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GraffZ06
2/28/2016 12:04 AM
Simmons and Setty kept us in this game. KK and Dartis hit some big shots that helped us win it late.

I said it in the chat room and I'll say it again here.

I feel like we stole one. It's hard to steal one when you're at home and on Senior night, but we played awful and were behind the majority of the game from the opening tip. Buffalo was playing really well. We didn't play well at all.

But that leads me to my next point which is, we gutted out a win. We found a way to win on a night when we didn't play well and other team was. That's impressive. Not only that, we put up 103 points on a night when Campbell scored 6 points. Some tremendous offensive efforts from all those mentioned above. Great way to go out for Treg especially.

I'd like to add to something Monroe said about Doug Taylor. The kid is a big body with a physical presence and the more I see of him the more impressed I am. He battles for position and rebounds well (two things we sorely need inside) and he has some skills offensively. I don't know how healthy he is or his conditioning etc but I think he deserves more minutes. He's already passed Wadly on the depth chart but I could see a real case for giving him 12/15/18 minutes a night if he's able, especially to give us a more physical presence than Treg inside or on nights when TC is in foul trouble (or maybe even to give TC the confidence to actually PLAY defense instead of always being so passive for fear of foul trouble). Matchups obviously dictate that on a game by game basis but I felt like we played better and I was more comfortable with him in the game down low today than when Campbell was in there.

My last point is, we still employ the "OLE!" defense. Good lord we're bad. I don't know if it's lack of skill/athleticism of our guys on defense (slow feet makes us look out of position and unable to stay in front of guys), or if it's just a lack of will/preparation (defense and rebounding are about anticipation and want to)...or if that's just not the calling card of a Saul Phillips team (I hope it's not this). But, as fun as this team can be, they're only going to go as far as their defense and rebounding will take them in the post-season and I'm afraid that's not very far. Offense sells tickets. Defense wins championships. Hope we find a way to figure that out soon. Maybe more Taylor, Block and Laster.
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PVRAY
2/28/2016 8:36 AM
great game....wish I could have watched it....what happened with all the fouls with 8 seconds remaining?
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Eagle66
2/28/2016 8:48 AM
PVRAY wrote:expand_more
great game....wish I could have watched it....what happened with all the fouls with 8 seconds remaining?

A foul called on Buffalo going for a rebound, then a tech for arguing, then another tech on Bearden for something he must have said.
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Pete Chouteau
2/28/2016 9:43 AM
Keep in mind that when you're on the floor in foul trouble, OLE is about all you can do. And I'll add that the semi circle under the basket has changed the way you can defend under the basket.
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Pataskala
2/28/2016 10:37 AM
Reghi commented that Buffalo plays aggressive. They also play stupidly. They don't catch on that refs are calling a game tight.
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berniebobcat
2/28/2016 10:46 AM
I agree totally with this post. The point that defense wins championships can't be over emphasized.
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RSBobcat
2/28/2016 10:50 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
Reghi commented that Buffalo plays aggressive. They also play stupidly. They don't catch on that refs are calling a game tight.
Not sure about "stupidly". The do play aggressive. Aggressive D and aggressive O. They were holding and climbing all over Tone all game - held top scorer in the MAC most of this season under 8 pts. They crashed the boards both sides of the court. Seemed to me there were were 2-3 blue jerseys in the paint after after shot they put up (we rarely have anyone within 10 feet of the basket after a shot goes up unless it is a driver i.e. Simmons). They cut and slashed into the paint on O. They took a top team in the MAC to overtime on their court.
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bshot44
2/28/2016 10:53 AM
Totally agree that Ohio stole one vs UB. Bulls totally dictated that game and the way it was played. Ohio had spurts where they looked in control, but they were few. Up 8 early in 2H they fell back into that passive, disinterested mode they played with at BG. Why this continues to be an issue nearly 30 games in is an issue. Youth? Maybe? But those lind of things get you bounced early in Cleveland.

Defense....oh my. They are...ummmm....not good. Really, really soft. The inability to stay in front of guys is dreadful. I agree KKs offensive decision making isn't great (high risk, high reward) but he is total liability on defense. He can't guard air. Everyone goes right by him. It's really bad.

Rebounding is about toughness and desire and yesterday that was really missing with Ohio. UB dominated on boards. Ohio has to get more physical in the paint and quit making it A) so easy to get into lane and B) so easy to get offensive rebounds.

What in the hell was up with AC? That was as bad a game I've seen from him in 3 years. He was so incredibly passive it was crazy. It's one thing to get shutdown, but if you're potential MAC POY how do you go 24 minutes without a shot attempt? He couldn't get post position all day. Totally outworked by UB on both ends. He just didn't appear engaged all afternoon.

Kind of same for Dartis. He had one shot attempt before those huge 3s. I know he had ankle issue, but was invisible nearly all day.

All in all, great to get that win. But play like that in Cleveland and it'll be one-and-done.

Big opportunity Tuesday in Akron and a chance to do what Kron/Kent couldn't do on Friday...win in Oxford.

A MAC regular season title would be a helluva accomplishment for a team that most of us felt was a year away from that.
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RSBobcat
2/28/2016 11:21 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
What in the hell was up with AC? That was as bad a game I've seen from him in 3 years. He was so incredibly passive it was crazy. It's one thing to get shutdown, but if you're potential MAC POY how do you go 24 minutes without a shot attempt? He couldn't get post position all day. Totally outworked by UB on both ends. He just didn't appear engaged all afternoon.
As my just prior post said - they were grabbing, holding, and climbing all over Tone all game. I think that was the bulk of their game plan - shut down Tone - and they did.

And they crash the boards both ends of the court. We don't.
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bshot44
2/28/2016 11:35 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
What in the hell was up with AC? That was as bad a game I've seen from him in 3 years. He was so incredibly passive it was crazy. It's one thing to get shutdown, but if you're potential MAC POY how do you go 24 minutes without a shot attempt? He couldn't get post position all day. Totally outworked by UB on both ends. He just didn't appear engaged all afternoon.
As my just prior post said - they were grabbing, holding, and climbing all over Tone all game. I think that was the bulk of their game plan - shut down Tone - and they did.

And they crash the boards both ends of the court. We don't.
Not disagreeing on what UB did....more concerned about what AC didn't. He's potential MAC POY...he shouldn't be totally shutout like that. How many times did we see Gary Trent get double & triple teamed and he still found way to get 20pts.

Not saying AC is on same level as Trent...but when things are tough he has to find a way to get involved. He has ability to shoot 3, but he couldn't even get a look from there. He just didn't seem active and he allowed UB to dictate things. He's too good to be neutered like that
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Pataskala
2/28/2016 11:38 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Reghi commented that Buffalo plays aggressive. They also play stupidly. They don't catch on that refs are calling a game tight.
Not sure about "stupidly".
From the Messenger article:

Buffalo was called for 36 personal fouls during the game, including the technicals. Four Bulls’ players fouled out, two more finished with four fouls, and Ohio shot a season-high 49 free throws. UB also took 32 free throws on 22 Ohio fouls.

“Some of that is on us,” Oats said. “We had some dumb ones. We grabbed guys, we held guys. We got to play smarter.”
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71 BOBCAT
2/28/2016 12:18 PM
This game is another example of how this team has improved their mental toughness since the beginning of the year. Had this game been played in early January we would not have even taken this game into OT much less win.
Like someone else stated we looked all year like "As Tony goes so do the Bobcats". Well others stepped up to off set Tony's lack of offense.
2 games left and non bigger than Tuesday night @ Akron...this one is for 1st place and also to make a statement to the rest of the league.




GO BOBCATS
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OUVan
2/28/2016 5:19 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Not disagreeing on what UB did....more concerned about what AC didn't. He's potential MAC POY...he shouldn't be totally shutout like that. How many times did we see Gary Trent get double & triple teamed and he still found way to get 20pts.

Not saying AC is on same level as Trent...but when things are tough he has to find a way to get involved. He has ability to shoot 3, but he couldn't even get a look from there. He just didn't seem active and he allowed UB to dictate things. He's too good to be neutered like that
Completely disagree. They made it their main focus that Campbell not touch the ball. There aren't many players, especially big guys, who can overcome that offensively. And we didn't try to force it to him very much which was good and the reason that Simmons, Setty and Kaminski combined for nearly 80 points. I hope more teams decide to sell out that much on Campbell. Not sure how you can complain about offensive production in this game. The object isn't to get Campbell points, it's to get team points and we just scored 103.
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west side cat
2/28/2016 7:25 PM
Agree with OUVan. I thought Tony worked pretty hard to try to present himself as a threat down low, and would bounce outside often times. Thought JS was looking for him as first touch, but wouldn't force it and would find other options. If Campbell isn't open we have other threats, I'll take my chances. Thought it was a great game and great atmosphere in the Convo considering no band and few students. Treg was awesome, very happy for him.
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OUVan
2/28/2016 8:09 PM
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That was the worst reffing since the "Safety" call.
Just went back and rewatched the second half based on this comment and the complete whinefest going on on the Buffalo board and I have to say BS. If you think you deserved more free throws just because you drove more you guys don't know basketball. You drove a lot and subsequently scored a lot on the drives because we played so passively that you had a free path to the basket. On the other end you guys are just as aggressive on defense including holding, pushing and slapping. I rewatched looking for questionable calls and I couldn't find any other than a couple of out of bounds calls that you couldn't tell even on replay whether they were correct or not. Sorry but the foul differential was earned especially since you had so many in the last minute.
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Andrew Ruck
2/28/2016 8:47 PM
I thought Buffalo played well, these guys will be good next year. Bearden & Massinburg will be as good of a duo as any the next 2 years. That is, if Bearden can stick around...he seems like a complete hot mess to me.

What a great game. I kept saying we had to find Dartis spotted up for a 3. He is the new Nick Kellogg and I love it.
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GroverBall
2/28/2016 8:58 PM
I agree with Van too. They were fronting Tony in the post and putting another defender on the block to prevent the lob over top. It was effective, and a lot of the fouls called on their bigs were when Tony had position and they were fighting like mad to get around to front him. As Van pointed out, Tony didn't get his points but plenty of others did.
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GroverBall
2/28/2016 9:03 PM
Does Bearden remind anyone else of Jeremy Fears?
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OUVan
2/28/2016 9:35 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
I thought Buffalo played well, these guys will be good next year. Bearden & Massinburg will be as good of a duo as any the next 2 years. That is, if Bearden can stick around...he seems like a complete hot mess to me.
They will be tough. That being said I hate their style of basketball. They are very athletic and so much of their game is just stuffing it down the opponents throat in one-on-one play. Just not what I like to watch.
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bornacatfan
2/28/2016 9:47 PM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
What in the hell was up with AC? That was as bad a game I've seen from him in 3 years. He was so incredibly passive it was crazy. It's one thing to get shutdown, but if you're potential MAC POY how do you go 24 minutes without a shot attempt? He couldn't get post position all day. Totally outworked by UB on both ends. He just didn't appear engaged all afternoon.
As my just prior post said - they were grabbing, holding, and climbing all over Tone all game. I think that was the bulk of their game plan - shut down Tone - and they did.

And they crash the boards both ends of the court. We don't.
was driving from Greenville O and listening. I told Laurie...if you have 4 players x 5 fouls to give you are gonna concentrate on Tony and dare the rest to beat you....almost worked
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Ted Thompson
2/28/2016 10:10 PM

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clodney
2/29/2016 10:15 AM
You're nuts if you want to tell me that the fouls were called evenly in that game. A poster on BullRun actually looked at the statistics of the game and determined that the Bobcats received a Free Throw on 102% of your shot attempts, while Buffalo received a Free Throw on 58% of our shot attempts. Not to mention, you guys missed the front end of a bunch of 1 and 1's, so the numbers are even higher for you. Now, you tell me how a team with our brand of slashing basketball (which I actually agree with you is not much fun to watch) only gets to the line half the amount of time that you do? It's not just about the egregious calls like the Wigginton phantom 3-pt foul at the end of the first half, or the zero-evidence overturned possession at the end of regulation, you guys simply had a larger strike zone than us the entire game.

As for us "whining", you guys have done that plenty as well. You had every right to whine after that horrific safety call, but at least that game was a blowout and wasn't a crucial match up in the MAC standings. This game was huge and our boys deserved that win. It's just too bad they mailed it in a week ago at home when the refs might have given us the advantage.
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GoCats105
2/29/2016 10:55 AM
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I thought Buffalo played well, these guys will be good next year. Bearden & Massinburg will be as good of a duo as any the next 2 years. That is, if Bearden can stick around...he seems like a complete hot mess to me.
They will be tough. That being said I hate their style of basketball. They are very athletic and so much of their game is just stuffing it down the opponents throat in one-on-one play. Just not what I like to watch.
It's terrible. Guys are ultra athletic and can score going to the hoop and pretty good defensively, but not much else. They reminded me or a Mick Cronin UC team, actually.
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GoCats105
2/29/2016 11:00 AM
clodney wrote:expand_more
As for us "whining", you guys have done that plenty as well. You had every right to whine after that horrific safety call, but at least that game was a blowout and wasn't a crucial match up in the MAC standings. This game was huge and our boys deserved that win. It's just too bad they mailed it in a week ago at home when the refs might have given us the advantage.
I don't want to make this a football chat, but Ohio was 6-2 (3-1 MAC) going into that game. Buffalo was 6-2 (4-0 MAC) at the time. It sure was a big game according to my eyes. And that play led to the blowout. Not sure Ohio would have won otherwise, probably not, but that horrible call completely took any wind out of the sails.

You guys were still in this game, it went to OT for crying out loud. Maybe if Buffalo doesn't get T'd up twice in one play it's a different outcome.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
2/29/2016 11:09 AM
clodney wrote:expand_more
You're nuts if you want to tell me that the fouls were called evenly in that game. A poster on BullRun actually looked at the statistics of the game and determined that the Bobcats received a Free Throw on 102% of your shot attempts, while Buffalo received a Free Throw on 58% of our shot attempts. Not to mention, you guys missed the front end of a bunch of 1 and 1's, so the numbers are even higher for you. Now, you tell me how a team with our brand of slashing basketball (which I actually agree with you is not much fun to watch) only gets to the line half the amount of time that you do? It's not just about the egregious calls like the Wigginton phantom 3-pt foul at the end of the first half, or the zero-evidence overturned possession at the end of regulation, you guys simply had a larger strike zone than us the entire game.

As for us "whining", you guys have done that plenty as well. You had every right to whine after that horrific safety call, but at least that game was a blowout and wasn't a crucial match up in the MAC standings. This game was huge and our boys deserved that win. It's just too bad they mailed it in a week ago at home when the refs might have given us the advantage.
It was buffalo's play away from the ball that was the deciding factor in the foul counts. Your guys went into the paint a lot, yes, and for the most part did so uncontested. They could have called a foul on us for poor defense but we sure weren't trying to stop you. You held, you pulled, you hooked. you did it to the extreme all game long.
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