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Danny's Knee
2/14/2016 10:02 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
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Andrew Ruck
2/14/2016 10:13 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
But when I think of the word complete I think of versatile which may be where the disconnect is in this argument. Gary was easily the best player and most dominant player I've ever seen in a Bobcat uniform but others were better at certain aspects of the game. It's not sacrilege to say he wasn't the most complete. It's just an opinion.
Exactly. There isn't really even anything worth arguing here, I just didn't like the reaction of "OMG how can you possibly say anyone is better than Gary?!?!" reaction when that is clearly not what he was saying.
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The Optimist
2/15/2016 8:14 AM
I knew Tone was hitting at a high % from 3 but I didn't realize it was that high. This reminds me of watching the highlights of the UNC game where Brandon Hunter knocked down a couple 3's.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
2/15/2016 9:21 AM
The great thing about him knocking down 3-pointers is the psychological blow it deals to the opposing team. You can almost see them slink their shoulders when he does it. They can't stop him on the block and then when they seem him draining that shot, they know they have no shot. The Ball State fans around me audibly gasped when he knocked down his first 3-pointer last Tuesday night. I think a big-man 3-pointer is actually worth more than a guard hitting a 3-pointer. It just blows up an opposing defense.

Whenever he shoots a trey, I think of Sam Perkins.
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bobcatsquared
2/15/2016 12:56 PM
Brian Smith wrote:expand_more
Whenever he shoots a trey, I think of Sam Perkins.
I posted in the chat room earlier this year that I've gone back and forth between Sam Perkins and Pervis Ellison as to whom Campbell reminds me.
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GroverBall
2/15/2016 1:36 PM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
Whenever he shoots a trey, I think of Sam Perkins.
I posted in the chat room earlier this year that I've gone back and forth between Sam Perkins and Pervis Ellison as to whom Campbell reminds me.
I don't know, I was never a fan of Perkins' from-the-shoulder shooting stroke and he wasn't a very good shooter from deep until late in his pro career if I'm not mistaken. I think Tony's shot is much smoother and with a much nicer, higher arc than Perk.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
2/15/2016 3:32 PM
That could be. I'm 31, so I don't even remember him before his Lakers days. I often forget he was a Maverick.

Looking at his numbers, you're right on. He was horrific from long range before 1993...and he magically seemed to find his shot from that point forward.

Dang. Now I want a really good writer to track down Sam Perkins and figure out what happened in 1993 to make him go from a 17 percent 3-point shooter to a 46 percenter.

I'm guessing the answer is Shawn Kemp and Gary Payton.
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PhiTau74
2/15/2016 4:20 PM
Is Tony 6'8" or 6'10" as the web site says? Reggie Rankin on ESPN during both games said 6'8".
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RSBobcat
2/15/2016 9:36 PM
PhiTau74 wrote:expand_more
Is Tony 6'8" or 6'10" as the web site says? Reggie Rankin on ESPN during both games said 6'8".
Closer to 6'10" than 6'8"
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Alan Swank
2/15/2016 9:48 PM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Is Tony 6'8" or 6'10" as the web site says? Reggie Rankin on ESPN during both games said 6'8".
Closer to 6'10" than 6'8"
If he's 6'10" I'm 6'7". I'm not.
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Pataskala
2/15/2016 10:02 PM
I don't recall Ohio having someone as formidable underneath as Tony. Can't recall anyone so confident as he is right now. He gets the ball inside and holds it out one-handed, just sort of daring anyone to take it away from him. Then he'll either bang in close, do a soft hook or hit an easy jumper. I didn't see Trent that much 'cause I was in DC, but what I recall of Trent was he would bang and finesse in a very workman-like manner. Tony's getting this swagger about him that we haven't seen from our bigs.

I've been comparing the DJ Ohio team to this one in my mind. We used more ball screens and just a few passes with DJ; he would direct traffic and make a quick pass to the shooter. This team has more passing in-and-out and around the perimeter. The offense now starts more inside than it did then.
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RSBobcat
2/15/2016 10:31 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Is Tony 6'8" or 6'10" as the web site says? Reggie Rankin on ESPN during both games said 6'8".
Closer to 6'10" than 6'8"
If he's 6'10" I'm 6'7". I'm not.
If he is 6'9.1" then what are you? :)

He is definitely closer to 6'10" than 6'8". What do you think Wadley is? KK?
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RSBobcat
2/15/2016 10:33 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
I didn't see Trent that much 'cause I was in DC, but what I recall of Trent was he would bang and finesse in a very workman-like manner.
It was all BANG - and no one could to stop it
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Monroe Slavin
2/16/2016 2:41 AM
This is a distant memory and it may be way off...but TC seems to have great hands and to get splendid position.

Trent got position. But even if he didn't, he was so powerful and quick that he couldn't be stopped.
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Monroe Slavin
2/16/2016 2:41 AM
A lot of quotes from Trent as a mentor to Dirk Nowitzki in this week's fine, long article on Nowitzki.
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GoCats105
2/16/2016 7:31 AM
Per John Hollinger on ESPN, Tony is #4 in the country in PER at 32.71.

To understand the meaning of the numbers or for comparison sakes, Steph Curry is currently on pace to break the single season NBA record for PER at 32.18. Wilt Chamberlain in 1962-63 was 31.82.

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/hollinger/statistics

That. Is. Crazy.
Last Edited: 2/16/2016 7:31:38 AM by GoCats105
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C Money
2/16/2016 9:40 PM
With at least 6 games to go, if Tony can maintain his scoring average he should crack the single season top ten in Ohio history. He's at 473 through 26 games. Nick Kellogg sits at #10 with 573 in 2013-14.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ohio/sports/m-baskbl/...
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cc-cat
3/4/2016 9:55 PM
C Money wrote:expand_more
With at least 6 games to go, if Tony can maintain his scoring average he should crack the single season top ten in Ohio history. He's at 473 through 26 games. Nick Kellogg sits at #10 with 573 in 2013-14.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ohio/sports/m-baskbl/...
POY = any doubt?
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C Money
3/4/2016 10:25 PM
cc-cat wrote:expand_more
With at least 6 games to go, if Tony can maintain his scoring average he should crack the single season top ten in Ohio history. He's at 473 through 26 games. Nick Kellogg sits at #10 with 573 in 2013-14.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ohio/sports/m-baskbl/...
POY = any doubt?
You know what? I did the math wrong on that initially. I counted Tony's 33 point game twice, so he was only at 440 at that point. He's at 525 right now heading into the tourney.
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GroverBall
3/7/2016 8:01 AM
According to stats at ohiobobcats.com Tony just cracked the double-double season average with his 13 boards at Fiami. Now at 17.5 pts and 10.0 rebounds.
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Casper71
3/7/2016 9:54 AM
TC has really developed into a nice player. He has great hands, a soft touch from three and is a finesse player in the post.

To compare him to Trent is unfair. Trent was POWER personified. Trent had quick feet and got off the floor (probably had as many dunks in a number of games as TC does for a career). His mid range jumper off the dribble was much better than TC but his 3 shot was never developed (didn't need to).

All-in-all, I saw Trent play and I have seen TC play. TC, while a nice MAC player, is not a Trent but he will have a great overseas career.

I continue to say that it is obvious Trent worked in the weight room and developed an "NBA body" while at OHIO. If TC wanted a shot at the NBA, he would have to develop the physical/athletic side. Have you seen how huge and athletic most all the 3-4-5 guys are nowadays. In the NBA, size and strength matter more than ever.
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bshot44
3/7/2016 11:04 AM
Trent also never disappeared in games. How many times have we seen AC just be a non-factor? Just in the last few weeks, UB and Akron both neutralized him offensively.

I'm not sure Trent was held under double-digits in any game (tried to find old box scores, but internet search came up empty.) He was a monster no matter how many guys he had guarding him. Double-teams...triple-teams....he still found a way to score.

Trent is part a pretty impressive list of guys with 2000 career pts and 1000 career rebs....and he did it in three years. (Brandon Hunter is also on that list)

AC won't even come close to sniffing that list. Not that that makes him a bad player....just puts into perspective how good Trent was (and how solid Hunter was too)

I think AC can be really, really good player....and one of the best to wear the green-and-white. He's just missing that killer instinct sometimes. If he plays up to his potential next year, 20/12 per game is not out of the question. He has potential to do special things his senior year.

We haven't had a MAC POY since Trent.....so if AC wins that this week, he has a really good chance to go back-to-back. He has the skill set....just want to see that fire he seems to be lacking sometimes.
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OUVan
3/7/2016 11:34 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
We haven't had a MAC POY since Trent
Ummm, D.J. won it in 2014. Leon Williams should have won it but that's a different story for a different time.

And I completely disagree with you about Campbell and his fire. Even though he didn't score a lot in the Buffalo and Akron games he still played the rest of the game well. He got double digit rebounds in both games and their strategy only stopped Campbell and not the rest of the team. We still beat Buffalo and lost to Akron because we allowed them to hit 20 threes on us.
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Jeff McKinney
3/7/2016 11:49 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
We haven't had a MAC POY since Trent
Ummm, D.J. won it in 2014. Leon Williams should have won it but that's a different story for a different time.

And I completely disagree with you about Campbell and his fire. Even though he didn't score a lot in the Buffalo and Akron games he still played the rest of the game well. He got double digit rebounds in both games and their strategy only stopped Campbell and not the rest of the team. We still beat Buffalo and lost to Akron because we allowed them to hit 20 threes on us.
I lean in Van's direction on this.
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bshot44
3/7/2016 11:49 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
We haven't had a MAC POY since Trent
Ummm, D.J. won it in 2014. Leon Williams should have won it but that's a different story for a different time.

And I completely disagree with you about Campbell and his fire. Even though he didn't score a lot in the Buffalo and Akron games he still played the rest of the game well. He got double digit rebounds in both games and their strategy only stopped Campbell and not the rest of the team. We still beat Buffalo and lost to Akron because we allowed them to hit 20 threes on us.
Totally skimmed past Cooper in 2014. My bad.

Ohio had a stretch in late 80's-mid 90's where they had MAC POY 6 out of 7 years. Wow.

Anyhow....AC didn't have double figure rebounds vs. UB (6 pts, 9 rebs). He's had a few other games like that (loss at NIU 5 pts, 3 rebs....win vs. NIU 11 pts, 7 rebs...vs. BG 13 pts, 3 rebs)

My point was he has these moments where he looks disengaged.....and whether that's a team taking him out of the game or whatever it is, he has them.

Doesn't mean he's not MAC POY.....

My point is if he can erase those type of performances, there's no telling how good he could be next season.

I don't remember ever seeing Trent put up 5/3 in a game.
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