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Posted: 3/15/2015 6:25 PM
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I can't defend this. I have no idea how they came up with this bracket.

(But Dayton getting a home game is going to be bonkers.)
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Posted: 3/15/2015 6:51 PM
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Non power-6 conference schools got screwed this year.

Seeing Texas and UCLA both safely in the tournament is disheartening. I hope Schaus can clean up this mess next year.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 6:53 PM
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Indiana, Texas, and UCLA have no business. $$$$$$$$ Also, the seeding of the Missouri valley teams is a joke.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 7:05 PM
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Dayton has a home game because they are in the play in game.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 7:06 PM
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https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/577241949364625409/ph...

How the NCAA final seeding worked out.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 7:32 PM
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Get used to it fellas. The Greedy 5 are taking over the NCAA tourney too.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 7:36 PM
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All 5 indiana teams in one bracket is interesting

Kansas teams head to head in the second round is interesting Wi St vs kansas

Regional rivals in Indiana, WV, Cincy are all in the UK bracket.

Midwest Bracket is crazy when looking at the other 3. Dayton has been addressed for 4 years in the what if? questions. 13 losses? UCLA not worthy in my book. That beat down from UK was embarrassing.

You are right. I hope our AD uses his lifetime of hoops background to talk sensibly. Growing up the son of an NCAA/NBA player, college coach, NBA coach gives him insight not many have

Dad Fred played at WV, Pistons, Coached at WV, Purdue, Lakers. Some of it had to rub off. Coached Jerry West and had his kids in the Final Four then went to the Finals with the Lakers. Our AD grew up in that environment. I would think he would have a voice in the room. WICH St and OHIO certainly have been a reasonable insight into the travails of being a mid major.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 7:41 PM
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Texas and Oklahoma State both finished 8-10 in the conf. I am certain their conference affiliation had absolutely nothing to do with their selection. I am equally certain that their bodies of work was the major factor.

(Trusting you read that with a healthy measure of cynicism)
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Posted: 3/15/2015 8:37 PM
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Billy Packer thinks it's the best bracket ever
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Posted: 3/15/2015 8:41 PM
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ts1227 wrote:expand_more
Billy Packer thinks it's the best bracket ever
Of course he does.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 8:43 PM
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bobcat2nc wrote:expand_more
Billy Packer thinks it's the best bracket ever
Of course he does.
To be clear I have no idea what he actually thinks of it, but you know he's loving it.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 8:47 PM
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ts1227 wrote:expand_more
Billy Packer thinks it's the best bracket ever
Of course he does.
To be clear I have no idea what he actually thinks of it, but you know he's loving it.
I Tweeted that out a couple hours ago. Exactly my thought.

Although I imagine the real Billy Packer is in a dark room somewhere, complaining to the darkness.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 9:02 PM
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ts1227 wrote:expand_more
Billy Packer thinks it's the best bracket ever
Billy Packer molests collies.
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Posted: 3/15/2015 11:49 PM
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Mike Johnson wrote:expand_more
Texas and Oklahoma State both finished 8-10 in the conf. I am certain their conference affiliation had absolutely nothing to do with their selection. I am equally certain that their bodies of work was the major factor.

(Trusting you read that with a healthy measure of cynicism)
It must be nice to lose 6 of your last 7 games and still get an at-large.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 7:46 AM
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My biggest questions are these:

(1) If you put Cincinnati in the tournament, you almost have to put Temple in too. They basically had the same resume. And Temple even had a victory over #2 seed Kansas. How can you justify leaving Temple out over UCLA/Texas/OkSt?

(2) So if UConn won the AAC Tournament, Dayton would have got left out of the tournament altogether? OK...

(3) Duke, which didn't win the ACC regular season championship OR ACC Tournament championship is a #1 Seed. How?

(4) Why is Xavier is a #6 seed and Wichita State is a #7 seed? Is the Big East really THAT much of a grind these days? And Northern Iowa is only a #5? But Georgetown is a #4?

(5) UCLA scored 7 points in a half of college basketball. SEVEN points. That is not a tournament team, but the committee chair says they passed the "eye test." What eye test? By that measure, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and any other team UK slaughtered should be in.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 8:29 AM
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BTW, that Georgetown/Eastern Washington matchup looks somewhat familiar. A team that likes to shoot the three and does it well? Hmmmmm...
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Posted: 3/16/2015 8:54 AM
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Just read that the selection committee chair said UCLA passed the "eye test".

And the four last teams left out, in order, were: Temple, Colorado State, Old Dominion and Richmond.

Hmmmm. My guess is that eye test was them looking to see if those 4 teams were P5 teams.....

Uhg.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:07 AM
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
My biggest questions are these:

(1) If you put Cincinnati in the tournament, you almost have to put Temple in too. They basically had the same resume. And Temple even had a victory over #2 seed Kansas. How can you justify leaving Temple out over UCLA/Texas/OkSt?

(2) So if UConn won the AAC Tournament, Dayton would have got left out of the tournament altogether? OK...

(3) Duke, which didn't win the ACC regular season championship OR ACC Tournament championship is a #1 Seed. How?

(4) Why is Xavier is a #6 seed and Wichita State is a #7 seed? Is the Big East really THAT much of a grind these days? And Northern Iowa is only a #5? But Georgetown is a #4?

(5) UCLA scored 7 points in a half of college basketball. SEVEN points. That is not a tournament team, but the committee chair says they passed the "eye test." What eye test? By that measure, Tennessee, Vanderbilt and any other team UK slaughtered should be in.

All excellent points, and all proof that some of these guys are picking to make someone like Vegas, or their TV partners happy.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:20 AM
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Here's the bottom line in my opinion:

There should be a starting line of criteria to get into the conversation for consideration into at-large consideration.





In my mind, these would be things like:

*Minimum number of games scheduled against the RPI top 150 that weren't schedule for you as required by TV Contract.
*Minimum number of true road games in non-conference - at least 2-3.
*Max number of losses (see UCLA, Texas, Ok St)
*Minimum number of wins (magic number used to be 20, why shouldn't that matter?)



Also: If they say they're using RPI to evaluate, then how does RPI 29 not get in (Colorado St.) but RPI 42 and 48 get in? (UCLA and Texas)


Ted said it on my timeline yesterday - what the committee said this year is that they're rewarding you for playing a tough schedule, not actually winning those games.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 9:32 AM
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GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
BTW, that Georgetown/Eastern Washington matchup looks somewhat familiar. A team that likes to shoot the three and does it well? Hmmmmm...
LOL at Georgetown. As a 4 seed they have to travel clear across country to play in the backyard of the 13 seed. Gtown's performance in the tournament since 2008-

#10 Loss (Davidson)
#11 LOSS (NC State)
#11 LOSS (VCU)
#13 ???? (E Washington)
#14 LOSS (Ohio)
#14 WIN (Belmont)
#15 WIN (UMBC)
#15 Loss (FGCU)

7 games, 7 double digit seeds, 6 mid-majors, 5 losses. Embarrassing.
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These arguments are exactly why I think there should be ONLY objective criteria used here. The Committee always finds a reason to put a Power 5 team in and screw the mid majors. I thought the RPI was supposed to be some kind of objective test that took biases and opinions out of the discussion.

So, I say use 4 or 5 objective statistical criteria and lete the numbers play out. I'm with Dickie V. on Murray, they belong before a lot of others. I repeat, those teams from a Power Conference that have lost 8-9-13 games have shown they cannot compete. Why give them another chance/at large instead of some team that won a Conference and either played nobody or nobody will play?
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These arguments are exactly why I think there should be ONLY objective criteria used here. The Committee always finds a reason to put a Power 5 team in and screw the mid majors. I thought the RPI was supposed to be some kind of objective test that took biases and opinions out of the discussion.

So, I say use 4 or 5 objective statistical criteria and lete the numbers play out. I'm with Dickie V. on Murray, they belong before a lot of others. I repeat, those teams from a Power Conference that have lost 8-9-13 games have shown they cannot compete. Why give them another chance/at large instead of some team that won a Conference and either played nobody or nobody will play?
Losing 9-10 games out of 32-33 isn't terrible. Losing 13 of 31 is less impressive when you look at it. 22-10, 23-10 versus 18-13? It seems to me that 20 wins should almost be a required figure for at large consideration. It also seems that a top-30 RPI should get the at-large over a 48 or 50. Also, SOS was discussed in another thread. The only SOS number that should matter is non-conference SOS.
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The major problem I have with the way the committee evaluates teams is comparing RPI and strength of schedule. A team with an RPI at 48 gets taken over a team with an RPI of 29 because the team with a 48 RPI has a better strength of schedule. If you're going to be doing that, then you need to adjust the RPI formula to weight strength of schedule more heavily. Otherwise, the RPI means nothing.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 10:41 AM
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The other part of this is that the story changes every year based on who the committee chairs are. The "eye test" comment made by the committee chair on CBS almost caused me to throw my remote at the TV.
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Posted: 3/16/2015 10:53 AM
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I actually don't think Murray State should be in.

But "eye test" simply means, "I wanted them in." There's just no other way to explain it. You're not using any objective criteria or even their resume; you just decided you'd like to have them in.
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