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71 BOBCAT
2/21/2016 8:49 AM
We are running 2X better than any other MAC school. Promotions, ticket prices, concessions, all help making this happen. There can certainly be additional ways to continue to add to the game experience which would add to the attendance figures both in BB and FB. The school probably could use a marketing consultant.

I'm available in case anyone from the university is reading this board.



GO BOBCATS
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TWT
2/21/2016 9:46 AM
Gallia Cat wrote:expand_more
My deadhorse about the key to attendance is winning looks like it will get a good run from here on with SaulBall. If we keep playing as well as we have recently, the youngsters getting experience and the recruits being solid--it's gonn' be a lot of fun. The crowds should continue to follow.
Ohio has a winning team this year and we aren't seeing a significant impact in crowd numbers. Realistically this can be a Top 3 program in the MAC every year which is what it is this season. The key I think as mentioned in the the thread is more Saturday games and bringing better opponents into the Convo. Ohio schedules have so much W's padding built into them. The wins are padded into the non-conference schedule and in the post season too by hosting games in a CBI/CIT tournament. Marietta and Rio Grande should be on the schedule every other year to maintain local interest.
The attendance lags a year. This was suppose to be another rebuilding year in which Ohio was simply hoping for a middle of the pack finish and a hope of beginning to peak towards to the end of the year. The anticipation of a big season is what drives advance ticket sales and there was not much of that with this team. Next year will be a different story. Ohio will see an attendance bump next year based of the success of this year's team. There will be a lot more real butts in seats and more of those family packs won't go unused as often. All of a sudden I am hearing people starting to talking about taking vacation days for the MAC tournament this year'. Who would of thunk it before the season started? I didn't. I was praying for 10-8 at best and would be happy at 9-9.
The attendance average sits at 6,444 this season. If Jackson State and Arkansas Pine Bluff were removed from the schedule that average goes up by only about 200 a game. What makes more of a difference if is if one of those games was replaced by a P5 opponent that draws 10,000 to the Convo. The game attendance spikes the average and drives interest and season ticket sales so the resultant effect is closer to a gain of 500 per game. Win or lose our RPI is probably 10 points higher too. I get the schedule in the context of where Saul's program was going into the season but to build interest the schedule has got to improve.
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OhioCatFan
2/21/2016 12:36 PM
Why are we arguing about the schedule? Saul said quite directly that this year's schedule was built specifically for this young team so that they could get some wins and build confidence early in the season. He further stated that schedules going forward would look different. Why don't we just wait and see what he comes up with for next year before we start all of this second guessing. I, for one, trust Saul on this matter, and many others. Go OHIO!
Last Edited: 2/21/2016 12:38:36 PM by OhioCatFan
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Monroe Slavin
2/21/2016 1:30 PM
As usual, I agree with OCF. I think that a year from now, given SaulBall apparently getting traction, no one will much be raising attendance questions.

'cause not only is this team starting to win, it's doing it in attractive, entertaining, good-basketball ways.

Who's going to become our lock-down defender who can stop anyone from guard to small forward?
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shabamon
2/22/2016 8:34 AM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
I'd really like to see a better solution to the secondary market for premium seats develop in the Convo. I don't buy that resale of quality tickets isn't good for the athletic department. We can have one piece of pie today or the whole pie tomorrow when those fans who would have bought one cheap seat return with more money.
This has me scratching my head, too. I can't buy any lower bowl seats through the main athletics website because the ticket interface says they're sold out. Okay, but if that's the case, there are a ton of sold tickets that are going unused. Why is it that there are so few available on secondary sites like stubhub?
I'd say because there are so few people who take the time to resell their tickets. In this conversation, the thing I don't understand is why lower level tickets that are unsold as season tickets aren't made available on a per game basis? If they're unbought seats, they should be available on the single game list on a game by game basis.
The athletic department is afraid that if tickets are available in the lower bowl or tower club in football for individual game sale that season ticket holders that only go to a couple of games will opt to buy those seats over buying season tickets.
Again, they would have to price the season ticket packages and single-game seats accordingly, but do something to make them available. Coming from Cincinnati and usually busy on weekends, I may only make it to two home games a season at best, but I don't want to sit in the upper levels. I would gladly pay $30-$50 for a 100 or 200 level seat.
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OU_Country
2/22/2016 11:18 AM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
I'd really like to see a better solution to the secondary market for premium seats develop in the Convo. I don't buy that resale of quality tickets isn't good for the athletic department. We can have one piece of pie today or the whole pie tomorrow when those fans who would have bought one cheap seat return with more money.
This has me scratching my head, too. I can't buy any lower bowl seats through the main athletics website because the ticket interface says they're sold out. Okay, but if that's the case, there are a ton of sold tickets that are going unused. Why is it that there are so few available on secondary sites like stubhub?
I'd say because there are so few people who take the time to resell their tickets. In this conversation, the thing I don't understand is why lower level tickets that are unsold as season tickets aren't made available on a per game basis? If they're unbought seats, they should be available on the single game list on a game by game basis.
The athletic department is afraid that if tickets are available in the lower bowl or tower club in football for individual game sale that season ticket holders that only go to a couple of games will opt to buy those seats over buying season tickets.
Again, they would have to price the season ticket packages and single-game seats accordingly, but do something to make them available. Coming from Cincinnati and usually busy on weekends, I may only make it to two home games a season at best, but I don't want to sit in the upper levels. I would gladly pay $30-$50 for a 100 or 200 level seat.
There are plenty of people out there that would do this as well. I think strongly encouraging a re-sale website amongst current ticket holders is an easier proposition. I bet Monroe can attest to the challenges of re-selling.
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2/22/2016 11:19 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Who's going to become our lock-down defender who can stop anyone from guard to small forward?
Jordy, and Laster quickly come to mind
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Monroe Slavin
2/22/2016 11:26 PM
Athletics has got to sell season tickets for the prime seats. I think that any school that allowed single game purchases of seats for prime games would lose a lot of revenue. I can't imagine that's available hardly anywhere given revenue needs.

Selling my BobcatBlack takes a bit of effort in terms of I have to put up the email offering them...have to keep updating that thread...have to update my 'bids' spreadsheet as bids come in...have to keep in touch with all who are bidding so that they know if they're leading or not...have to notify the winner about how to pay me...have to confirm payment is in ,.and have to notify the winner and the ticket office of each other's contact info and my info so that the tickets will be ready for the winner at will call.

It's more work than I'd like but I'm willing to do it so that the proceeds (50% to School of Accounting, 50% to Bobcat Club, rest to general fund) are generated for the University.

It's certainly not a system that would work on anything other than the smallest of scales. Automation obviously a must for anything beyond informal, small sales.

By the way, Athletics tells me that they are prohibited from re-selling tickets. Must be an NCAA regulation.

I don't see why these things aren't allowed: more than one guy in motion in football so long as not going forward to line of scrimmage, kicking the ball in hoops (shouldn't be a turnover..just keep playing), and re-selling of tix by Athletics.
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bobcatsquared
2/23/2016 7:07 AM
Mark Znidar, in an article in the Dispatch today about local products Matt Bingaya and Jamel Morris, writes that Fairmont St., a D-II school in West Virginia, averages 12,644 fans per game. And that in-state rival Glenville St. averages around 10,000.

Are these numbers possible. Do these schools even have arenas that can hold such numbers? Jeff Mac, or others posters with knowledge of D-II basketball in West Virginia, is it possible these numbers from Znidar are accurate.

Very impressive if accurate.
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colobobcat66
2/23/2016 7:23 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
Mark Znidar, in an article in the Dispatch today about local products Matt Bingaya and Jamel Morris, writes that Fairmont St., a D-II school in West Virginia, averages 12,644 fans per game. And that in-state rival Glenville St. averages around 10,000.

Are these numbers possible. Do these schools even have arenas that can hold such numbers? Jeff Mac, or others posters with knowledge of D-II basketball in West Virginia, is it possible these numbers from Znidar are accurate.

Very impressive if accurate.
A quick check finds Glenvilles new arena seats 3,000 and the town in under 2,000 with under 2,000 students. Can't believe 10,000 attendence average. Football average?

Considering that according to NCAA attendance figures, the leading D-2 attendance was 3300 or so, I'm guessing these may be season totals rather than averages, but who knows.
Last Edited: 2/23/2016 8:09:53 AM by colobobcat66
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shabamon
2/23/2016 8:26 AM
colobobcat66 wrote:expand_more
Mark Znidar, in an article in the Dispatch today about local products Matt Bingaya and Jamel Morris, writes that Fairmont St., a D-II school in West Virginia, averages 12,644 fans per game. And that in-state rival Glenville St. averages around 10,000.

Are these numbers possible. Do these schools even have arenas that can hold such numbers? Jeff Mac, or others posters with knowledge of D-II basketball in West Virginia, is it possible these numbers from Znidar are accurate.

Very impressive if accurate.
A quick check finds Glenvilles new arena seats 3,000 and the town in under 2,000 with under 2,000 students. Can't believe 10,000 attendence average. Football average?

Considering that according to NCAA attendance figures, the leading D-2 attendance was 3300 or so, I'm guessing these may be season totals rather than averages, but who knows.
http://www.fightingfalcons.com/custompages/media/2015-16/...

I found this in five seconds. It's that easy. That number is the total. Fairmont averages under 1,000 per game.
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shabamon
2/23/2016 8:42 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Athletics has got to sell season tickets for the prime seats. I think that any school that allowed single game purchases of seats for prime games would lose a lot of revenue. I can't imagine that's available hardly anywhere given revenue needs.
How?

This year, season ticket prices for a Silver seat totals to $215, Gold at $300, Platinum at $430. Divide those numbers by 17 (# of home games including the Indiana Tech exhibition) and you get $12.65 per game for Silver, $17.65 for Gold, and $25.30 for Platinum.

I don't know if athletics charged less for other single home games in the upper deck, but tickets for Saturday's Buffalo game are going for $20. Assuming all single game seats were $20 this year, I think athletics could charge $25-$30 for a single game Silver seat, $30-$40 for Gold, and $40-$50 for Platinum. It would make the premium tickets available to non-season ticket holders who can afford them (think out-of-towners, like me) while still making season tickets a hell of a good deal. If you charged $35 for a single game gold seat, that comes out to $595 for 17 games. A season ticket holder would get a $595 value for $300!
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bobcatsquared
2/23/2016 9:40 AM
My most sincerest apologies for not doing a quick check.

Just couldn't believe the figures provided by Znidar - "Fairmont State leads the Mountain West in attendance with a 12,644 average per game, almost 2,400 more than Glenville State."
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OU_Country
2/23/2016 9:50 AM
The Athletic Department may be banned by NCAA Regulations from re-selling tickets...on their own. Unless some schools are breaking the rules and getting away with it, many have sites linked to their own sites for re-selling tickets. The Dayton Flyers are my first example. Yes, their demand is different from ours, but they still promote the Ticketmaster re-sale site where users can sell tickets they aren't going to use. My recollection is that X does this as well. Go look up single game tickets for UD games and you'll have little trouble finding this.

On the lower bowl seats, I still agree with Shaba. Sell the seats where there are gaps in the lower bowl, and make the per game dollar figure more like $50 for a platinum seat, $40 for a Gold seat, etc. But I maintain there's no sense in having unsold seats below the main concourse if they can help it. You never know, it might help season ticket sales too!
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Monroe Slavin
2/24/2016 1:32 AM
Shaba--You could be right that, for prime seats, pricing single game seats higher that what one pays for a single game thru buying a season ticket (total paid / # of games) could yield an increase in revenue.

It's a matter of math and making assumptions about levels of likely sales of both single game seats and season seat if both are available.

I assume that Athletics has run scenarios using various assumptions...and, apparently, concluded that selling more season ticket re prime seats brings in more revenue ?!?
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