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OU_Country
2/18/2016 3:05 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
It's not just a MAC problem, and part of it is cost, and value.

Which is an interesting point of this conversation, because I think Ohio Basketball tickets are usually a great value. Consider in comparison what it costs to go to a B1G game at some place like OSU, or a Big East Game at Xavier, and it's more than double the cost of an OU home game most of the time.
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BillyTheCat
2/18/2016 4:49 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
It's not just a MAC problem, and part of it is cost, and value.

Which is an interesting point of this conversation, because I think Ohio Basketball tickets are usually a great value. Consider in comparison what it costs to go to a B1G game at some place like OSU, or a Big East Game at Xavier, and it's more than double the cost of an OU home game most of the time.

Well, the area of the arena everyone is complaining about those nice lower bowl seats, those are not the cheapest seats in town. And seem to be ones that people seem to be saying are staying empty. From my quick glance, it would seem the cheapest tickets are the ones that have the most people in attendance
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Alan Swank
2/18/2016 4:59 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
It's not just a MAC problem, and part of it is cost, and value.

Which is an interesting point of this conversation, because I think Ohio Basketball tickets are usually a great value. Consider in comparison what it costs to go to a B1G game at some place like OSU, or a Big East Game at Xavier, and it's more than double the cost of an OU home game most of the time.

Well, the area of the arena everyone is complaining about those nice lower bowl seats, those are not the cheapest seats in town. And seem to be ones that people seem to be saying are staying empty. From my quick glance, it would seem the cheapest tickets are the ones that have the most people in attendance
Yes the courtside seats and then the lower bowl are the most expensive seats and they are going up next year - 29% for the courtside seat requirement. When the season started, there were season tickets available in all premium seat locations. Now part of that may have to do with 10 wins but economics is starting to come into play too. And as BTC posted earlier, it wasn't too many years ago when a free seat was pretty easy to come by. Personally I would have waited at least one more year before raising the prices.
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Speaker of Truth
2/18/2016 8:00 PM
Anyone complaining about our attendance is nuts. Compared to most schools we are doing great. The issue is obviously the size of the arena. There are so many options out there today, not considering the stay at home experience. We are in good shape.
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RSBobcat
2/18/2016 11:21 PM
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Anyone complaining about our attendance is nuts. Compared to most schools we are doing great. The issue is obviously the size of the arena. There are so many options out there today, not considering the stay at home experience. We are in good shape.
But I thought the excuse in Athens was HS games - What does that have to do with arena size? The issue is empty seats down low - student AND season tic holder side. If thinking empty seats in part of the arena that can have butts in seats making noise and impacting game is "nuts" - then what else could possibly matter? Most games this year they could toss one of the free t-shirts into the "Platinum" section at random and someone would have to fall over an empty seat around them to have a grab at one........
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RSBobcat
2/18/2016 11:24 PM
So - Because we have season tic holders who do not come to games - I will pay +28% more because I do......

That sounds like a losing proposition in the long run to me.......Not per me.......but for what happens with the empty seats.......
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Monroe Slavin
2/18/2016 11:43 PM
My deadhorse about the key to attendance is winning looks like it will get a good run from here on with SaulBall. If we keep playing as well as we have recently, the youngsters getting experience and the recruits being solid--it's gonn' be a lot of fun. The crowds should continue to follow.
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OhioCatFan
2/19/2016 1:49 AM
Why not just get rid of the black seats on the floor? This would mean that these folks could have premium seating in the lower bowl. That would help a little in filling out the lower bowl more for some of the less attended games. And, until we have the hanging scoreboard installed, it would also keep whatever idiot is responsible for the placement of said seats from placing right in front of the scoreboard. So, in my book, it would be a win-win situation.
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The Optimist
2/19/2016 7:58 AM
Strong lower bowl attendance improves game atmosphere which helps build our program. It isn't just a matter of revenue TODAY... It is a matter of creating a game atmosphere that encourages new fans and recruits alike to respect the program. That is good for growth...

I'd really like to see a better solution to the secondary market for premium seats develop in the Convo. I don't buy that resale of quality tickets isn't good for the athletic department. We can have one piece of pie today or the whole pie tomorrow when those fans who would have bought one cheap seat return with more money.
Last Edited: 2/19/2016 7:59:59 AM by The Optimist
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oldkatz
2/19/2016 8:32 AM
According to this morning's Dispatch, O$U is very concerned about the dramatic drop in attendance the last few years at their 19K plus arena.
Considering percentage of population attending games between Columbus and Athens, including student population size, we're not doing badly at all.
Just sayin'.
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shabamon
2/19/2016 8:40 AM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
I'd really like to see a better solution to the secondary market for premium seats develop in the Convo. I don't buy that resale of quality tickets isn't good for the athletic department. We can have one piece of pie today or the whole pie tomorrow when those fans who would have bought one cheap seat return with more money.
This has me scratching my head, too. I can't buy any lower bowl seats through the main athletics website because the ticket interface says they're sold out. Okay, but if that's the case, there are a ton of sold tickets that are going unused. Why is it that there are so few available on secondary sites like stubhub?
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OU_Country
2/19/2016 10:04 AM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
I'd really like to see a better solution to the secondary market for premium seats develop in the Convo. I don't buy that resale of quality tickets isn't good for the athletic department. We can have one piece of pie today or the whole pie tomorrow when those fans who would have bought one cheap seat return with more money.
This has me scratching my head, too. I can't buy any lower bowl seats through the main athletics website because the ticket interface says they're sold out. Okay, but if that's the case, there are a ton of sold tickets that are going unused. Why is it that there are so few available on secondary sites like stubhub?

I'd say because there are so few people who take the time to resell their tickets. In this conversation, the thing I don't understand is why lower level tickets that are unsold as season tickets aren't made available on a per game basis? If they're unbought seats, they should be available on the single game list on a game by game basis.
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Alan Swank
2/19/2016 10:09 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
I'd really like to see a better solution to the secondary market for premium seats develop in the Convo. I don't buy that resale of quality tickets isn't good for the athletic department. We can have one piece of pie today or the whole pie tomorrow when those fans who would have bought one cheap seat return with more money.
This has me scratching my head, too. I can't buy any lower bowl seats through the main athletics website because the ticket interface says they're sold out. Okay, but if that's the case, there are a ton of sold tickets that are going unused. Why is it that there are so few available on secondary sites like stubhub?

I'd say because there are so few people who take the time to resell their tickets. In this conversation, the thing I don't understand is why lower level tickets that are unsold as season tickets aren't made available on a per game basis? If they're unbought seats, they should be available on the single game list on a game by game basis.
If they were available on a single game basis that would devalue the $500 per seat expense that you'll see next year.
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bornacatfan
2/19/2016 11:11 AM
won't matter as the new AD will probably have his own ideas.:)
Last Edited: 2/19/2016 11:11:55 AM by bornacatfan
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Alan Swank
2/19/2016 11:25 AM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
won't matter as the new AD will probably have his own ideas.:)
Now there's a real teaser? Tom can we quote you as "you heard it here first?"
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BillyTheCat
2/19/2016 12:03 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
I'd really like to see a better solution to the secondary market for premium seats develop in the Convo. I don't buy that resale of quality tickets isn't good for the athletic department. We can have one piece of pie today or the whole pie tomorrow when those fans who would have bought one cheap seat return with more money.
This has me scratching my head, too. I can't buy any lower bowl seats through the main athletics website because the ticket interface says they're sold out. Okay, but if that's the case, there are a ton of sold tickets that are going unused. Why is it that there are so few available on secondary sites like stubhub?
Because if you could purchase these seats on a per-game basis, few people would pony up the OBC contribution if they didn't have too.
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OU_Country
2/19/2016 12:04 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I'd really like to see a better solution to the secondary market for premium seats develop in the Convo. I don't buy that resale of quality tickets isn't good for the athletic department. We can have one piece of pie today or the whole pie tomorrow when those fans who would have bought one cheap seat return with more money.
This has me scratching my head, too. I can't buy any lower bowl seats through the main athletics website because the ticket interface says they're sold out. Okay, but if that's the case, there are a ton of sold tickets that are going unused. Why is it that there are so few available on secondary sites like stubhub?

I'd say because there are so few people who take the time to resell their tickets. In this conversation, the thing I don't understand is why lower level tickets that are unsold as season tickets aren't made available on a per game basis? If they're unbought seats, they should be available on the single game list on a game by game basis.
If they were available on a single game basis that would devalue the $500 per seat expense that you'll see next year.
Price it accordingly? As in, don't make it a $20 ticket to the public sale, make it $45 or $50, but make it available if it's not sold as a season ticket. There's no sense in having lower bowl seats sit unsold.
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shabamon
2/19/2016 12:51 PM
^ Yes. Akron, Kent and, gosh, just about every other arena does this.
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bornacatfan
2/19/2016 2:42 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
won't matter as the new AD will probably have his own ideas.:)
Now there's a real teaser? Tom can we quote you as "you heard it here first?"

Nope just saying it may be a moot point. PU AD is stepping down in July 17. My friends are pushing hard to see OUr guy running their program. Without the emojis and emoticons I could not find a way to do the Facetious symbol.

Jim is pretty awesome and has elevated this dept and is one of the good guys. Amazing over the years to hear the Boeh and Hocutt stories and to have seen what he has done. Not always popular and not always in lockstep with the status quo but he has put this athletic program on a good course and I only hope if we do lose him we find someone who is as good or better.
Last Edited: 2/19/2016 2:43:45 PM by bornacatfan
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Lande71
2/19/2016 3:16 PM
the123kid wrote:expand_more
Anyone complaining about our attendance is nuts. Compared to most schools we are doing great. The issue is obviously the size of the arena. There are so many options out there today, not considering the stay at home experience. We are in good shape.
Wrong! Wrong attitude to take! This type of attitude will get you nowhere. I've seen it first hand. I've watched top notch (far, far better programs) go down the drain because of this and in other areas besides athletics. The reasoning, when the program started dwindling, was that "we are still better than everyone else! So, what's the problem?" The problem is that there is a reason you didn't stay at the top and excuses like this did not allow for change to stay at the top. These programs I am referring to are now no better than anyone else. The next problem is that you get used to it and accept it. You better maintain the greatness you got or you'll be sorry. Our attendance is good compared to most everyone else, but imo not as good as it used to be. Better keep it there cause I'm thinking no one will be happy if it gets to the levels of Miami, Emu, and Bg for example.
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Gallia Cat
2/19/2016 3:27 PM
Utah at UCLA was played before a half empty Pauly Pavillon last night.
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TWT
2/20/2016 8:51 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
I'd really like to see a better solution to the secondary market for premium seats develop in the Convo. I don't buy that resale of quality tickets isn't good for the athletic department. We can have one piece of pie today or the whole pie tomorrow when those fans who would have bought one cheap seat return with more money.
This has me scratching my head, too. I can't buy any lower bowl seats through the main athletics website because the ticket interface says they're sold out. Okay, but if that's the case, there are a ton of sold tickets that are going unused. Why is it that there are so few available on secondary sites like stubhub?
I'd say because there are so few people who take the time to resell their tickets. In this conversation, the thing I don't understand is why lower level tickets that are unsold as season tickets aren't made available on a per game basis? If they're unbought seats, they should be available on the single game list on a game by game basis.
The athletic department is afraid that if tickets are available in the lower bowl or tower club in football for individual game sale that season ticket holders that only go to a couple of games will opt to buy those seats over buying season tickets.
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TWT
2/20/2016 9:12 AM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
My deadhorse about the key to attendance is winning looks like it will get a good run from here on with SaulBall. If we keep playing as well as we have recently, the youngsters getting experience and the recruits being solid--it's gonn' be a lot of fun. The crowds should continue to follow.
Ohio has a winning team this year and we aren't seeing a significant impact in crowd numbers. Realistically this can be a Top 3 program in the MAC every year which is what it is this season. The key I think as mentioned in the the thread is more Saturday games and bringing better opponents into the Convo. Ohio schedules have so much W's padding built into them. The wins are padded into the non-conference schedule and in the post season too by hosting games in a CBI/CIT tournament. Marietta and Rio Grande should be on the schedule every other year to maintain local interest.
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perimeterpost
2/20/2016 8:10 PM
good weekend for the MAC re: attendance. If EMU and Toledo had played at Toledo instead of EMU would it would have been even better.

Friday and Saturday attendance-

9,018 Ohio v Miami
6,327 Kent St v Akron
5,160 Ball St v NIU

4,901 MAC Avg.

3,869 WMU v CMU
3,397 Buffalo v BGSU
1,636 EMU v Toledo
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Gallia Cat
2/20/2016 9:24 PM
Uncle Wes wrote:expand_more
My deadhorse about the key to attendance is winning looks like it will get a good run from here on with SaulBall. If we keep playing as well as we have recently, the youngsters getting experience and the recruits being solid--it's gonn' be a lot of fun. The crowds should continue to follow.
Ohio has a winning team this year and we aren't seeing a significant impact in crowd numbers. Realistically this can be a Top 3 program in the MAC every year which is what it is this season. The key I think as mentioned in the the thread is more Saturday games and bringing better opponents into the Convo. Ohio schedules have so much W's padding built into them. The wins are padded into the non-conference schedule and in the post season too by hosting games in a CBI/CIT tournament. Marietta and Rio Grande should be on the schedule every other year to maintain local interest.
The attendance lags a year. This was suppose to be another rebuilding year in which Ohio was simply hoping for a middle of the pack finish and a hope of beginning to peak towards to the end of the year. The anticipation of a big season is what drives advance ticket sales and there was not much of that with this team. Next year will be a different story. Ohio will see an attendance bump next year based of the success of this year's team. There will be a lot more real butts in seats and more of those family packs won't go unused as often. All of a sudden I am hearing people starting to talking about taking vacation days for the MAC tournament this year'. Who would of thunk it before the season started? I didn't. I was praying for 10-8 at best and would be happy at 9-9.
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