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shabamon
2/29/2016 11:11 AM
clodney wrote:expand_more
You're nuts if you want to tell me that the fouls were called evenly in that game. A poster on BullRun actually looked at the statistics of the game and determined that the Bobcats received a Free Throw on 102% of your shot attempts, while Buffalo received a Free Throw on 58% of our shot attempts. Not to mention, you guys missed the front end of a bunch of 1 and 1's, so the numbers are even higher for you. Now, you tell me how a team with our brand of slashing basketball (which I actually agree with you is not much fun to watch) only gets to the line half the amount of time that you do? It's not just about the egregious calls like the Wigginton phantom 3-pt foul at the end of the first half, or the zero-evidence overturned possession at the end of regulation, you guys simply had a larger strike zone than us the entire game.

As for us "whining", you guys have done that plenty as well. You had every right to whine after that horrific safety call, but at least that game was a blowout and wasn't a crucial match up in the MAC standings. This game was huge and our boys deserved that win. It's just too bad they mailed it in a week ago at home when the refs might have given us the advantage.
Maybe your poster can re-watch the ESPN3 archived broadcast and give us the time stamps of Buffalo shot attempts that should have been coupled with foul calls as well as foul calls against Buffalo you disagree with (minus the Wigginton foul on the 3 pt attempt, which was bogus). As a referee myself, I would be happy to provide my judgment.

This notion that foul calls should be even in number is downright ludicrous. THE GAME DICTATES THE CALL. You would not believe how often coaches and spectators piss and moan when the fouls are 10-1 with one team pressing, trapping, double teaming while the other sits back in a zone. Teach your team to play defense without fouling.
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OU_Country
2/29/2016 11:15 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
You guys were still in this game, it went to OT for crying out loud. Maybe if Buffalo doesn't get T'd up twice in one play it's a different outcome.

Agreed, that pretty much sealed the W.
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OUVan
2/29/2016 11:39 AM
clodney wrote:expand_more
You're nuts if you want to tell me that the fouls were called evenly in that game. A poster on BullRun actually looked at the statistics of the game and determined that the Bobcats received a Free Throw on 102% of your shot attempts, while Buffalo received a Free Throw on 58% of our shot attempts. Not to mention, you guys missed the front end of a bunch of 1 and 1's, so the numbers are even higher for you. Now, you tell me how a team with our brand of slashing basketball (which I actually agree with you is not much fun to watch) only gets to the line half the amount of time that you do? It's not just about the egregious calls like the Wigginton phantom 3-pt foul at the end of the first half, or the zero-evidence overturned possession at the end of regulation, you guys simply had a larger strike zone than us the entire game.

As for us "whining", you guys have done that plenty as well. You had every right to whine after that horrific safety call, but at least that game was a blowout and wasn't a crucial match up in the MAC standings. This game was huge and our boys deserved that win. It's just too bad they mailed it in a week ago at home when the refs might have given us the advantage.
I love revisionist history. At the time of the safety the score was 7-3 Buffalo and going into the game Ohio was 3-1 and Buffalo was 4-0. I'm not saying that Ohio wins the game without the bad call but it definitely changed the momentum of the game. We then not only wilted in the game but for the season but that game was a crucial matchup in MAC standings. But I've never contended it decided the game but the reason it keeps getting brought up is that is was such an overtly bad call that it's comical.

Now onto Saturday and the "refs giving us the advantage". You guys keep pointing at numbers of attempts and shots and style of play but never point to specific examples. I'm aware that fans tend to pay attention to calls that go against them so after reading the significant whining from you and yours I decided to go back and watch and find these egregious calls that you refer to. I rewatched the entire second half and honestly didn't find a single call that you should have gotten. We either completely played Ole' defense or did a good job keeping our arms straight up. You guys, on the other hand, contest every single shot. As for the percentages of fouls per shot attempt that is what happens when you foul guys before they take shots. That is what happens when you play overly physical on defense. Against a team that is more physical on defense you probably get more calls. Of course, your shooting percentage will be lower and your turnovers will be higher against those teams. But even with all that with 30 seconds left in OT the fouls and free throws were closer to even (39 att vs 32 att) until you guys committed 7 fouls leading to 10 free throws skewing the final numbers.

And sorry you lose all respect when you call Wigginton's foul as "phantom". You can't tell it on the normal view but the end zone shot clearly shows him hitting Setty just above the elbow and you can see how it affected his shot. Instead of being upset at the officials you should be upset at the idiotic play by Wigginton contesting a 30 foot three from Setty.
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Jim Bob
2/29/2016 11:55 AM
Was right there. definitely a foul at the end of the half. Everyone in the area called it immediately.
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Eagle66
2/29/2016 11:58 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
I love revisionist history. At the time of the safety the score was 7-3 Buffalo and going into the game Ohio was 3-1 and Buffalo was 4-0. I'm not saying that Ohio wins the game without the bad call but it definitely changed the momentum of the game. We then not only wilted in the game but for the season but that game was a crucial matchup in MAC standings. But I've never contended it decided the game but the reason it keeps getting brought up is that is was such an overtly bad call that it's comical.



I agree Van, I dont know if Ohio wins the game, but the safety wasn't the only call the league apologized for getting wrong. Earlier in the game a fumble (that replay showed shouldn't have been) while Ohio was driving in UB territory lead to a UB TD.
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GroverBall
2/29/2016 1:33 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
You're nuts if you want to tell me that the fouls were called evenly in that game. A poster on BullRun actually looked at the statistics of the game and determined that the Bobcats received a Free Throw on 102% of your shot attempts, while Buffalo received a Free Throw on 58% of our shot attempts. Not to mention, you guys missed the front end of a bunch of 1 and 1's, so the numbers are even higher for you. Now, you tell me how a team with our brand of slashing basketball (which I actually agree with you is not much fun to watch) only gets to the line half the amount of time that you do? It's not just about the egregious calls like the Wigginton phantom 3-pt foul at the end of the first half, or the zero-evidence overturned possession at the end of regulation, you guys simply had a larger strike zone than us the entire game.

As for us "whining", you guys have done that plenty as well. You had every right to whine after that horrific safety call, but at least that game was a blowout and wasn't a crucial match up in the MAC standings. This game was huge and our boys deserved that win. It's just too bad they mailed it in a week ago at home when the refs might have given us the advantage.
I love revisionist history. At the time of the safety the score was 7-3 Buffalo and going into the game Ohio was 3-1 and Buffalo was 4-0. I'm not saying that Ohio wins the game without the bad call but it definitely changed the momentum of the game. We then not only wilted in the game but for the season but that game was a crucial matchup in MAC standings. But I've never contended it decided the game but the reason it keeps getting brought up is that is was such an overtly bad call that it's comical.

Now onto Saturday and the "refs giving us the advantage". You guys keep pointing at numbers of attempts and shots and style of play but never point to specific examples. I'm aware that fans tend to pay attention to calls that go against them so after reading the significant whining from you and yours I decided to go back and watch and find these egregious calls that you refer to. I rewatched the entire second half and honestly didn't find a single call that you should have gotten. We either completely played Ole' defense or did a good job keeping our arms straight up. You guys, on the other hand, contest every single shot. As for the percentages of fouls per shot attempt that is what happens when you foul guys before they take shots. That is what happens when you play overly physical on defense. Against a team that is more physical on defense you probably get more calls. Of course, your shooting percentage will be lower and your turnovers will be higher against those teams. But even with all that with 30 seconds left in OT the fouls and free throws were closer to even (39 att vs 32 att) until you guys committed 7 fouls leading to 10 free throws skewing the final numbers.

And sorry you lose all respect when you call Wigginton's foul as "phantom". You can't tell it on the normal view but the end zone shot clearly shows him hitting Setty just above the elbow and you can see how it affected his shot. Instead of being upset at the officials you should be upset at the idiotic play by Wigginton contesting a 30 foot three from Setty.
Thanks for re-looking at this, from the third row of the Ozone at midcourt I clearly thought it was an obvious, and idiotic, foul. Shaba's agreement with clodney above made me wonder about my eyesite however, and I'm glad that you've confirmed I'm not blind. Dumbest foul I've seen in the Convo all year. On that note, missing 14 free-throws (including how many first of 1and1's?) was frustrating, including Block's technical FTs. He was not pleased with himself.
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shabamon
2/29/2016 1:36 PM
GroverBall wrote:expand_more
You're nuts if you want to tell me that the fouls were called evenly in that game. A poster on BullRun actually looked at the statistics of the game and determined that the Bobcats received a Free Throw on 102% of your shot attempts, while Buffalo received a Free Throw on 58% of our shot attempts. Not to mention, you guys missed the front end of a bunch of 1 and 1's, so the numbers are even higher for you. Now, you tell me how a team with our brand of slashing basketball (which I actually agree with you is not much fun to watch) only gets to the line half the amount of time that you do? It's not just about the egregious calls like the Wigginton phantom 3-pt foul at the end of the first half, or the zero-evidence overturned possession at the end of regulation, you guys simply had a larger strike zone than us the entire game.

As for us "whining", you guys have done that plenty as well. You had every right to whine after that horrific safety call, but at least that game was a blowout and wasn't a crucial match up in the MAC standings. This game was huge and our boys deserved that win. It's just too bad they mailed it in a week ago at home when the refs might have given us the advantage.
I love revisionist history. At the time of the safety the score was 7-3 Buffalo and going into the game Ohio was 3-1 and Buffalo was 4-0. I'm not saying that Ohio wins the game without the bad call but it definitely changed the momentum of the game. We then not only wilted in the game but for the season but that game was a crucial matchup in MAC standings. But I've never contended it decided the game but the reason it keeps getting brought up is that is was such an overtly bad call that it's comical.

Now onto Saturday and the "refs giving us the advantage". You guys keep pointing at numbers of attempts and shots and style of play but never point to specific examples. I'm aware that fans tend to pay attention to calls that go against them so after reading the significant whining from you and yours I decided to go back and watch and find these egregious calls that you refer to. I rewatched the entire second half and honestly didn't find a single call that you should have gotten. We either completely played Ole' defense or did a good job keeping our arms straight up. You guys, on the other hand, contest every single shot. As for the percentages of fouls per shot attempt that is what happens when you foul guys before they take shots. That is what happens when you play overly physical on defense. Against a team that is more physical on defense you probably get more calls. Of course, your shooting percentage will be lower and your turnovers will be higher against those teams. But even with all that with 30 seconds left in OT the fouls and free throws were closer to even (39 att vs 32 att) until you guys committed 7 fouls leading to 10 free throws skewing the final numbers.

And sorry you lose all respect when you call Wigginton's foul as "phantom". You can't tell it on the normal view but the end zone shot clearly shows him hitting Setty just above the elbow and you can see how it affected his shot. Instead of being upset at the officials you should be upset at the idiotic play by Wigginton contesting a 30 foot three from Setty.
Thanks for re-looking at this, from the third row of the Ozone at midcourt I clearly thought it was an obvious, and idiotic, foul. Shaba's agreement with clodney above made me wonder about my eyesite however, and I'm glad that you've confirmed I'm not blind. Dumbest foul I've seen in the Convo all year. On that note, missing 14 free-throws (including how many first of 1and1's?) was frustrating, including Block's technical FTs. He was not pleased with himself.
I was watching from the WatchESPN feed. From every angle they showed, I didn't see enough to warrant a foul call, and I think most of us in chat room thought it was questionable.
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GroverBall
2/29/2016 1:42 PM
What did the chat room think of Jaaron's D on Bearden's shot at the end of regulation? Contact?
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OUVan
2/29/2016 1:54 PM
GroverBall wrote:expand_more
What did the chat room think of Jaaron's D on Bearden's shot at the end of regulation? Contact?
There was contact with the body but nothing on the arm. Jaaron also did not initiate the contact so they should have let it go. Lost in all this whining by Buffalo fans was that they could have been called for a couple more fouls on drives by Jaaron. In every game there are 100 calls that can go either way or be call/no calls. Neither team received more of a benefit from these calls than the other. Buffalo fans think that just because they attacked the basket they should have been fouled more. They weren't. The refs in this game were about as consistent as any game we've been in this year. Who's fault is it that the Bulls didn't adjust?
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100%Cat
2/29/2016 2:00 PM
clodney wrote:expand_more
Now, you tell me how a team with our brand of dirty basketball (which I actually agree with you is not much fun to watch, with shoves in the back on every pick, mauling guys in the post, and Ikenna Smart trying to intimidate the Athens High School Band on the way off the floor) only gets to the line half the amount of time that you do?
There, I fixed that for you.
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shabamon
2/29/2016 2:08 PM
I had to leave for another obligation by that point, but I saw the play on the recap with Russ, and I would not have called a foul. I see barely any actual contact between Simmons and Bearden.
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bobcatsquared
2/29/2016 3:01 PM
Speaking of the chat room, someone mentioned during the game that Russ was doing his best Michael Reghi impersonation. Any examples would be appreciated.
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El Gato Roberto
2/29/2016 3:44 PM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
Speaking of the chat room, someone mentioned during the game that Russ was doing his best Michael Reghi impersonation. Any examples would be appreciated.
He did it on his way to a commercial break, three quarters of the way through the end of the game. I am sure the audio is archived.
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Monroe Slavin
2/29/2016 8:00 PM
clodney wrote:expand_more
You're nuts if you want to tell me that the fouls were called evenly in that game. A poster on BullRun actually looked at the statistics of the game and determined that the Bobcats received a Free Throw on 102% of your shot attempts, while Buffalo received a Free Throw on 58% of our shot attempts. Not to mention, you guys missed the front end of a bunch of 1 and 1's, so the numbers are even higher for you. Now, you tell me how a team with our brand of slashing basketball (which I actually agree with you is not much fun to watch) only gets to the line half the amount of time that you do? It's not just about the egregious calls like the Wigginton phantom 3-pt foul at the end of the first half, or the zero-evidence overturned possession at the end of regulation, you guys simply had a larger strike zone than us the entire game.

As for us "whining", you guys have done that plenty as well. You had every right to whine after that horrific safety call, but at least that game was a blowout and wasn't a crucial match up in the MAC standings. This game was huge and our boys deserved that win. It's just too bad they mailed it in a week ago at home when the refs might have given us the advantage.

I am extremely happy to read this post. Few things satisfy as much as whiny Beefalo after we ROCK THEY BEEFALO BUTTZ.

From the vidcast, it definitely looked like a bad call on the foul called on Buffalo on Treg's the three point shot. I don't remember many replays on this call, certainly not from many angles. Generally, though, the officiating seemed okay. It's an excellent point that the many foul calls in the last 30 seconds, as Beefs fouled in desperation, distorted the foul differential.



Now, about that 'safety' football game. You guys are nuts about that call making a difference. Go back and watch it. Khalil Mack and his buddies on defense gave about the most dominating performance I've ever seen in a MAC game. It was a total free for all almost every time TT went back to pass.

Then, go back and watch Beef's offense in the second half. I forget their running back's name. He was powerful. I think he's playing the NFL and he drilled us that night. But the most distinct thing I remember in that second half was Beef's offensive line absolutely knocking our d-line back 3-4 yards on almost every running play. It was absolute, devastating, textbook destruction of our D.

We were totally dominated. That safety, in fact, came from Mack and gang getting to TT. To think that truly impressively bad safety call had anything to do with us losing is to mis-perceive stupendously.

I'm writing this off memory but I'll bet my life that a re-watch of that game will leave you amazed at Beef's dominance over us. Welcome to Solich ball.
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GroverBall
2/29/2016 8:27 PM
From "I am extremely happy" I knew Monroe was ending with the jab.
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mid70sbobcat
3/1/2016 7:20 AM
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From "I am extremely happy" I knew Monroe was ending with the jab.
Hey, he takes jabs at Ohio football whether it's on the football forum or the basketball forum. And he refers to Buffalo fans as 'whiny' ..... hmmm, he's the one who seems whiny for the past few years re: Frank and our program. But I doubt that will ever change.
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Monroe Slavin
3/1/2016 10:19 AM
So, you don't disagree with my analysis of that football game?


Or you can go the the hazy, unfocused, lazy 'Monroe' card.


Isn't it a little old to keep coming with general bias which doesn't meet the specifics which I state?




Yes. It is.
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