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Posted: 1/20/2016 9:06 AM
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-The lineup of Jaaron, Gavin, Mike, KK and Tony was probably my favorite lineup of the night. Each guy had a role and they each played it perfectly. I hope we see it more often.
Agree. They really worked well together.
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Posted: 1/20/2016 10:19 AM
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-If Tony Campbell stays out of foul trouble he's an All-MAC player. I know this is pretty obvious, but watching him dominate in the lane when he can stay on the floor is a treat.
What a sweet touch. That left handed hook floater was a gem.
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Posted: 1/20/2016 10:39 AM
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I think a couple of things became clear last night, at least in my eyes. Maybe it depended on the matchups WMU gave Ohio, but here's what I noticed:

-Mike Laster needs more minutes. Say what you want about his unpolished shooting ability or offensive prowess, that guy busted his butt last night. He was all over the place and made huge plays. From what I can tell, he's clearly one of the best perimeter defenders on the team. He didn't let his man get into the lane most of the night. That was a huge plus.

-If Tony Campbell stays out of foul trouble he's an All-MAC player. I know this is pretty obvious, but watching him dominate in the lane when he can stay on the floor is a treat.

-Wadley is a great asset. He may not quite be where he needs to be yet, but he does play some big minutes off the bench to spell Tony. Having him in the lane to distract shooters makes everyone around him better. Whatever he brings offensively is just a bonus.

-The lineup of Jaaron, Gavin, Mike, KK and Tony was probably my favorite lineup of the night. Each guy had a role and they each played it perfectly. I hope we see it more often.
When I listened/watched the press conference coverage after the Kent loss, I noticed that Saul mentioned he doesn't have a "lock down defender." Obviously he's the coach and I'm a spectator, but in my humble opinion, Mike Laster is one of the best defenders on the team and he hasn't seen much floor time this season. He is not as offensively polished, I completely agree, but he seems to be a really dependable defensive player. It's a trade off, play him or play Dartis/Block, but if we are getting burned by a perimeter player I'd love to see Laster get his shot at the guy.

I also agree about Wadley being a great asset, but he can get sucked into seeking the blocked shot a lot and leaving his man from the weak side. This happened a few times in the BG game and led to offensive rebounds and putbacks.

Back to last night's game, very solid second half. I got worried when the run for Western hit 8-0 to start the second half but the guys responded really well. Tony played a great game, extremely efficient and dominant on the boards. Jaaron's third foul looked to me to be a horrendous call. I thought the Western defender was well within the circle when trying to take the charge. It does scare me more than a little when Jaaron has to sit, but we survived it. Block was huge off the bench, great to see he doesn't seem to have any trouble after the hamstring injury. Treg struggled but gave his usual high energy effort despite puking in the tunnel in the first half. It was a good win to build on and hopefully Dartis is back and playing Saturday when we head to Meechigan.
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Posted: 1/20/2016 10:45 AM
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-If Tony Campbell stays out of foul trouble he's an All-MAC player. I know this is pretty obvious, but watching him dominate in the lane when he can stay on the floor is a treat.
What a sweet touch. That left handed hook floater was a gem.
If he can be automatic with that baby hook in both hands he'd be almost unstoppable.
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Posted: 1/20/2016 11:24 AM
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Treg struggled but gave his usual high energy effort despite puking in the tunnel in the first half.
I missed much of the first half so I didn't realize Treg was sick. That explains why Block got so much run. Even sick Treg hustles. He had a huge steal off of a missed FT in the second half that was a complete hustle play.
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Posted: 1/20/2016 11:49 AM
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Treg struggled but gave his usual high energy effort despite puking in the tunnel in the first half.
I missed much of the first half so I didn't realize Treg was sick. That explains why Block got so much run. Even sick Treg hustles. He had a huge steal off of a missed FT in the second half that was a complete hustle play.
I question Treg's judgement nearly every night, but never the effort he brings.
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Posted: 1/20/2016 12:03 PM

Defense allowed just .86 points per possession. That ties their season-best (also allowed .86 vs. Marshall and UC-Riverside). 

"Quarterly" scoring from last night:

  Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 Final
WMU 13 18 17 16 64
Ohio 15 20 14 33 82

 

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Posted: 1/20/2016 12:16 PM
We saw a lot of good things last night. I agree with the assessments on Laster and the intangibles I thought I saw from him. It's not meant to be a slight on Harley, but I like what I saw from Laster yesterday more than I've like what I saw from Khari. His hustle, and the ability he's shown to beat guys off the dribble into the lane is an asset some of our guys don't have. I really thought he'd elevate this year, and I though all that was missing from his game was a better perimeter shot. I hope he starts to be one of the first guys off the bench in the coming weeks. If last night's performance didn't prove he deserves it, nothing will.
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If you squint real hard, you can make out a very good basketball team with this group. That's encouraging to me. When you have a point guard, a shooter, a big man and a couple energy guys, you've got a shot at doing nice things at the end of the season. Ohio has all of those things.
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Posted: 1/20/2016 12:45 PM
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Block and Laster great minutes .. off the bench .. just makes this team deeper as they move towards March ..

BANG !! .. oh baby what a BIG TIME win !!
Love it. Those two were so good. Laster really seems like he could help on the defensive end - glad he got some mins last night. I'd like to see him get some more. And if he can produce a bit offensively? I'm in.
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Posted: 1/20/2016 1:51 PM
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If you squint real hard, you can make out a very good basketball team with this group. That's encouraging to me. When you have a point guard, a shooter, a big man and a couple energy guys, you've got a shot at doing nice things at the end of the season. Ohio has all of those things.

Really good point. I kinda feel like Laster is a key for this team. If he can give 20 min/game like he gave last night, that's a big, big boost in my opinion.
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Posted: 1/20/2016 2:17 PM
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Defense allowed just .86 points per possession. That ties their season-best (also allowed .86 vs. Marshall and UC-Riverside).
Don't want to put too much of a damper on a good win but Western missed a lot of open shots last night. Our defensive effort was significantly better last night though.
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Posted: 1/20/2016 2:23 PM
Defensively, I really think Laster brings something to the table that some other wings of ours do not. As Saul would say, he is "Detroit tough" and I think it shows in his defensive mindset.
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Posted: 1/20/2016 4:17 PM
Put Bridgewater...er Laster in !

A lot of things went right last night and it was fun to watch.

Going to need a lot of things going right in the next 5 games. Tough stretch coming up.
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Posted: 1/20/2016 4:51 PM
Remember, it's just one game. Mike played great, but let's see if he can be consistent. He's been give opportunities all season. He's got the ability, now let's see if he can continue to take advantage of the opportunities.
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Posted: 1/20/2016 5:23 PM
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Remember, it's just one game. Mike played great, but let's see if he can be consistent. He's been give opportunities all season. He's got the ability, now let's see if he can continue to take advantage of the opportunities.
Have to disagree with you on this Jeff. Getting opportunities and being put in are two very different things. When he is in the game for more than a minute or two he can be a real force. Very few people can step into a game and be a force in the first 15 or 20 seconds. Mike reminds me of another Mike from the Trent era - Mike Reese.
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Posted: 1/21/2016 8:44 AM
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Remember, it's just one game. Mike played great, but let's see if he can be consistent. He's been give opportunities all season. He's got the ability, now let's see if he can continue to take advantage of the opportunities.
Have to disagree with you on this Jeff. Getting opportunities and being put in are two very different things. When he is in the game for more than a minute or two he can be a real force. Very few people can step into a game and be a force in the first 15 or 20 seconds. Mike reminds me of another Mike from the Trent era - Mike Reese.
I agree with Alan, Laster has not gotten enough minutes to make an impact.
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Posted: 1/21/2016 10:00 AM
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Remember, it's just one game. Mike played great, but let's see if he can be consistent. He's been give opportunities all season. He's got the ability, now let's see if he can continue to take advantage of the opportunities.
Have to disagree with you on this Jeff. Getting opportunities and being put in are two very different things. When he is in the game for more than a minute or two he can be a real force. Very few people can step into a game and be a force in the first 15 or 20 seconds. Mike reminds me of another Mike from the Trent era - Mike Reese.
I agree with Alan, Laster has not gotten enough minutes to make an impact.
Saul agrees with Jeff. He said as much in his press conference. He's played double digit minutes in each of the last three games but really made an impact in the Western game. He is one of only three guys on the roster that take it to the basket (Treg and Jaaron) and he needs to keep doing that. Part of the problem is that we have a bunch of guys that play the 2 & 3 and getting them minutes is tough. But when you struggle team-wide playing defense you should do everything in your power to get your best defenders in there. Hopefully this is a springboard for Mike because his skillset is something we need.
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Remember, it's just one game. Mike played great, but let's see if he can be consistent. He's been give opportunities all season. He's got the ability, now let's see if he can continue to take advantage of the opportunities.
Have to disagree with you on this Jeff. Getting opportunities and being put in are two very different things. When he is in the game for more than a minute or two he can be a real force. Very few people can step into a game and be a force in the first 15 or 20 seconds. Mike reminds me of another Mike from the Trent era - Mike Reese.
I agree with Alan, Laster has not gotten enough minutes to make an impact.
Saul agrees with Jeff. He said as much in his press conference. He's played double digit minutes in each of the last three games but really made an impact in the Western game. He is one of only three guys on the roster that take it to the basket (Treg and Jaaron) and he needs to keep doing that. Part of the problem is that we have a bunch of guys that play the 2 & 3 and getting them minutes is tough. But when you struggle team-wide playing defense you should do everything in your power to get your best defenders in there. Hopefully this is a springboard for Mike because his skillset is something we need.
The minutes played don't lie. I agree, it is a crowded position, and there's only so many minutes. You look at a three game span, how about the 10 game stretch prior to that? One of those 10 games he got double digit minutes. The other 9 games, all sub 8 minute games and 2 DNP/CD's. It's a little confusing to have a guy who started several games as a true freshman suddenly the next year a marginal guy who barely cracks the rotation. I trust Saul, and I fully understand there's a lot the fans don't see. It's still hard to ignore the decrease in his minutes. As a freshman he averaged nearly 19 minutes per game. As a Sophomore, just under 10 minutes per game.
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Posted: 1/21/2016 11:36 AM
Van I'll add one person to your list who I think does a great job at times of getting into the lane, and getting to the rim, and that's Dartis. Back to Laster, I'd really like to see him get those minutes again the next couple games to see if he can continue to give that energy. No knock on Khari, but other than length, I don't think at his best he brings as much as Laster can at his best.
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Posted: 1/21/2016 11:52 AM
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It's still hard to ignore the decrease in his minutes. As a freshman he averaged nearly 19 minutes per game. As a Sophomore, just under 10 minutes per game.
I think what's really tough for him is that the minutes that make up the 10 minutes average have been so inconsistent. Plus it's a fine line between being aggressive and forcing things. With a clearly defined role and pattern I'm sure it would be easier for him to settle into a groove. Hopefully this last outing will be a springboard for that. Of course, I thought he had a really good first game this year and his minutes went way down in game 2.
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Posted: 1/21/2016 1:17 PM
I agree Laster played his best game of the year on Tuesday and that was encouraging. However, I think it's a major stretch to think he can do that consistently. When Dartis is back, I'd like to see him back to 30 minutes a night. I think Block has proven he's worthy of at least 20-25 minutes right now. That doesn't leave much for Harley & Laster. If Ryan Taylor hadn't transferred out I don't think either would have seen the floor much this year. Mike played a lot last year because there were no real alternatives.

Just a general observation.....I know nothing of the off season work put in by the players and I'm sure it's significant, but I don't see much in the way of physical maturation or enhanced skills from either of these two guys from last year to this year.

We are a poor defensive team for a lot of reasons but I think one of those reasons is we have no physical players on the wings to help keep guys out of the lane and to help rebound. These two have the athleticism and size to be great defenders. Pack on some pounds to both of their frames and I think it would go a long way to helping them contribute.
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Posted: 1/21/2016 3:20 PM
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It's still hard to ignore the decrease in his minutes. As a freshman he averaged nearly 19 minutes per game. As a Sophomore, just under 10 minutes per game.
I think what's really tough for him is that the minutes that make up the 10 minutes average have been so inconsistent. Plus it's a fine line between being aggressive and forcing things. With a clearly defined role and pattern I'm sure it would be easier for him to settle into a groove. Hopefully this last outing will be a springboard for that. Of course, I thought he had a really good first game this year and his minutes went way down in game 2.
I agree, it's tough to be consistent, but I think it's even harder to be consistent and produce/make an impact in half the number of minutes played.
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Posted: 1/21/2016 10:27 PM
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Remember, it's just one game. Mike played great, but let's see if he can be consistent. He's been give opportunities all season. He's got the ability, now let's see if he can continue to take advantage of the opportunities.
Have to disagree with you on this Jeff. Getting opportunities and being put in are two very different things. When he is in the game for more than a minute or two he can be a real force. Very few people can step into a game and be a force in the first 15 or 20 seconds. Mike reminds me of another Mike from the Trent era - Mike Reese.
I agree with Alan, Laster has not gotten enough minutes to make an impact.
Saul agrees with Jeff. He said as much in his press conference. He's played double digit minutes in each of the last three games but really made an impact in the Western game. He is one of only three guys on the roster that take it to the basket (Treg and Jaaron) and he needs to keep doing that. Part of the problem is that we have a bunch of guys that play the 2 & 3 and getting them minutes is tough. But when you struggle team-wide playing defense you should do everything in your power to get your best defenders in there. Hopefully this is a springboard for Mike because his skillset is something we need.
Double digit minutes in and of themselves don't really mean a lot. What I was talking about was how many minutes at a time. You can go in 5 times for 2 minutes at a time and get double digit minutes but if you play 5 here and 5 there you generally can get into the flow and be more productive. Tuesday night he played for stretches of 2:17 in the first half and 15:38 in the second.
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Posted: 1/21/2016 10:38 PM
How vigorously do we play? With a lot of guys, it limits minutes per player--that's just math.

But if we are playing with terrific effort, really pressing it on offense and, yes, DEFENSE, there's plenty of room for 8-10 guys to play 16-25 minutes...and to have played a lot of good, skills-engaging ball.

200 minutes of hell.
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