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ts1227
3/18/2016 9:15 PM
Also, I believe ticket sales alone covered a decent chunk of the money spent to host (the entire first deck was $15 apiece, even if only 2,000 tix were sold you're almost there on covering it)
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OUVan
3/18/2016 10:02 PM
Bobcats open as 10 point favorites.
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Pataskala
3/18/2016 11:12 PM
They're not a good road team at all -- just 3-14 in true road games this year (one was at cross-town rival NC A&T. Of course some of the losses were at the likes of UNC, NC St and Wake, and they did have an impressive late-season win at Chattanooga. And they won their last five regular season games before losing in the quarterfinals of the conference tourney.
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Jeff McKinney
3/18/2016 11:28 PM
Ohio just needs to come to play and take care of business in this game. This is a game we should win, but is not a lock by any stretch.
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perimeterpost
3/19/2016 12:57 AM
just took a look at their message board and saw this post

[quote]Decided a few minutes ago to try to find out a little about the Ohio University basketball team. Found out that 4 of their players have transferred to Ohio from fairly large Division I programs. More interesting, however, is that their two leading scorers are majoring in something called "Pre-specialized Studies." Digging a little deeper, I encountered the following description of "Pre-specialized Studies" on the Ohio University website:

"The Prespecialized Studies program designates students who intend to declare the Bachelor of Specialized Studies program major code (BS1112) , but who have not yet satisfied the admissions requirements. The Bachelor of Specialized Studies program affords undergraduate students at Ohio University the opportunity to design a degree program that is uniquely their own. Students work with faculty and staff to create an area of concentration, which stands as the equivalent of an established major. The program permits you to combine available curricula to create a unique field of study."

Doesn't sound like these two players, in particular, are exactly "Rocket Scientists." Maybe UNC isn't the only university in need of NCAA guidance.[/OUTER_QUOTE]

when did we get 4 high major transfers? and I don't appreciate this tool slandering our academics either based on wildly inaccurate assumptions. I hope we crush them by 50pts.
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Alan Swank
3/19/2016 1:10 AM
perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
just took a look at their message board and saw this post

Decided a few minutes ago to try to find out a little about the Ohio University basketball team. Found out that 4 of their players have transferred to Ohio from fairly large Division I programs. More interesting, however, is that their two leading scorers are majoring in something called "Pre-specialized Studies." Digging a little deeper, I encountered the following description of "Pre-specialized Studies" on the Ohio University website:

"The Prespecialized Studies program designates students who intend to declare the Bachelor of Specialized Studies program major code (BS1112) , but who have not yet satisfied the admissions requirements. The Bachelor of Specialized Studies program affords undergraduate students at Ohio University the opportunity to design a degree program that is uniquely their own. Students work with faculty and staff to create an area of concentration, which stands as the equivalent of an established major. The program permits you to combine available curricula to create a unique field of study."

Doesn't sound like these two players, in particular, are exactly "Rocket Scientists." Maybe UNC isn't the only university in need of NCAA guidance.


when did we get 4 high major transfers? and I don't appreciate this tool slandering our academics either based on wildly inaccurate assumptions. I hope we crush them by 50pts.
He didn't say high major - he said fairly large. I would contend that SIU, Houston, and Michigan State are fairly large although I'm not sure where he got four. And yes, specialized studies is a bit of a head scratcher.
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Alan Swank
3/19/2016 1:12 AM
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Alan, my understanding is that the athletic dept is still receiving payment units for our recent NCAA wins. Does that affect your view on whether this CBI is worthwhile?
Nope. I don't care where the money comes from, this tournament is a waste of money. Those payment units could be used for something much more worthwhile. Just because someone gives you some money doesn't mean you have to spend it. I couldn't even find the score of our game Wednesday night in two different papers on Thursday.
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The Optimist
3/19/2016 1:34 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Alan, my understanding is that the athletic dept is still receiving payment units for our recent NCAA wins. Does that affect your view on whether this CBI is worthwhile?

I couldn't even find the score of our game Wednesday night in two different papers on Thursday.
I was able to locate the score on both Google and Bing. And Facebook. And Twitter.

Maybe the issue here is your use of obsolete communication mediums?
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Taiwan BC
3/19/2016 3:13 AM
Since it came up, I thought I would let those who were interested know a bit more about the Specialized Studies degree. I will admit that I am not aware of any changes to the program since I left, but I will share my experience from +20 years ago.

As my college career was coming to a close and with me having no particular interest in the traditional majors provided by the university, I was thankful that there was a program available that would allow me to "create" my own. I was able to write a justification and then list the classes that I had already taken as well as the classes I planned to take. I then submitted it for approval and, as you can guess, the rest is history.

While I do believe in the benefit of traditional programs with straight and clear paths to the desired degrees and job opportunities students seek, I also believe that having the ability to create non-traditional degrees is important as well. Flexibility for both the students and university to adapt to the ever quickening changes and demands that present themselves to the world at large is paramount. (Insert Bcat2's John F. Kennedy quote about change here.)

Hope that sheds some light on the subject of Specialized Studies and as always, GO BOBCATS!
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OUVan
3/19/2016 7:59 AM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
They're not a good road team at all -- just 3-14 in true road games this year (one was at cross-town rival NC A&T. Of course some of the losses were at the likes of UNC, NC St and Wake, and they did have an impressive late-season win at Chattanooga. And they won their last five regular season games before losing in the quarterfinals of the conference tourney.
Two of those last five games were road victories. It wasn't too long ago that we were a terrible road team. Then all of a sudden we weren't. Hopefully we come into this game focused because if we aren't and they are we could very well lose this one.
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Gallia Cat
3/19/2016 9:27 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Alan, my understanding is that the athletic dept is still receiving payment units for our recent NCAA wins. Does that affect your view on whether this CBI is worthwhile?
Nope. I don't care where the money comes from, this tournament is a waste of money. Those payment units could be used for something much more worthwhile. Just because someone gives you some money doesn't mean you have to spend it. I couldn't even find the score of our game Wednesday night in two different papers on Thursday.

Then I assume you are against Ohio buying home games in December instead of doing home and homes with every school? So when Ohio pays Marietta to come to the Convo that is a waste of money because we are just buying a home game correct? So you feel Ohio should instead just schedule a return trip to Marietta? Or when we pay Cal State whomever to come here we should just do a return trip because we all know that would cost nothing correct? Technically it's the same thing correct? Participating in the CBI is just another way of buying a couple of home games. I would ask if that would change your view but we all know the answer to that question. And yes I will get off your lawn. As for not finding the score in 2 different news papers? I almost couldn't stop laughing! Just check your ESPN App and it was updated immediately.

I'm guessing you won't be in attendance Monday.
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Roasting Joe
3/19/2016 9:41 AM
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Just speaking for myself here but......

I will cheer for Ohio University in anything it competes in, with gusto.

I don't care if it is tiddlywinks against Muskingum University in a hotel lobby.

Sure, I would much prefer to see us in the NCAAs or even the NIT but as long as our team is suiting up to play games, I am going to care and cheer, regardless of the level.
I'm with you, Go Ohio!
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Roasting Joe
3/19/2016 9:53 AM
ts1227 wrote:expand_more
Also, I believe ticket sales alone covered a decent chunk of the money spent to host (the entire first deck was $15 apiece, even if only 2,000 tix were sold you're almost there on covering it)

I agree, we had over 3000 in the seats on Wednesday. Is there also a potential for a share of TV money for making the final 4 (ESPNU?)
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71 BOBCAT
3/19/2016 10:06 AM
Maybe we should put a call into Larry Hunter as WC played this team twice this year?






GO BOBCATS
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Danny's Knee
3/19/2016 10:15 AM
I've also been using the interweb for scores and updates .. this interweb thing is fun .. you can find anything on here ..

BANG !! .. Oh BABY what a BIG TIME concept !!
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Alan Swank
3/19/2016 10:28 AM
Gallia Cat wrote:expand_more
Alan, my understanding is that the athletic dept is still receiving payment units for our recent NCAA wins. Does that affect your view on whether this CBI is worthwhile?
Nope. I don't care where the money comes from, this tournament is a waste of money. Those payment units could be used for something much more worthwhile. Just because someone gives you some money doesn't mean you have to spend it. I couldn't even find the score of our game Wednesday night in two different papers on Thursday.

Then I assume you are against Ohio buying home games in December instead of doing home and homes with every school? So when Ohio pays Marietta to come to the Convo that is a waste of money because we are just buying a home game correct? So you feel Ohio should instead just schedule a return trip to Marietta? Or when we pay Cal State whomever to come here we should just do a return trip because we all know that would cost nothing correct? Technically it's the same thing correct? Participating in the CBI is just another way of buying a couple of home games. I would ask if that would change your view but we all know the answer to that question. And yes I will get off your lawn. As for not finding the score in 2 different news papers? I almost couldn't stop laughing! Just check your ESPN App and it was updated immediately.

I'm guessing you won't be in attendance Monday.
When I went down to breakfast Thursday morning in NY, I picked up the USA today and NY Times to read and check the score. No score and my phone was up in my room (some of us don't wear one as a fifth appendage). Those regular season games you mentioned actually mean something - they contribute to a record that hopefully gets you seeding in the NCAA or NIT, two meaningful tournaments. This is nothing more than a basketball version of a meaningless lower level bowl game. It makes money for some third party entity. Unfortunately many folks fall into the trap of assigning it meaning and I can guarantee you that if we win the darn thing, we will hang a banner and lots of people will list in some vague way on their resume or in a press release for ticket selling purposes next year.

Take the money for this and put it into the women's locker room improvement fund.
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The Optimist
3/19/2016 11:04 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Alan, my understanding is that the athletic dept is still receiving payment units for our recent NCAA wins. Does that affect your view on whether this CBI is worthwhile?
Nope. I don't care where the money comes from, this tournament is a waste of money. Those payment units could be used for something much more worthwhile. Just because someone gives you some money doesn't mean you have to spend it. I couldn't even find the score of our game Wednesday night in two different papers on Thursday.

Then I assume you are against Ohio buying home games in December instead of doing home and homes with every school? So when Ohio pays Marietta to come to the Convo that is a waste of money because we are just buying a home game correct? So you feel Ohio should instead just schedule a return trip to Marietta? Or when we pay Cal State whomever to come here we should just do a return trip because we all know that would cost nothing correct? Technically it's the same thing correct? Participating in the CBI is just another way of buying a couple of home games. I would ask if that would change your view but we all know the answer to that question. And yes I will get off your lawn. As for not finding the score in 2 different news papers? I almost couldn't stop laughing! Just check your ESPN App and it was updated immediately.

I'm guessing you won't be in attendance Monday.
When I went down to breakfast Thursday morning in NY, I picked up the USA today and NY Times to read and check the score. No score and my phone was up in my room (some of us don't wear one as a fifth appendage). Those regular season games you mentioned actually mean something - they contribute to a record that hopefully gets you seeding in the NCAA or NIT, two meaningful tournaments. This is nothing more than a basketball version of a meaningless lower level bowl game. It makes money for some third party entity. Unfortunately many folks fall into the trap of assigning it meaning and I can guarantee you that if we win the darn thing, we will hang a banner and lots of people will list in some vague way on their resume or in a press release for ticket selling purposes next year.

Take the money for this and put it into the women's locker room improvement fund.
Do you see any value in the additional playing experience underclassman receive?

Similar to participating in a month of extra practice for bowl games, but better as there are multiple games, I view the primary value of the CBI as player and team growth rather than its immediate financial benefits.

If the development that happens for our players here helps us achieve success in the "meaningful" tournaments in the future, will you concede this tournament had value for Ohio?
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Alan Swank
3/19/2016 11:27 AM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
Alan, my understanding is that the athletic dept is still receiving payment units for our recent NCAA wins. Does that affect your view on whether this CBI is worthwhile?
Nope. I don't care where the money comes from, this tournament is a waste of money. Those payment units could be used for something much more worthwhile. Just because someone gives you some money doesn't mean you have to spend it. I couldn't even find the score of our game Wednesday night in two different papers on Thursday.

Then I assume you are against Ohio buying home games in December instead of doing home and homes with every school? So when Ohio pays Marietta to come to the Convo that is a waste of money because we are just buying a home game correct? So you feel Ohio should instead just schedule a return trip to Marietta? Or when we pay Cal State whomever to come here we should just do a return trip because we all know that would cost nothing correct? Technically it's the same thing correct? Participating in the CBI is just another way of buying a couple of home games. I would ask if that would change your view but we all know the answer to that question. And yes I will get off your lawn. As for not finding the score in 2 different news papers? I almost couldn't stop laughing! Just check your ESPN App and it was updated immediately.

I'm guessing you won't be in attendance Monday.
When I went down to breakfast Thursday morning in NY, I picked up the USA today and NY Times to read and check the score. No score and my phone was up in my room (some of us don't wear one as a fifth appendage). Those regular season games you mentioned actually mean something - they contribute to a record that hopefully gets you seeding in the NCAA or NIT, two meaningful tournaments. This is nothing more than a basketball version of a meaningless lower level bowl game. It makes money for some third party entity. Unfortunately many folks fall into the trap of assigning it meaning and I can guarantee you that if we win the darn thing, we will hang a banner and lots of people will list in some vague way on their resume or in a press release for ticket selling purposes next year.

Take the money for this and put it into the women's locker room improvement fund.
Do you see any value in the additional playing experience underclassman receive?

Similar to participating in a month of extra practice for bowl games, but better as there are multiple games, I view the primary value of the CBI as player and team growth rather than its immediate financial benefits.

If the development that happens for our players here helps us achieve success in the "meaningful" tournaments in the future, will you concede this tournament had value for Ohio?
As giacomo posted on here earlier, send the kids home. The long season is over and it's time to move on so the answer to your first point is no. Second, at our level, there is no month of extra practices for a bowl game. What they do have are 10 or so practices dedicated to a once in a lifetime meeting of a specific opponent. So based on these two statements the "if" in number three doesn't exist.

The first time someone sustains a serious injury in one of these meaningless games due to season fitigue, I think the tenor of this conversation will turn 180 degrees. I will concede if I was 18 - 22 and on the team, I would enjoy playing though if I was one of the 8 guys who gets to play. If I was player 9 through 14, the bench just got longer and harder.
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Gallia Cat
3/19/2016 12:06 PM
And some people are stuck in the past checking a newspaper for their scores! There's a big new electronic world out there. Your just looking for something to complain about with this one but then again what's new. As for December buy games not all of them count. The games vs Marietta, Ohio Dominican, etc don't actually count so I am assuming you do have a problem with those? If the money is in the budget then go for it.
Last Edited: 3/19/2016 12:21:21 PM by Gallia Cat
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Monroe Slavin
3/19/2016 12:10 PM
I don't necessarily agree with Alan but i don't think that he's complaining just to be complaining. That's an unfair charge. I find his arguments here to be reasonable.





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Alan Swank
3/19/2016 12:22 PM
Gallia Cat wrote:expand_more
And some people are stuck in the past checking a newspaper for their scores! There's a big new electronic world out there. Your just looking for something to complain about with this one but then again what's new. If the money is in the budget then go for it.
Not complaining just stating an opinion. Looks like all of these open seats for Monday's game also state a pretty strong opinion - lack of interest and a recognition of the relative worth and value of this tournament.

http://ev7.evenue.net/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/SEGetEventInfo?t...
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colobobcat66
3/19/2016 1:13 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
And some people are stuck in the past checking a newspaper for their scores! There's a big new electronic world out there. Your just looking for something to complain about with this one but then again what's new. If the money is in the budget then go for it.
Not complaining just stating an opinion. Looks like all of these open seats for Monday's game also state a pretty strong opinion - lack of interest and a recognition of the relative worth and value of this tournament.

http://ev7.evenue.net/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/SEGetEventInfo?t...
If they were truly "meaningless", there would be no one in the stands. Let them play.
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Shawn Sellers
3/19/2016 1:24 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
And some people are stuck in the past checking a newspaper for their scores! There's a big new electronic world out there. Your just looking for something to complain about with this one but then again what's new. If the money is in the budget then go for it.
Not complaining just stating an opinion. Looks like all of these open seats for Monday's game also state a pretty strong opinion - lack of interest and a recognition of the relative worth and value of this tournament.

http://ev7.evenue.net/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/SEGetEventInfo?t...
I have to disagree with this statement. At Wednesday's game, I don't think butts in seats in the non-student sections were much different than most other weekday games. As a season ticket holder in section 3, where I usually see more empty seats on weeknights, I saw many new faces filling in those seats. I like that interested bobcat fans that normally don't get a chance to see the bobcats closer to floor level get that shot.

I would agree however that student interest was lower than normal for a weekday game.
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bornacatfan
3/19/2016 1:30 PM
Nice to observe that folks dug in around 2008 when we played our first CBI are still firmly dug in.

My opinion does not mean squat so I am not going to try to move anyone's from where they were a decade ago as I still find the tourney's useful and part of building a program that hopefully will not have to worry about playing in anything but an NIT or NCAA at some point.

I know Devo, Tommy, Asown and then Nick Ivo DJ Reg and the next group benefitted from the post season one and done atmosphere and losing hit them squarely where it hurt. They learned from that situation and that was why it was written into the contract of the only MAC coach to win a game in the NCAA (or two) in awhile.

Saying those guys are fatigued and injury prone is not stretching the truth but I have also seen what happens when scholar athletes have nothing to do...(only time I ever found myself on a crawl with the team and some BAers)... They have a routine and since 4th grade or so they have been playing. FWIW I thinnk they do better in the classroom and in Athens while they are engaged. They will tell you they do as well.

The money aspect IMHO is part of the deal. Basketball is the same names as they were 30 years ago. Wichita had Sasha Dudovich and now they have Baker. Carolina, Kentucky etc are still there. Only the ones that made a commitment like Gonzaga, Butler, VCU and a few are new names. THey each spent money and nnow the boards at those places reflect a growing expectation from fans and the support in time and money. I know there are some in those fanbases who complain loudly everytime a seat license goes up or the cost of pretzels change and always seem to have an opinion on where it is going or should be going but I have trusted OUr AD and he has done some nice things with regard to vision and direction of resources. The basketball program is in a positive direction from when we first showed up and I hope it will become as dominant a force in this league as I hope it can. I never mind a melange of opinions. They only get tiresome when it comes off as just another complaint. Well thought out ideas are always for the betterment of the U.
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Alan Swank
3/19/2016 1:48 PM
Gallia Cat wrote:expand_more
And some people are stuck in the past checking a newspaper for their scores! There's a big new electronic world out there. Your just looking for something to complain about with this one but then again what's new. As for December buy games not all of them count. The games vs Marietta, Ohio Dominican, etc don't actually count so I am assuming you do have a problem with those? If the money is in the budget then go for it.
Life is not black and white (although if Trump wins a nomination and we have a hot summer, life may be very black and white come late July). Just because I looked for scores Thursday morning in the "hotel paper" (USA Today) and the NY Times, doesn't mean I only look there. My point was that if the tourney was nationally relevant, the scores would have been there like they were for the NIT. As for money in the budget, there are lots of things in the federal budget that are equally misappropriated. And finally it is possible to root for the OU teams playing and at the same time constructively offer criticism of the program. Again, very few things are black and white. Point made, case closed - it's time to get ready for the John Glenn game followed by Yale.
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