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OUVan
3/12/2016 1:37 PM
How embarrassing for the league that the finals has two coaches who were high school coaches before they got their current gigs. How pitiful is this conference that you can just step off the high school sideline into the championship game.


Now back to the real world. Anybody that was embarrassed by our showing in Cleveland needs to find a new outlet because this clearly isn't for you. You obviously don't get it.

Here is what I saw. We missed shots we normally make and a bad shooting team shot lights out (some of that was our fault but some of that was just them being in the zone). Their high school coach put together a very good defensive game plan against us by making us beat them off the dribble, which we don't do very well. It was frustrating to watch at times but I don't see how you could be anything but proud of the way the team came along this year. We are a much better team today than we were two months ago. We are a young team that will return just about everybody. We will be better next year and we might be really good. The groundwork has been laid.
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Cbus Convo
3/12/2016 11:15 PM
Last Edited: 3/12/2016 11:22:29 PM by Cbus Convo
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oldkatz
3/13/2016 11:47 AM
Cbus Convo wrote:expand_more
Not sure what you saw vs what I saw; that was an embarassment. We lost to a team that was coached by a guy that was coaching a high school team 4 years ago. And we're OK with this? This is unacceptable.
you were embarassed? really? By a bunch of kids that had no lack of effort while wearing the OHIO jersey? By a coach so invested he walked away from the interview with a tear in his eye? That is unacceptable? I did not see anyone give up or not care. I did not see behaviour unbecoming. SO what is it that embarasses? Oats did a great job with the scout. The Buff preparation was spot on. The Bulls responded with good D, made shots, really good ball movement, rebounding, getting out in transition and played exceptionally well peaking at the right time. Against a team that is cobbled up from previous coaches and styles? With obvious personnel holes and deficits, learning a new system. No CLue why that was an unacceptable embarassment. ....HS or not the guy had a pretty good grasp of the game and how to plan for it. I don't care where a guy was 4 years ago...when I heard his breakdown and plan I had respect for his ability. That you choose to equate previous coaching experience with an unacceptable ascension to beating us is beyond comprehension. Groce was HS freshman coach when he started. So waht? This guy jumped in when Hurley left and made the most of an opportunity. Sorry for you...Coach and the players are the ones who should be embarassed and deserve better treatment by fans. "Unacceptable" is this analysis of what was going on tonite.
I guess what it comes down to is that I measure results, not effort. I recall Timmy O'Shea's teams playing their hearts out. I also notice he doesn't get a pass for that on this board. Other than that, you pretty much made my argument for me, what with all the headwinds Buffalo faced and that they still managed to take us to the woodshed.
Wow! Fewer than 30 posts AND a Timmy fan? Jeesh!
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bornacatfan
3/13/2016 12:44 PM
Ha ha that HS coach just won the MAC over the longest standing and multiple COY MAC coach.

I don't care if he was working as a garbage collector with Larry Bird in the past. The man has a great roster that Hurley left him and IMHO a better basketball mind than Hurley (with no Dookie affectations)

That HS coach has an excellent pedigree. Running a HS program at Detroit Romulus,( http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2015/04/1... / ) winning a few games in 11 yrs and the 2013 1A state championship. More importantly he ran the program like a college program mentoring and putting a ton of guys into D1 and college spots in those years with his development programs. http://basketball.realgm.com/highschool/teams/1186/Romulu... / from 2003 to his leaving in 2013. There is talent out there in many walks of life. Brad Stevens was working at Eli Lilly and has a great story on applying to a D3 school and getting rejected as unqualified a day before he got the head job at Butler http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-vertical-podcast-with-ch... It really does not matter where you come from ....it is all about timing and coaching chops.
Last Edited: 3/13/2016 1:28:49 PM by bornacatfan
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perimeterpost
3/13/2016 1:17 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Ha ha that HS coach just won the MAC over the longest standing and multiple COY MAC coach.

I don't care if he was working as a garbage collector with Larry Bird in the past. The man has a great roster that Hurley left him and IMHO a better basketball mind than Hurley (with no Dookie affectations)
And how much credit should Hurley get for that roster, really? Oats had to add several players this summer and as Hurley's assistant was likely heavily involved in recruiting several others. Skeete was a Witherspoon recruit.
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Monroe Slavin
3/13/2016 1:23 PM
Judge by pre-conceived notion or by what's there to see in actual/achieved game performance?

There on those on this board who won't accept that a coach or player may not be as they thought. So we get the silly bias that one who was recently a high school coach could not possibly be much of a college coach.

Does a solid high school record mean someone will be a good college coach? Absolutely not.

But if that former high school coach is proving to be a good college coach, then how can you possibly argue that he's not a good college coach?


See the actual. Understand the actual.
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bornacatfan
3/13/2016 1:53 PM
perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
And how much credit should Hurley get for that roster, really? Oats had to add several players this summer and as Hurley's assistant was likely heavily involved in recruiting several others. Skeete was a Witherspoon recruit.
that's a fair assessment. On par to giving TOS credit for leaving Tillman, Devo, Mo, Bubba, Orr.Tommy and KVK for Groce. The assts were responsible for finding and convincing/coercing TOS to take those guys. Oats was in that spot and Rac, the Wisco kid and a few others were certainly part of Oats additions that came when Hurley left...but I think a lot of the legwork being done on a few of them happened with his name attached to the program. Following back through the UB board and the recruiting threads is kind of fascinating to follow the assembly of the team. Built in a certain fashion and should be competitive for a while. Even more sobering is the fact Wiggington is a Sr.
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Steve
3/13/2016 3:17 PM
The only unacceptable part of this thread is two certain posts. 10-20 to 21-11. Get a clue.
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Andrew Ruck
3/14/2016 8:35 AM
It was (and continues to be) an awesome season, the most enjoyable since 2013 and we're heading in the right direction. I equate it to my Cubs, who came out of an excruciating rebuild to surprise some people and contend, and come back the next year as the favorites. Times are good, Go Bobcats.
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