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Posted: 2/15/2015 10:49 AM
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Posted: 2/15/2015 4:26 PM
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And, to add to another point in this thread: OUr offense has been pitiful all year!
That is the only point. Saul teaches an offense. Like all other programs they run it and run it and then game time comes and pfffffffffft 3 to 5 secs into the shot clock and guys go on attack mode. There is no explanation. Just accept it as the way this year is going.

We still talk about the Wilderness Campaign. Not sure why someone has not come up with a similarly memorable moniker for this year

give up trying to figure it out. There is no describing entropy and other random movement.
You are spot on! Regardless how often you work on certain things in practice, the kids carrying it over is the most important and sometimes the most challenging part.
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Posted: 2/15/2015 4:28 PM
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Just wondering but what do you expect him to do? Would you prefer the guard have an uncontested layup? He's got to come off his man. If his man scores, that's on the guard who got beat to begin with.
how many times has that been said this year. Early on our bigs were getting in LOADS of foul trouble because of poor guard D. Still bad but they have learned not to foul.
Would be interested in knowing what the defensive philosophy is, force middle and help up, or force baseline and help over.
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Posted: 2/15/2015 5:47 PM
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Would be interested in knowing what the defensive philosophy is, force middle and help up, or force baseline and help over.
Hard to tell when opposing guards are constantly turning the corner and getting to the rim. SOme individuals use every opportunity to go under every screen. I am not sure that is a coaching philosophy as much as players only knowing/seeing that route. One thing for sure. The pack line is living somewhere else than in the COnvo where it was for a few years. Not sure what will be taught over the summer.

for those who want a guide this is a simple overview that will make you look smart at the bar http://www.coachesclipboard.net/BasketballPackLineDefense...
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Posted: 2/15/2015 5:50 PM
Oh, I agree with that 110%, that's why I asked, because you cannot really see a philosophy at play, I'm sure there is one, and I'm sure one is being taught, but like I stated in another post, not really seeing the carryover.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 8:29 AM
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All the good will and fans the program built in the last 6 years can be trashed in a year if all the negativity is amped up and those casual or fringe Bobcat fans go away with a bad taste and find a winner. Getting them back will be much harder than winning them over the first time.
Really good point here.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 9:01 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
All the good will and fans the program built in the last 6 years can be trashed in a year if all the negativity is amped up and those casual or fringe Bobcat fans go away with a bad taste and find a winner. Getting them back will be much harder than winning them over the first time.
Really good point here.
I don't know if it's as much going away and finding a winner as it is just going away. If you compare the season ticket list from 10 years ago to today, there are quite a few folks who have just found something else to do and it's not watching some other team.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 9:39 AM
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I don't know if it's as much going away and finding a winner as it is just going away. If you compare the season ticket list from 10 years ago to today, there are quite a few folks who have just found something else to do and it's not watching some other team.
Yet we have what? 4 or 5 times the number of season ticket holders since then?? Don't think too many have gone away, short of those friends that have gotten in poor health or gone to the Convo in the sky.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 10:55 AM
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I don't know if it's as much going away and finding a winner as it is just going away. If you compare the season ticket list from 10 years ago to today, there are quite a few folks who have just found something else to do and it's not watching some other team.
Yet we have what? 4 or 5 times the number of season ticket holders since then?? Don't think too many have gone away, short of those friends that have gotten in poor health or gone to the Convo in the sky.
Until someone actually does a public records request on the number of actual season tickets sold by category per year for the last 5 years, I don't put much credence in the numbers coming out of the Convo. For the most part, family packs are throw away seats. If you choose to go, and that's a big if, when the tickets cost next to nothing, you can pretty much sit where you want.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 11:43 AM
I've been struck by the number of no-shows in the lower bowl that what I believe has been reported is sold-out with season ticket holders. These are the seats that require a per seat fee as well. If so there are lots of people just not showing up and this was the same, but not quite as bad, as last year too. It should be noted as well that lots and lots of the attendees in these lower bowl seats are graying rapidly of which I am one by full disclosure.

No quibbling this year has been painful to watch. We've also been quite spoiled over the last decade with some exceptional bball. We've had quite an upheaval over the past 3-4 years. As someone else pointed out this March will make only 3 years since our Sweet 16 run. There has been no continuity since then and we are really paying the price this year in particular.

Schaus has an exceptional track record in hiring BBall coaches. He didn't miss with Saul. You have to give Saul time to put a foundation back under this thing. Wait till the wins start again and the bandwagoners will be jumping back on. Saul has just had to endure this year to be able to get to next year. Better days are ahead.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 12:12 PM
Many season ticket holders in the lower bowl live out of town and only make it to weekend games and perhaps 1-2 "big" weeknight games. But I will say that the ushering has gotten a bit better this year in regards to keeping other fans out of the lower bowl. That always annoys me when someone sneaks down there and sits in seats that I know are not theirs.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 12:56 PM
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Many season ticket holders in the lower bowl live out of town and only make it to weekend games and perhaps 1-2 "big" weeknight games. But I will say that the ushering has gotten a bit better this year in regards to keeping other fans out of the lower bowl. That always annoys me when someone sneaks down there and sits in seats that I know are not theirs.
Empty seats look bad. That's why they have seat fillers for the televised award shows. Personally I hope someone can fill my 4 seats when we're not there and I haven't been able to give them away. It looks better than a bunch of empty seats.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 1:42 PM
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But I will say that the ushering has gotten a bit better this year in regards to keeping other fans out of the lower bowl. That always annoys me when someone sneaks down there and sits in seats that I know are not theirs.
If the ticket holders aren't going to use them, they should be filled.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 3:07 PM
Ok, public apology time. Catfan28, I have 3 kids and each year buy a family pack plus one. My dad has had the same single season ticket seat for 40 years in the lower bowl. I honestly wish his section was packed for every game but unfortunately there are more empty seats than butts in seats in his section. I usually watch the first half in my own section then join my old man in his section as there are so many open seats around him. My older son and/or daughter usually just join grandpa from the opening tip. Again, it frustrates me that these seats aren't filled by the people who paid for them, and I know I'm getting old because it bothers me that I'm sneaking into better seats, but in the end I think it's better that those of us who are vocally into the game are closer, and I think it 's better for the cameras if the lower bowl doesn't look so pathetic. I wish I could afford 5 lower bowl seats but it's not going to happen especially with college rapidly approaching for my eldest and his sister not far behind. And we also couldn't get the seats next to Dad (after 40 years of being at 99% of games in his seat he's not moving). So, sorry catfan28 if my family annoys you, but there's our story.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 3:20 PM
Call me selfish or cantankerous, but whether I'm in the Convo or on vacation...I want my seats to be my seats. I paid good money for them, and someone else who paid $15 to sit up in Row P shouldn't have access to them. I know that I'm not alone in this sentiment, as many of those around me in the gold section feel the same way when someone "commandeers" the seats around us. One of our more boisterous neighbors has gone so far as to confront someone (which I wouldn't do or recommend) when they sat in his friend's seats.

Now, that's not to say that I haven't given my seats to friends before - I take no issue with those who do that. But just taking squatters rights on seats that belong to someone else isn't right. I think most of us would be protective of something we paid $300+ for.

GroverBall- Hey, I can't blame you. If the ushers aren't doing their job, more power to you. And if I sat in the family pack seats, I'd probably be trying to move down too.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 3:37 PM
Warning caftan, this may give you a migraine. :)

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/two-iri...
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Posted: 2/16/2015 3:51 PM
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But I will say that the ushering has gotten a bit better this year in regards to keeping other fans out of the lower bowl. That always annoys me when someone sneaks down there and sits in seats that I know are not theirs.
If the ticket holders aren't going to use them, they should be filled.
i can very much appreciate this POV and I agree about the seats looking a hell of a lot better if they're full. But at the same time, the seats lose value if anyone can just slide down into them and there's less incentive to upgrade.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 4:12 PM
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But I will say that the ushering has gotten a bit better this year in regards to keeping other fans out of the lower bowl. That always annoys me when someone sneaks down there and sits in seats that I know are not theirs.
If the ticket holders aren't going to use them, they should be filled.
i can very much appreciate this POV and I agree about the seats looking a hell of a lot better if they're full. But at the same time, the seats lose value if anyone can just slide down into them and there's less incentive to upgrade.
This is only true if there are seats available. If I literally can't buy the seats, which was the case when I tried, there's no loss in value.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 4:13 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
But I will say that the ushering has gotten a bit better this year in regards to keeping other fans out of the lower bowl. That always annoys me when someone sneaks down there and sits in seats that I know are not theirs.
If the ticket holders aren't going to use them, they should be filled.
i can very much appreciate this POV and I agree about the seats looking a hell of a lot better if they're full. But at the same time, the seats lose value if anyone can just slide down into them and there's less incentive to upgrade.
Can't argue with that but this is an unusual season. In Groce's last year, there was no chance to just slide down. This year you don't even have to slide, you can just walk down there. That said, because the ad trolls this site, my guess is that the yellow coats will be quite active from here on out.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 5:21 PM
Anyone who wants to sit in my 2 Bobcat Black seats is welcome to them. No, I don't want to auction them off, either. I don't regret renewing them, but I doubt anyone would argue that this team simply isn't worthy of 6 hours of windshield time. Looking forward to next year.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 5:30 PM
Love the story in the article Grover. As a kid I would go with my dad scouting. I was a preschooler keeping rebounds and shot charts learning how to find seats where you could see the game and keep stats. Part of that looking like you belong.

That has carried on through my years in CHicago and then moving to Indiana. If I am at a game to see a kid pre game and evaluate, quite frequently we are there before tickets are being sold. If I am already in, why go back out? If I leave a game early I may stop and walk in another game after halftime...pays to scan the radio in the car.

Everywhere I have ever gone from the times we were at the Gardens in Cincy to Withrow before Millett was built to the present I have found an empty seat, and usually as close to the court as I can get. Call me a serial seat upgrader. I usually find really great basketball fans and always move if they ask respecting the money they pay. I respect those folks with season tix and always ask before sitting down if the seat is available and would they mind but have only found a few folks who took a stance so I found another place to be.

No disrespect to those who shell out big bucks and I wish the AD would put a ticket exchange up as I truly thing most who are casual fans with a chance to move down are more likely to buy season tics or come back if they had a good time, but I always try to give my tics away if I am not gonna be there hoping to scare up some new followers.

I see the same lament about season ticket holders tying up big money seats and not showing up on many, many boards across the NCAA. I get the squatter who is not polite getting tossed but really, moving folks into those seats as the game goes on should be a selling point and a goodwill act that happens IMHO.Maybe i will devise a scanner that shows those seats as available in real time and sell the idea to colleges. The problem is endemic and should be used as a marketing tool rather than leave the sea of empty seats for the casual fan looking in from the computer or at the game
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Posted: 2/16/2015 5:56 PM
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I've been struck by the number of no-shows in the lower bowl that what I believe has been reported is sold-out with season ticket holders. These are the seats that require a per seat fee as well. If so there are lots of people just not showing up and this was the same, but not quite as bad, as last year too. It should be noted as well that lots and lots of the attendees in these lower bowl seats are graying rapidly of which I am one by full disclosure.
Good point, and I grayed a while back myself.

The large attendance numbers reported for our games reflects tickets sold (plus students) not butts in seats. I'll bet there's a 3-4k discrepancy between the two, much of it due to empty lower bowl seats.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 6:30 PM
Yes, I have to laugh. When they talk about our fans being the best in the Mac and I see all those empty seats in the lower bowl I just shake my head. Better to have them filled like what you see at a Michigan or Illinois or anybody else big-time game than to have them half empty all the time. So, just charge people another five dollars to sit down there when you're empty. You collect the money when they start down that way.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 6:48 PM
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Yes, I have to laugh. When they talk about our fans being the best in the Mac and I see all those empty seats in the lower bowl I just shake my head. Better to have them filled like what you see at a Michigan or Illinois or anybody else big-time game than to have them half empty all the time. So, just charge people another five dollars to sit down there when you're empty. You collect the money when they start down that way.
People bought those seats though. Not to be crotchety, but when I pay $300 for my seat...it's my seat! I've purchased it for the whole season. One guy near us lives in Michigan. He makes maybe 2-3 games a year. But he shelled out $300+ for each of his 4 seats including an OBC donation. And he's had those seats for years. I think we need more folks like that, not less. Even if you can't support the program with your attendance - supporting with your wallet is perhaps even more admirable. I'll bet other schools in the MAC don't have nearly as many folks like that buying season tickets to the tune of $1,000+ and only coming to a few games.
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Posted: 2/16/2015 8:02 PM
Jesus would let people use His seats.
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