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Posted: 4/2/2014 8:57 PM
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You make a commitment to a group of young men, and a community, that you're here to win championships - to take the program to an entirely new level.  You're an Ohio guy…heck, your wife is a Bobcat.  You tell your players that you're all part of a "pack" that must relentlessly pursue its goal no matter what happens. Your players buy in 100%…one plays on a broken limb, another with bad knees and ankles…all to continue the pursuit of that goal.  And then you bail on them when the first opportunity arises. Nope, you don't consider maybe actually building the dominant program you talked about and then somewhere down the road taking a job that will pay three times your salary.  You want it now. And the Pack?  Screw 'em.  They're left in the dark along with the league's most devoted fans. 

Again, assuming that this looks the same once the smoke of battle clears, SBH here conveys my feelings better than I could.  JC always seemed like an unusually sincere and up front guy to me.  I've had a few personal conversations with him and came away thinking that this was a man of great integrity.  His wearing of the Charlie turtle neck sweater seemed to show a man with a great deal of sensitivity and one who would always consider how his actions affected others.  What APPEARS to be happening now makes all of that a total sham.  Perhaps I'm suffering from jet lag (over one time zone) from my arrival back from Buenos Aires yesterday morning after a red-eye flight and am suffering from a lack of sleep and hallucinating this whole thing! It all seems to surreal. 

 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ohio can place conditions on the release of the LOI.  I hope they take a stand and release the LOI on the condition he doesn't go to Boston College.  I think we need to set that precident now, so three years from now when we're talking about the same situation, this crap isn't even attempted.

I know I'm going to get jumped on here for following players and signees on twitter, but all of his tweets were very positive during the MAC tourny about how he couldn't wait to come to Ohio and play with this group of players.  The players are still here, so why the change of heart?  Very dissappointing.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 9:05 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ohio can place conditions on the release of the LOI.  I hope they take a stand and release the LOI on the condition he doesn't go to Boston College.  I think we need to set that precident now, so three years from now when we're talking about the same situation, this crap isn't even attempted.

I know I'm going to get jumped on here for following players and signees on twitter, but all of his tweets were very positive during the MAC tourny about how he couldn't wait to come to Ohio and play with this group of players.  The players are still here, so why the change of heart?  Very dissappointing.

Agree with both of your points. I'll be very disappointed if we let JC (assuming he is gone) pull a Danny Nee.  He had a high-profile recruit from Lancaster who had signed an LOI.  Ohio just caved in and gave him an unconditional release and he followed Nee to Nebraska. I didn't like it then, and I won't like it if that's what happens with Owens.  OHIO needs to have some guts in these kinds of situations.  

 
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I think that kid was Nee's nephew or something, wasn't he?

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I think that kid was Nee's nephew or something, wasn't he?


That's the first I ever heard that there was a relationship between the two.  Nee was from the NYC area.  I was unaware that he had any Ohio kin.  I don't remember reading anything like this at the time, but my memory has been proven wrong here on BA on a few occasions in the past. 

 
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It's a job people! In any job you committ to doing the best you can while you are there, JC did this. As for Owens, you think with his stock soaring this year after he signed that he is looking for a reason to jump to a bigger ship? anyone who signs In the early period of their Senior year, you are talking to play for that coach who recruited them a 5 year window, and the average lifespan of a DI head Coach is probably less than 5 years. The majority of College football and basketball players do NOT play their entire careers for the person who signed them.
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I know I'm going to get jumped on here for following players and signees on twitter,.


No problem with you following them. YOu should see how many fans follow players and recruits at real basketball schools.

I like it ...we have an evolving fanbase 




 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ohio can place conditions on the release of the LOI. I hope they take a stand and release the LOI on the condition he doesn't go to Boston College. I think we need to set that precident now, so three years from now when we're talking about the same situation, this crap isn't even attempted.

I know I'm going to get jumped on here for following players and signees on twitter, but all of his tweets were very positive during the MAC tourny about how he couldn't wait to come to Ohio and play with this group of players. The players are still here, so why the change of heart? Very dissappointing.
hey kid, we'll let you go but you can't go to Boston College. You'll have to settle for one of your previous measly offers from the likes of Miami, Georgetown or VCU. That'll show him who's boss.
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My biggest thing is what does BC see in him? This is someone who already tucked his tail once. As a place that will be pressed to finish in the top half of the ACC for the immediate future, what's to say JC doesn't bail again at some point?


another voice of reason...and close to the destination. Good stuff. Keep us posted on local sports media.


Unfortunately just had a friend of mine say, my only guy there was Donahue. See if I can tap anyone else, but it's a lot of following Goodman, who I am pretty sure still lives in the area.
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Posted: 4/2/2014 9:46 PM
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I think that kid was Nee's nephew or something, wasn't he?


Beau Reid was from Lancaster and his Dad went to Nebraska to be an assistant to Nee as well.
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I'd love to hear from all the Jim Christian fans now. At least when we lost Groce/LeVert...we were left with a Sweet 16 appearance and 3 NCAA Tourney wins. 




I'm trying to figure what one has to do with the other.   Welcome to the life of a successful MAC program.  Ask Xavier and Butler how they dealt with it...or just howl at the moon.  It sucks but it is what it is.
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I'd love to hear from all the Jim Christian fans now. At least when we lost Groce/LeVert...we were left with a Sweet 16 appearance and 3 NCAA Tourney wins. 




I'm trying to figure what one has to do with the other.   Welcome to the life of a successful MAC program.  Ask Xavier and Butler how they dealt with it...or just howl at the moon.  It sucks but it is what it is.


Lots of people here just don't 'GET' that this job in Athens isn't a 'destination' job  ... that it's a stepping stone. If a coach does poorly he gets beat up. If he's successul he also gets trashed. Same kind of comments when Groce left. And probably some of  the same posters.
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I'd love to hear from all the Jim Christian fans now. At least when we lost Groce/LeVert...we were left with a Sweet 16 appearance and 3 NCAA Tourney wins. 




I'm trying to figure what one has to do with the other.   Welcome to the life of a successful MAC program.  Ask Xavier and Butler how they dealt with it...or just howl at the moon.  It sucks but it is what it is.


Lots of people here just don't 'GET' that this job in Athens isn't a 'destination' job  ... that it's a stepping stone. If a coach does poorly he gets beat up. If he's successul he also gets trashed. Same kind of comments when Groce left. And probably some of  the same posters.


And these players not worth a coach's commitment, i guess?


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Personally, I thought Groce handled everything has professionally as possible. Was here 4 years, not 2.  I remember reading an interview with him in Blue Ribbon basketball yearbook prior to his first season in Illinois. It seemed all he wanted to talk about was his Bobcat team, how much he enjoyed coaching the guys, the toughness they showed.  My only complaint is that we should have really leaned on him to schedule an Illini game in Athens...just 1.  That would have been the best "thank you" possible.   
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Posted: 4/2/2014 10:22 PM
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And these players not worth a coach's commitment, i guess?




Like it or not you sign to play for a school. Not happy about the coach before the school situation...I think it is part of the equation with the transfers. Somehow we got to get kids back to thinking about playing for a school as much as they do about the coach. Been there, done that. Stevie is in the same boat. Been there once, he loves OHIO. Wild horses can't move kids that love where they are. 

Best advice I ever heard said to a recruit from his HS coach.....kid had a Butler offer for 2 years but was waiting for bigger offers..." when you are sitting in your room looking at the books of a very hard class, your girlfriend just left you, your shot is not falling or your coach just took another job you better be able to look around and be very happy with where you are....take the Butler scholly"  I have used that line many times when talking to players and recruits. (part of why I believe OHIO is a great recruiting place)

 
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I'd love to hear from all the Jim Christian fans now. At least when we lost Groce/LeVert...we were left with a Sweet 16 appearance and 3 NCAA Tourney wins. 




I'm trying to figure what one has to do with the other.   Welcome to the life of a successful MAC program.  Ask Xavier and Butler how they dealt with it...or just howl at the moon.  It sucks but it is what it is.


Lots of people here just don't 'GET' that this job in Athens isn't a 'destination' job  ... that it's a stepping stone. If a coach does poorly he gets beat up. If he's successul he also gets trashed. Same kind of comments when Groce left. And probably some of  the same posters.


And these players not worth a coach's commitment, i guess?


No idea what you do for a living but plenty of people who work in a corporate environment have bosses who take great interest in developing their staff, younger employees, mentor them, etc. But when a better opportunity comes along with vastly superior compensation they often take it. Doesn't mean they don't care about their subordinates. Times have changed ...this isn't the 60's or 70's. The days of Jim Snyder, Fred Taylor, Adolph Rupp and John Wooden are long gone. Unless you're a destination program you're a stopping along point. Life goes on ...

I was hoping he'd stay as I think he's a darn good coach and got more out of what he had to work with this year than I expected given how beat up we were.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ohio can place conditions on the release of the LOI.  I hope they take a stand and release the LOI on the condition he doesn't go to Boston College.  I think we need to set that precident now, so three years from now when we're talking about the same situation, this crap isn't even attempted.

I know I'm going to get jumped on here for following players and signees on twitter, but all of his tweets were very positive during the MAC tourny about how he couldn't wait to come to Ohio and play with this group of players.  The players are still here, so why the change of heart?  Very dissappointing.


Are you following Owens?  Is the current team tweeting him some Bobcat Love?  Are the Ohio fans?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ohio can place conditions on the release of the LOI.  I hope they take a stand and release the LOI on the condition he doesn't go to Boston College.  I think we need to set that precident now, so three years from now when we're talking about the same situation, this crap isn't even attempted.

I know I'm going to get jumped on here for following players and signees on twitter, but all of his tweets were very positive during the MAC tourny about how he couldn't wait to come to Ohio and play with this group of players.  The players are still here, so why the change of heart?  Very dissappointing.


Are you following Owens?  Is the current team tweeting him some Bobcat Love?  Are the Ohio fans?


It won't help. He's gone.
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And these players not worth a coach's commitment, i guess?




Like it or not you sign to play for a school. 
 


Which ties back into this lawsuit.......player eligibility and transfers are tightly regulated, and compensation is fixed. Yet coaches (and administrators) can freely transfer between schools and negotiate greatly increased compensation as a function of the market.

Things that cannot go on forever, won't. The NCAA as we know it is on borrowed time, and the cause of BA's highest traffic count since Groce Watch is one of many reasons why.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ohio can place conditions on the release of the LOI. I hope they take a stand and release the LOI on the condition he doesn't go to Boston College. I think we need to set that precident now, so three years from now when we're talking about the same situation, this crap isn't even attempted.

I know I'm going to get jumped on here for following players and signees on twitter, but all of his tweets were very positive during the MAC tourny about how he couldn't wait to come to Ohio and play with this group of players. The players are still here, so why the change of heart? Very dissappointing.


hey kid, we'll let you go but you can't go to Boston College. You'll have to settle for one of your previous measly offers from the likes of Miami, Georgetown or VCU. That'll show him who's boss.


My point wasn't to stick it to Owens, my point was, we need to make sure that coaches don't leave us searching for a new coach, plus trying to replace all of our players.  Apparently based on your opinion of his other choices he made a mistake signing here anyway.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ohio can place conditions on the release of the LOI. I hope they take a stand and release the LOI on the condition he doesn't go to Boston College. I think we need to set that precident now, so three years from now when we're talking about the same situation, this crap isn't even attempted.

I know I'm going to get jumped on here for following players and signees on twitter, but all of his tweets were very positive during the MAC tourny about how he couldn't wait to come to Ohio and play with this group of players. The players are still here, so why the change of heart? Very dissappointing.


hey kid, we'll let you go but you can't go to Boston College. You'll have to settle for one of your previous measly offers from the likes of Miami, Georgetown or VCU. That'll show him who's boss.


My point wasn't to stick it to Owens, my point was, we need to make sure that coaches don't leave us searching for a new coach, plus trying to replace all of our players. Apparently based on your opinion of his other choices he made a mistake signing here anyway.
my point is there's not really a point in giving him restrictions when he has other, favorable options. He's already quoted as saying he's willing to sit out next year if he has to.
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I think that kid was Nee's nephew or something, wasn't he?

That's the first I ever heard that there was a relationship between the two.  Nee was from the NYC area.  I was unaware that he had any Ohio kin.  I don't remember reading anything like this at the time, but my memory has been proven wrong here on BA on a few occasions in the past.

The player in question was Beau Reid, from Lancaster, Ohio.  So far as I know, he wasn't related to Nee, however, Nee did hire as his assistant coach Beau Reid's father, at least for a couple years.
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I think that kid was Nee's nephew or something, wasn't he?

That's the first I ever heard that there was a relationship between the two.  Nee was from the NYC area.  I was unaware that he had any Ohio kin.  I don't remember reading anything like this at the time, but my memory has been proven wrong here on BA on a few occasions in the past.

The player in question was Beau Reid, from Lancaster, Ohio.  So far as I know, he wasn't related to Nee, however, Nee did hire as his assistant coach Beau Reid's father, at least for a couple years.

Trolling the basketball forum, heh?  

Seriously, thanks for your input.  Your right about the name, which for some reason I always have trouble remembering.  I think I've subconsciously repressed.  I always thought hiring the father to get the kid to ask out of his LOI was a rather sleazy move.  I thought OHIO rolled over too easily on this one.

 
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The good thing is that no one's going overly emotional or working with less than complete info on all these threads.
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I think I am in a state of denial because Owens is rated so high, but when I think about this ordeal, I am not too surprised he may be leaving. First of all his coach may be leaving and he was at 3 different schools in the past year wasn't he? Also sounds like a kid that can't make up his mind.
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