Yep...not saying it's right that he gets fired.
Unfortunately, the national perception of this program is not good...not good at all. Someone will have to take the fall.

I wouldn't be surprised if you are right, Fear Leon. But, I don't really believe it's right.

I think it's strange that he really didn't have this kind of problem at OHIO. There was the AB incident, which was probably the worst, but it was a fight with another man and it was, according to some reports, instigated by the bouncer who was said to have "had it in for athletics." AB was certainly a knucklehead, and I'm not excusing his behavior. It's just that the knuckleheads he has at Illinois seem to give your garden variety knucklehead a bad name, assuming there is general truth in these news stories, which I have little reason to doubt.

From the most recent posted link:

"URBANA — University of Illinois basketball player Kendrick Nunn has been charged with domestic battery for allegedly striking a woman in her apartment Wednesday evening.

"Champaign police arrested the junior guard at 5:10 p.m. Thursday after a judge issued a warrant earlier in the day on the misdemeanor charges. Nunn turned himself in.

"First Assistant State’s Attorney Steve Ziegler said Champaign police were called to the apartment of the alleged victim in the 500 block of South Second Street, Champaign, about 5:15 p.m. Wednesday.

"Ziegler said some time later, the woman called the police and said that she and Nunn do indeed have a relationship and that something had happened. Officers returned to her apartment.

“She said they were arguing about their relationship and whether or not she owed him money and at some point he did push her and strike her in the back of the head. During the physical part of the altercation is when Champaign police showed up,” Ziegler said.

"Ziegler said police reported seeing red marks on her neck and shoulder. They took photos.

"The information was taken to the state’s attorney’s office Thursday and Judge John Kennedy issued a warrant for Nunn’s arrest with a $5,000 bond. . . .

"Darius Paul was arrested in August in France during the team’s foreign tour, Leron Black was arrested and charged with a felony for allegedly brandishing a knife outside an Urbana night club in February and Tate was arrested last week for misdemeanor domestic battery. The alleged victim in Tate’s case told his attorney he didn’t do it but the charges remain on file against him. . . .

"The woman who was allegedly battered by Nunn is not the mother of his newborn."

that's funny... And Naive...as long as those skeletons stay in the closet...best to let them stay.

Leadership requires trust and buy-in from the individuals. Once you establish that trust you can begin to influence their perceptions. Change their perceptions and you can gain their commitment and effect their decisions which will ultimately result in changing their behavior. Once you can effect their behavior you can establish the culture that is so elusive to many.

It sounds like coach is having some trouble at step 1 gaining the trust and buy-in from his players.

Knuckleheads will be knuckleheads for sure, but to me you either need to recognize that and NOT recruit those people (maybe he's getting too much pressure to get a certain type/caliber of player - chicago kids etc) or put in the work to gain their trust and effect positive change in their life so they AREN'T knuckleheads. Saying "well they're knuckleheads" isn't really acceptable IMO.

The Illinois fan blog seems to think that they can fire Groce and then pry Greg Marshall away from Wichita State. As if he would be excited to coach tha t dumpster fire of a program.

Makes you wonder. If we had it then and didn't hear about it, do we have it now?

We talked about AB earlier in the thread. He's implying that there was much more that never came to light and that what happened at OHIO was similar to what's come to light at Illinois. If true, even at this late date, it needs to be exposed. "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

+1

I will agree with you that this is a story in CU in general as the fanbase is focusing back on OHIO days. This does not mean a muckraking young reporter trying to make a name should go flipping stones to make stories where none exist and any one who might have had a few too many parking tix or other situations in Athens should be subjected to interrogation about a college situation almost a decade old. There are numbers of folks already digging up old stories. THey have already documented Stevie and Jay Kinney.