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Posted: 2/11/2015 11:09 AM
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I really didn't think we played that great of defense besides Mo. CMU just missed many wide open shots and shots close to the rim. You can call it good defense, but I would say it was sub par.
I'm not so sure he should be immune to the defensive faults, either. If you watched closely last night, he got suckered into leaving his man looking for a blocked shot more than once. CMU guard gets into the paint, Mo leaves his man to go look for a block, his man is left open and found by the CMU guard. I know I saw it twice for sure.

It was a poor game all around, I'm not sure anyone is immune to some criticism after last night.
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Posted: 2/11/2015 11:12 AM
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I agree with Stevie getting back into the starting lineup... despite some very in-close misses that we really needed yesterday... but also, when the early press was giving us trouble, Stevie should have hit the floor sooner off the bench. I think we were already down 12 by then. We needed him bringing the ball up. He's our press-breaker.
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Posted: 2/11/2015 11:35 AM
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Not to rag on either Ryan or Laster but don't lose sight of the fact that both were essentially undrafted free agents by the time Saul got the job. In an ideal world I would think Saul would have preferred one if not both of them would have been red-shirted this year. I do believe both will be solid contributors in the years ahead.

Have been saying for weeks I think Stevie needs to be back starting. It could not have possibly been worse than that start to last nites game. It just appears to this untrained eye that the flow is better when Stevie is in the game. He also appears to have some confidence back, not a bad time to hand him the ball.
Maybe the problem is who do you sit? Take Laster out, you gain a ball handler and lose a better defender. Take Bean out and you take out one of our top two scorers. I agree, Stevie has earned more PT with his play lately, but who do you sit? My knee jerk answer would be Laster, but that makes us really small on the perimeter with suspect defenders at both PG and SG.

I would sit Laster to start. In terms of size we really would not be constructed much differently from the line-up of last year: Stevie, Nick, Travis, Jon and Mo. Now: Stevie, Bean, Ryan, Tony and Mo. Acknowledge not perfect but there are always going to be pluses and minuses no matter the configuration of the starters and their strengths and weaknesses.
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Posted: 2/11/2015 12:26 PM
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I guess I was fortunate to miss the game, but how bad could the defense have been as a whole? CMU is a pretty good offensive team and shot 39 percent and that was apparently inflated by quite a few layups off of Ohio turnovers and second-chance points. Statistically it looks like the offense, especially in the first half, was a complete disaster.
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Posted: 2/11/2015 12:54 PM
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Some interesting points in the Steve/Laster comparison:

*For the season, they've both played about the same minutes per game (24.2 for Stevie; 21.3 for Laster), although there's a wider gap in MAC play (23.5 to 19.1).

*Stevie does turnovers on both ends of the floor: he leads the team with 28 steals but also has 40 TOs.
*Laster isn't nearly as aggressive on D (only 8 steals) but handles the ball much better (22 TOs).

*For the season, Laster has a better FG% than Stevie (42 to 32.9 total; 25 to 24.2 from 3) but has put up far fewer shots than Stevie (88 to 155 total; 8 to 66 from 3). In MAC play, Stevie is hitting 38.4% total (28 of 73) and Laster is at 36.8% (14 of 38).

*Laster is the much better FT shooter (75% to 64.8%), but doesn't get to the line as often (32 times vs 54 for Stevie).

*Stevie leads the team in assists with 53; Laster has 10. Interestingly, Bean leads this category in MAC play (35 to 32 for Stevie).

*Laster is better on the offensive glass (17 to 6) but Stevie is better on the defensive side (51-24).

Personally, I'd like to see Stevie start. He's a playmaker and shows some spark. We've used the same starting five for 11 games and we're sitting at 4-7. Time to shake things up.
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Posted: 2/11/2015 1:56 PM
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Pataskala, it's been time to shake something up for a while now! I know we have been inconsistent (to put it nicely) all year but we have just been mostly the really lOUsy OHIO in MAC play.

And, to add to another point in this thread: OUr offense has been pitiful all year! I'm still waiting for some of the real experts to tell me just what we are running? All I know is I could (and did) get 4th graders to be more disciplined on offense than this team is. Of course, I was young and fiery then:)
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Posted: 2/11/2015 2:41 PM
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Sometimes, we want/hope progress and development to be a linear progression. In reality, there are stops, starts, and short-term regressions. It's common for players and teams to fall back into bad habits after a little success. I am interested to see how we come out this weekend. If we play with the improved ball movement and defensive commitment we saw in the game prior to last night, I'll write off this game as a temporary lapse.
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. . . . Given what I know is coming to to the roster beginning next year, it's pretty hard to get too down on the situation. They are what they are. Enjoy the good ones, and don't get too down when they're bad, because this season is going to be the outlier for this program.
+1

Two good posts that help put things in perspective. We've got some sanity on this board . . . at least on occasion! ;-)
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Posted: 2/11/2015 8:19 PM
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And, to add to another point in this thread: OUr offense has been pitiful all year!
That is the only point. Saul teaches an offense. Like all other programs they run it and run it and then game time comes and pfffffffffft 3 to 5 secs into the shot clock and guys go on attack mode. There is no explanation. Just accept it as the way this year is going.

We still talk about the Wilderness Campaign. Not sure why someone has not come up with a similarly memorable moniker for this year

give up trying to figure it out. There is no describing entropy and other random movement.
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Posted: 2/11/2015 10:31 PM
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bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
And, to add to another point in this thread: OUr offense has been pitiful all year!
That is the only point. Saul teaches an offense. Like all other programs they run it and run it and then game time comes and pfffffffffft 3 to 5 secs into the shot clock and guys go on attack mode. There is no explanation. Just accept it as the way this year is going.

We still talk about the Wilderness Campaign. Not sure why someone has not come up with a similarly memorable moniker for this year

give up trying to figure it out. There is no describing entropy and other random movement.
The Odyssey?
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Posted: 2/11/2015 11:33 PM
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Since The Wilderness Campaign is a term derived from the Late Rebellion, I think it's incumbent on me to come up with a name for this year. The first choice might be Peninsula Campaign because like McClellan we seem lost and sometimes don't seem to know where we are or where the baskets are. We play to lose sometimes, and we take one step forward and two back, just like General McClellan. Other possibilities would be the Appomattox Campaign because we seem ready to surrender (but OHIO guys were not on the surrendering side), and Cold Harbor Campaign because we play so cold sometime. All and all Peninsula Campaign seems best.
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Posted: 2/12/2015 8:42 AM
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Since The Wilderness Campaign is a term derived from the Late Rebellion, I think it's incumbent on me to come up with a name for this year. The first choice might be Peninsula Campaign because like McClellan we seem lost and sometimes don't seem to know where we are or where the baskets are. We play to lose sometimes, and we take one step forward and two back, just like General McClellan. Other possibilities would be the Appomattox Campaign because we seem ready to surrender (but OHIO guys were not on the surrendering side), and Cold Harbor Campaign because we play so cold sometime. All and all Peninsula Campaign seems best.
GAK!!! Way too pedantic, Popeye. Even Monroe dozed off reading that paragraph. (But you get one point for making it to the women's game, squidman.)
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Posted: 2/12/2015 11:17 AM
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I really didn't think we played that great of defense besides Mo. CMU just missed many wide open shots and shots close to the rim. You can call it good defense, but I would say it was sub par.
I'm not so sure he should be immune to the defensive faults, either. If you watched closely last night, he got suckered into leaving his man looking for a blocked shot more than once. CMU guard gets into the paint, Mo leaves his man to go look for a block, his man is left open and found by the CMU guard. I know I saw it twice for sure.

It was a poor game all around, I'm not sure anyone is immune to some criticism after last night.
Just wondering but what do you expect him to do? Would you prefer the guard have an uncontested layup? He's got to come off his man. If his man scores, that's on the guard who got beat to begin with.
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Posted: 2/12/2015 11:26 AM
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Since The Wilderness Campaign is a term derived from the Late Rebellion, I think it's incumbent on me to come up with a name for this year. The first choice might be Peninsula Campaign because like McClellan we seem lost and sometimes don't seem to know where we are or where the baskets are. We play to lose sometimes, and we take one step forward and two back, just like General McClellan. Other possibilities would be the Appomattox Campaign because we seem ready to surrender (but OHIO guys were not on the surrendering side), and Cold Harbor Campaign because we play so cold sometime. All and all Peninsula Campaign seems best.
How about the Gandalf Campaign.

"You Shall Not Pass!"

or possibly Pickett's Charge...driving with no chance of success.
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Posted: 2/12/2015 12:22 PM
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How about the Donner Party? We get in too deep and are eaten up.
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Posted: 2/12/2015 1:10 PM
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. . . or possibly Pickett's Charge...driving with no chance of success.
ROTFL! That's a good one. as it sounds like what happens when we attack the rim a lot.
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Posted: 2/12/2015 10:08 PM
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Just wondering but what do you expect him to do? Would you prefer the guard have an uncontested layup? He's got to come off his man. If his man scores, that's on the guard who got beat to begin with.
how many times has that been said this year. Early on our bigs were getting in LOADS of foul trouble because of poor guard D. Still bad but they have learned not to foul.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 11:14 AM
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Just wondering but what do you expect him to do? Would you prefer the guard have an uncontested layup? He's got to come off his man. If his man scores, that's on the guard who got beat to begin with.
how many times has that been said this year. Early on our bigs were getting in LOADS of foul trouble because of poor guard D. Still bad but they have learned not to foul.

To compare to this, I wish I had the time to go back and look at some NDSU highlights/film to see what they looked like last year when they were rolling. You don't win the way they did last year without some solid defense. It would give perspective about the whole defensive approach, and the execution here this year.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 11:24 AM
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Just wondering but what do you expect him to do? Would you prefer the guard have an uncontested layup? He's got to come off his man. If his man scores, that's on the guard who got beat to begin with.
how many times has that been said this year. Early on our bigs were getting in LOADS of foul trouble because of poor guard D. Still bad but they have learned not to foul.

To compare to this, I wish I had the time to go back and look at some NDSU highlights/film to see what they looked like last year when they were rolling. You don't win the way they did last year without some solid defense. It would give perspective about the whole defensive approach, and the execution here this year.
I've thought about that quite a lot this year. I would love to be able to see what Saul wants to do.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 12:57 PM
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As borna has been saying...wait til next year. Ya ain't gonna see it this year!
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Posted: 2/13/2015 1:59 PM
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While I'm looking forward to next year with all the new faces (recruits and transfers sitting out this year), I think the big turnaround comes in 2016-17.

A basketball (and shorter) version of LC's football predictions.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 2:08 PM
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While I'm looking forward to next year with all the new faces (recruits and transfers sitting out this year), I think the big turnaround comes in 2016-17.

A basketball (and shorter) version of LC's football predictions.
that's valid. It is a bigger jump than the extra 10 feet of court on a HS hardwood to the 94 feet and bigger game of college ball.
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Posted: 2/13/2015 3:01 PM
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Since 1990 OHIO has had a few basketball coaches, a few good years, a few really good years but even FEWER bad ones. That is why some (like Me) find this year so frustrating for OHIO basketball. Just look at the last 25 years...I guess you could say we really are spoiled with the success we've had! Even though I doubt it will happen, I would love to see SP&Co get the ship righted this year!

YEAR OVERALL MAC
1990–91 16–12 9–7
1991–92 18–10 10–6
1992–93 14–13 11–7
1993–94 25–8 14–4
1994–95 24–10 13–5
1995–96 16–14 11–7
1996–97 17–10 12–6
1997–98 5–21 3–15
1998–99 18–10 12–6
1999–00 20–13 11–7
2000–01 19–11 12–6
2001–02 17–11 11–7
2002–03 14–16 8–10
2003–04 10–20 7–11
2004–05 21–11 11–7
2005–06 19–11 10–8
2006–07 19–13 9–7
2007–08 20–13 9–7
2008–09 15–17 7–9
2009–10 22–15 7–9
2010–11 19–16 9–7
2011–12 29–8 11–5
2012–13 24–10 14–2
2013–14 25–12 11–7
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Posted: 2/15/2015 12:03 AM
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No effort, no discipline, no pride. This needed to be on the front of the media guide for this years team.
You said this many times in the room. How is this different than what you expected once you had watched 2 or 3 games this year. It ain't a gonna change. Take the rest of the year off and come back next year. You'll feel better and those who have a brighter countenance won't feel quite so beaten over the head by the negative vibes.

I feel as bad as anyone about this year. A huge bust of a year in a program that is ascending. Does not mean I can't find happiness in this community of followers or some bright spot to smile about in Taylor or laster or TC continuing to be consistent at stretching the floor.

Negative vibes Moriarity, always with the negative vibes.
Glad that you stopped by in Chat to re iterate the no discipline , no pride , no effort theme and then chastise me today. Still not seeing any positive comments along with the negative. TC stretching the floor, Laster, Harley and Taylor all seeing time and action. Taunting me in the chatroom and increasing the negativity round here ultimately will add to the divide and detract from the program. Denigrating the guys wearing those uniforms to the fans who are here to show they at least care enough to show up and discuss the program only chases them away. SO go for it. Bring on the negativity but do not ever post because fans are not showing up and the Ozone is not big enough. YOu can take great pride in being the reason why we have to win them back over. All the good will and fans the program built in the last 6 years can be trashed n a year if all the negativity is amped up and those casual or fringe Bobcat fans go away with a bad taste and find a winner. Getting them back will be much harder than winning them over the first time.

I stand by it. If it is that much a drag on your life that you are having to take time out of your day to complain and go away in a dour mood and drag the rest of us down in the process...take some time off. Life is way too short. Life is way too fun. Life is way too important to waste time with stuff that is making you miserable....unless this is how you have fun?

Might I suggest some reading?

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Posted: 2/15/2015 12:57 AM
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Energy Bus - Interesting. I can think of a group that could use that read :)
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He's always been like that. Fouling up the chat with that nonsense for years.
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