No doubt he's having a great season, but a more complete player than Shaq of the MAC? Eh I don't know about that. I consider both to be big men. TC is up there though for sure!

I didn't say best FC player I said complete player. Trent was 23% in 3pt shooting and 64% at the line his Junior year. Hunter was 37% 3pt and 60% in FT shooting. No big man at Ohio has done 42% from 3 and 77% from the line in the same season before.

I really love the way Antonio Campbell is progressing. If he continues along the path he is on, which has to be combined with Ohio being at or near the top of the MAC standings, he may have a chance to become a two-time MAC Player of the Year. The construction of the team is great for a post player, with Simmons' ability to deliver the ball anytime and anywhere, along with several three-point shooters you just can't afford to leave alone. And as we are seeing, Big Tone is eating everyone's lunch when left to play mano a mano. It's reaching the point where I'm actually surprised when he misses a shot down low!

That said, as for the most complete big man question, playing for Danny Nee in 1983-84, John Dereveaux was named MAC Player of the Year after averaging 18.7 points, 10.3 rebounds, 2.6 blocks, shooting 55 percent from the floor and 80 percent from the foul line. Don't know if John could have shot the trey because it didn't exist until 1986, but he did have a nice midrange jumper. John had a quality inside and outside game, was mobile on the floor and was a terrific shot blocker.

As for Gary Trent, his ability to overpower and explode over people down low and rebound in high volumes puts him in a class by himself. I'm confident the Shaq of the MAC kept many a coach up long hours trying to figure out how to keep him from fouling out their frontline and these coaches probably had nightmares of Gary when they fell asleep. I was at a game in the Convo in which it almost was comical how many fouls Gary drew against Bowling Green in scoring 46.

Sigh...All he said was he might be the most COMPLETE big man. Gary Trent was the best, absolute dominance, but he wasn't a complete player. He only made 17 three pointers in his entire career.

3 of 3 years played MAC POY is not "complete" enough?

whatever.

If you don't like opinions and reasonable responses to reasonable interp of what others post...whatever.

Why don't we all submit our posts to you for your approval.

I want you guys to quit arguin' ..

The word "ever" was used in the original post - might as well just asked for opposing or differing opinions.

I enjoy comparing Trent with any MAC player - Any position - "Ever"......

Agree with Flashgary's comparison with John Devereaux. John's game improved significantly each season (he hadn't played that much ball before coming to Ohio) and I thought by his senior year he was one of the better big men in the country. Of course, it was a different game then. But if Big Tone continues to improve, he'll have an opportunity for a long professional career, overseas at least, same as Devereaux.

Agreed, and I think he would have been able to hit the three because one of his best shots was the jumper from about three feet behind the free throw line. Not that big of a leap to think he would have been successful taking a step or two back from there.

A complete player also plays D.

Great stuff, FlashGary. It was 1983, actually, that Ohio beat Illinois St. on a last-second, off-balance shot by the late Robert Tatum, and then fell to Kentucky and the twin towers in the second round.

If memory serves, Ohio played Kansas and their own twin towers (I believe it was Greg Dreiling and Danny Manning) in South Bend, IN., in the first round of the 1984 NCAA tourney.

Nee once said that his one regret as Ohio coach was not redshirting Devereaux as a frosh.