/2014 3:57 PM
All you need to know:  We didn't play well, but we winned.



 
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Posted: 3/22/2014 4:13 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
All you need to know:  We didn't play well, but we winned.



 


Bean!! 5-6 on 3's and only guy in double figures and I believe his high point total as a Bobcat.  I thought Campbell lost it when he threw up an ill advised 3.

Travis, although hurt, made perhaps the biggest play with the steal that allowed us to go up by 3. JC said Travis
isn't even practicing so he's obviously in pain.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 4:20 PM
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When I talk to my friends from OSU and trash talk they just tell me that we play in the MAC and our conference is irrelevant and that no one cares. How do they get that perception that no one cares. from teams like EMU Miami and Northern Illinois


No, they have that perception because they are OSU fans and everything revolves around them. The only way to shut them up is to do what Dayton did to them and what Ohio did to Michigan. Even then, they'll make some excuse. If your goal is to be able to trade trash talk with OSU fans, it's a lost cause.
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Posted: 3/22/2014 4:28 PM
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I'd take NIU's "choking" or WMU's "embarrassment" than EMU's drawing 373 fans to a home game with a good team any day.


Nobody in basketball is really talking about the EMU attendance. Not with the opening round of March Madness. What IS highly visible to millions of people is when Akron and WMU have terrible performances on a national stage. For the MAC to gain national respect, they have to win on the national stage when presented to them. 0-8 from non-Ohio U. MAC teams in the tourney does more damage than a low-attended basketball game that no one really cares about anyway. If they had gotten 13,000, would it have changed anything? If Akron or WMU would have won would it have created more respect for the MAC?
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Posted: 3/22/2014 4:47 PM
Agree with OhioStunter. Of course that also validates the position that the only thing that matters is the NCAA tourney.

The reality is somewhere in between. It's true that tournaments like the CIT matter to individual players/coaches/fan bases. There is legitimate progress to be made (see: Campbell and Bean). On the same token it's also true that the NCAA is only thing that matters on a NATIONAL perception level. It's NCAA or bust if you want real national exposure and recognition, and that is precisely where the MAC is failing miserably and why Johnny OSU fan says nobody cares about the MAC.

 
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Posted: 3/22/2014 4:59 PM
3,533 attendance, a little less than VMI today
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Posted: 3/22/2014 5:01 PM
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3,533 attendance, a little less than VMI today

Along those lines, does anybody know what it's costing us to buy home games for the CIT? I just wonder how much we're losing by only selling 3k tickets (actually less with students for free etc.), and then what's the difference versus the money it would cost to travel for an away game? Just things to think about as we progress in the tournament as to whether we should keep hosting games or not.

 
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Posted: 3/22/2014 5:07 PM
We haven't had to travel, so we couldn't have lost too much, if any.  
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Posted: 3/22/2014 5:19 PM
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Posted: 3/22/2014 5:22 PM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
3,533 attendance, a little less than VMI today

Along those lines, does anybody know what it's costing us to buy home games for the CIT? I just wonder how much we're losing by only selling 3k tickets (actually less with students for free etc.), and then what's the difference versus the money it would cost to travel for an away game? Just things to think about as we progress in the tournament as to whether we should keep hosting games or not.

 


According to WPSD, a TV channel out of Western Kentucky.

"It will cost Murray State $36,000 to host this game. That's the fee the CIT charges for any team to host a game during the tournament. Murray State will get to keep any money above the $36,000 that is brought in Monday night."

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Posted: 3/22/2014 5:22 PM
Also, did you see one of the officials for the game was Gene Steratore, a well-known NFL Referee?
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Posted: 3/22/2014 7:47 PM
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3,533 attendance, a little less than VMI today

(actually less with students for free etc.)
 

I don't think there were 200 students there today

 
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