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OU_Country
2/24/2016 10:54 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
So many troubling things come from tonight.

KK was feeling some serious rust. Saul even admitted sticking with him too long. Block only played 10 mins. Mistake there.

Where was the fire...energy...passion? Didn't see it...at all. Even when they jumped up by 10, they were still getting abused on glass by BG. Had all kinds of chances to bury a team that A) embarrassed them on their home floor B) lost 7 straight C) were 1-6 at home in MAC

That was not a "playing for a championship" type of effort. And with what was on the line and in game 27 and with opponent, that's a head scratcher. Saul is 0-4 vs BG.

Outrebounded by 10. Only 8 FT attempts. Those are "getting outworked" kind of stats.

That defense was embarrassing in 2H. How many layups/dunks did they let up? 13 of their 16 2H FGs were layups or dunks. Other 3 were two 3ptrs and a short jumper. That's atrocious! Especially when this exact same team did the exact same thing already to you this year.

2H offense was equally puzzling. Antonio Campbell had 9 2H FG attempts, 7 were 3 ptrs? You mean to tell me he's torn up the entire league, yet he can't get post touches/attempts vs BG?!?!

And the body language was bad. Didn't see them huddling up during dead balls....not helping each other off the floor. Was total 180 from what we've seen last few weeks.

Not what you want to see during the stretch run for a title.

This could really be loss that bites them in ass big time in the end...could cost them top 4 seed.

They get an angry UB team Saturday with revenge on their mind...a trip to Akron...and a trip Miami.

None of those gimmies...especially after tonight.

Akron 10-5
Ohio 9-6
Kent 9-6
Ball St 9-6
Buffalo 9-6
CMU 8-7
Toledo 8-7
EMU 7-8
NIU 7-8

Yeah. That's a log jam. 1st-9th separated by 3 games. Ohio could win league or be on road for 1st round game.

Buckle up.

The biggest concern I've had all year, besides defense, is the streakiness of KK, and how much Saul sticks with him when it's not happening for him. Block seems to contribute in more facets of the game than KK, but he's not the potentially prolific scorer at this time.

I know the shoulder has been am issue, and I know prior to the concussion he was really starting to roll. I guess I see two issues that sometimes frustrate me: 1) the defense needs to be better, 2) the ball movement sometimes seems to stick when it gets to him.

Those are my criticisms, fair or unfair. The other side is that there are a couple games during the 7 of 8 streak leading up to BG, and prior to Kenny's concussion, that Ohio doesn't win without his shooting/scoring.
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GroverBall
2/24/2016 11:10 AM
Eagle66 wrote:expand_more
For those wondering about Block, he only played limited minutes because he got sick during the game. I don't think he was even on the bench in the second half. I think Saul mentioned this in post game too.
I'm pretty sure I noticed Block in his warm-up jacket in a late huddle. I didn't know he was sick, but I remember thinking he didn't look very happy and I wondered if it had anything to do with not being on the floor, or if it was just because of the way the game was going.
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GroverBall
2/24/2016 11:26 AM
My question on KK is this: how long do you support a Shooter to shoot his or her way out of a slump in a single game? I understand that Shooters get a green light, but I also know that game-by-game a player gets a feel for their night, what is working and what isn't. I thought KK took two late 3s last night that missed badly, one at about the 3 minute mark when it was a one possession game that was early in the shot clock. Both were from the same spot in front of our bench. I was thinking get the ball into Tony or let Jaaron drive. At most points in the first 30-35 minutes of a game I say let a Shooter shoot open shots, but with maybe 5 min to go and you have a good sense of how your night is going, as the Shooter I say you make another decision when you're 1 for 8 and missing badly. The odds that your next one from 25 feet is going in are not great IMO, and you find the guys who having been making buckets in that particular game. The hot hand or hands. Thoughts? BBIQ? When does the green light turn yellow?
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bshot44
2/24/2016 1:28 PM
KK has been streaky to say the least. The rust of the concussion definitely showed last night.

But yes, he's been kind of a black hole all year.....when he gets ball 80% of the team he's shooting....and a lot of time that's from 3.

Last night it was especially baffling.....

Campbell had 19 pts in 1st half.....he only attempted two 3ptrs....

2nd half when Ohio had chance to seize control of game (either to slow BG's run midway thru 2H or late once they took 1pt lead or were in one possession game) they couldn't get it to him in the post.

AC took 9 shots in the 2nd half....and 7 of them were three-point attempts.

How does the MAC POY, who has been an absolute terror in the paint the last month, only get off 2 FG attempts in the paint in the 2H in that game.

I don't get it.

BG is a bad team....7 straight losses...1-6 at home in MAC.....and yet, they are the ones who figure out how to stop Campbell in the post after they got torched for 19 points in the first half?

I just don't get it. Get to ball to AC in the post...let him work....draw a foul?!?!?! They only shot 8 FTs all night.

It was just such a bizarre game......so much different from what we've seen the last 9.

They lost all semblance of offensive composure in the 2H. They quit working the ball....quit going inside out. Was a lot of one-on-one stuff and it cost them. Dartis had a couple charges.

They just look totally out of sync and were forcing things instead of just putting a saddle on their horse (AC) and riding him.

Don't get it.
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bobcat2nc
2/24/2016 1:47 PM
I think KK's best games in terms of his shooting AND his other contributions to the team were when he got some early shots off a drive or a short step back shot. Maybe a coincidence but it seemed that his shot selection was less forced when that happened.

Coaching is simple from the stands and recliner though😀. But not as simple as officiating from those locations.
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RSBobcat
2/24/2016 9:59 PM
Why we lost:

NOT - KK shooting

YES - Piss poor D
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100%Cat
2/25/2016 7:22 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Why we lost:

NOT - KK shooting

YES - Piss poor D
Yes, exactly. Kaminski's shooting struggles didn't cause us to allow 87 points.
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OU_Country
2/25/2016 9:29 AM
100%Cat wrote:expand_more
Why we lost:

NOT - KK shooting

YES - Piss poor D
Yes, exactly. Kaminski's shooting struggles didn't cause us to allow 87 points.
That depends. In some cases it may have. Taking ill advised long 3's can lead to long rebounds for the opponent, and easy run outs. Since OUr team isn't terribly adept at hitting the offensive glass, it could have had an effect.
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100%Cat
2/25/2016 10:26 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Why we lost:

NOT - KK shooting

YES - Piss poor D
Yes, exactly. Kaminski's shooting struggles didn't cause us to allow 87 points.
That depends. In some cases it may have. Taking ill advised long 3's can lead to long rebounds for the opponent, and easy run outs. Since OUr team isn't terribly adept at hitting the offensive glass, it could have had an effect.
That's a reach, and a long one.
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OU_Country
2/25/2016 10:28 AM
I'm essentially saying that contributes to fast breaks. Fast breaks make it hard to play good defense. I'm not saying it's the only reason that 87 points were given up though.
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GroverBall
2/25/2016 11:42 PM
Well, none of these responses have really addressed my point. We're up 69-68 and get a defensive rebound with 3:31 to play. We get the ball across half court and at 3:22 Kenny takes a deep three. He knows, the coaches know, the fans know that he has not been stroking it on the night. Should he have the green light anyway?

I agree, this game was lost on the defensive end. But with the lead with three and a half to go I think the decisions that are made in each situation are crucial.
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GoCats105
2/26/2016 6:54 AM
GroverBall wrote:expand_more
Well, none of these responses have really addressed my point. We're up 69-68 and get a defensive rebound with 3:31 to play. We get the ball across half court and at 3:22 Kenny takes a deep three. He knows, the coaches know, the fans know that he has not been stroking it on the night. Should he have the green light anyway?

I agree, this game was lost on the defensive end. But with the lead with three and a half to go I think the decisions that are made in each situation are crucial.
That was a terrible shot no matter who would have taken it. Ohio had just got some momentum back and with the ball, up 1 with the clock winding down, they have to feed Tony or let Jaaron create. That was a bad shot, but it would have been had anyone taken it.
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GoCats105
2/26/2016 6:56 AM
100%Cat wrote:expand_more
Why we lost:

NOT - KK shooting

YES - Piss poor D
Yes, exactly. Kaminski's shooting struggles didn't cause us to allow 87 points.
That depends. In some cases it may have. Taking ill advised long 3's can lead to long rebounds for the opponent, and easy run outs. Since OUr team isn't terribly adept at hitting the offensive glass, it could have had an effect.
That's a reach, and a long one.
Maybe, but it's a very underrated flaw in a lot of teams. Quick shots that lead to long rebounds let the guards get out into the open floor before the bigs can get down there to clog the lane.
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OU_Country
2/26/2016 9:05 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Why we lost:

NOT - KK shooting

YES - Piss poor D
Yes, exactly. Kaminski's shooting struggles didn't cause us to allow 87 points.
That depends. In some cases it may have. Taking ill advised long 3's can lead to long rebounds for the opponent, and easy run outs. Since OUr team isn't terribly adept at hitting the offensive glass, it could have had an effect.
That's a reach, and a long one.
Maybe, but it's a very underrated flaw in a lot of teams. Quick shots that lead to long rebounds let the guards get out into the open floor before the bigs can get down there to clog the lane.

Pretty much my point exactly.
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