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OU_Country
1/9/2017 12:20 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
Agree. Statistically AC has put up really nice numbers, especially in his final couple seasons. But we haven't seen him put this team on his back/shoulders and carry them to a MAC title or NCAA Tourney.

We did see that from: Cooper (number will be up there when/if he graduates) and Trent

Jamerson put up worldly numbers
All-time leading scorer
3-time All-MAC
Avg 31 ppg - 2nd in nation sr. year
4.68 3pt/per game - 4th all-time in NCAA history
And he was a 1st Rd draft choice in the NBA

Walter Luckett (number retired)
10th all-time leading scorer
MAC POY
2nd Rd NBA Draft

NOT RETIRED:

Snoopy Graham
4-time All-MAC
2nd all-time leading scorer
***Graham and Jamerson must've been a helluva show....top two all-time leading scorers on the same team

Brandon Hunter
3-time All-MAC
5th all-time leading scorer
All-time leading rebounder
2nd Rd NBA Draft

I'd say Graham and Hunter have more of an argument to be up there than Campbell right now.

AC would have to score more points this year than last just to crack the Top 10 in school history. He is on pace to crack top 5 in all-time rebounds.

But honestly, statistically he's had a pretty similar career to Leon Williams. No one is arguing Williams should have his number up there...and he led Ohio to NCAA tourney...something AC has yet to do.

Now if he wins another POY...Ohio wins MAC...goes to NCAA Tourney...then I think he has a legit argument.

I think some are just caught up in the moment...but I don't feel like AC has been the "stud" that Cooper, Trent...and to a degree Hunter were during their Ohio careers.
There definitely need to be more numbers up in the rafters, as I mentioned in comment to one of your other posts. You give two great examples of two guys whose numbers should be up there in Graham and Hunter.
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brucecuth
1/9/2017 1:07 PM
Remember, Doug was hurt by missing virtually his entire senior year of high school. He may also have missed the following summer's AAU activities, but the lost HS games and practices were fare more critical to his development. Based on what Saul said during the coaches' caravan stop in Columbus, he likes this kid, likes the way he works. If he continues, I can't see any reason why he won't be a starter at some point in his career. A double-double during his senior year is certainly an achievable goal.
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BillyTheCat
1/9/2017 2:23 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
I think you are missing my point...this has nothing to do with them playing on the floor together. I'm simply comparing Tone as a Sophomore and DT as a sophomore on pure individual talent alone and it's no contest. Tone was ahead of DT at this stage of their careers.
They are completely different players. Taylor doesn't have to be Tony to be a very effective player. He doesn't and never will have Tony's hands but he's a better offensive rebounder than Tony and has the potential to be a better defender. And as I noted in another thread his points and rebounds per minute are almost exactly the same as Tony's sophomore year numbers. And he's going to continue to get better, just like Tony did. I doubt he'll every have the offensive game to be the MAC POY but he's sure got the skill-set to cut down some nets.
It's amazing to me how people on here want Doug to simply "become" Tony. Antonio Campbell is a transformative player who will someday have his number in the rafters. We haven't had many Players of the Year and he may become a 2-time Player of the Year if we can do something as a team. Doug Taylor, right now, is fulfilling EVERYTHING needed of him. Hustle, grit, toughness and quality minutes. Would I like him to have inside moves? Sure. But he lost a whole year of his career and last year was his "work back" year. Look how much he changed his body in one offseason. With Tone's influence he will enter next year a beast...just wait.
I love Tony, but declaring him to "someday have his number in the rafters" right now is a big big stretch. If he suddenly increases his averages this year to 25 and 16 and we get to the Sweet 16 then . . . maybe? You realize how few are up there, right?
Agree. Statistically AC has put up really nice numbers, especially in his final couple seasons. But we haven't seen him put this team on his back/shoulders and carry them to a MAC title or NCAA Tourney.

We did see that from: Cooper (number will be up there when/if he graduates) and Trent

Jamerson put up worldly numbers
All-time leading scorer
3-time All-MAC
Avg 31 ppg - 2nd in nation sr. year
4.68 3pt/per game - 4th all-time in NCAA history
And he was a 1st Rd draft choice in the NBA

Walter Luckett (number retired)
10th all-time leading scorer
MAC POY
2nd Rd NBA Draft

NOT RETIRED:

Snoopy Graham
4-time All-MAC
2nd all-time leading scorer
***Graham and Jamerson must've been a helluva show....top two all-time leading scorers on the same team

Brandon Hunter
3-time All-MAC
5th all-time leading scorer
All-time leading rebounder
2nd Rd NBA Draft

I'd say Graham and Hunter have more of an argument to be up there than Campbell right now.

AC would have to score more points this year than last just to crack the Top 10 in school history. He is on pace to crack top 5 in all-time rebounds.

But honestly, statistically he's had a pretty similar career to Leon Williams. No one is arguing Williams should have his number up there...and he led Ohio to NCAA tourney...something AC has yet to do.

Now if he wins another POY...Ohio wins MAC...goes to NCAA Tourney...then I think he has a legit argument.

I think some are just caught up in the moment...but I don't feel like AC has been the "stud" that Cooper, Trent...and to a degree Hunter were during their Ohio careers.
you seriously do not put Trent up there?
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BillyTheCat
1/9/2017 2:24 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Agree. Statistically AC has put up really nice numbers, especially in his final couple seasons. But we haven't seen him put this team on his back/shoulders and carry them to a MAC title or NCAA Tourney.

We did see that from: Cooper (number will be up there when/if he graduates) and Trent

Jamerson put up worldly numbers
All-time leading scorer
3-time All-MAC
Avg 31 ppg - 2nd in nation sr. year
4.68 3pt/per game - 4th all-time in NCAA history
And he was a 1st Rd draft choice in the NBA

Walter Luckett (number retired)
10th all-time leading scorer
MAC POY
2nd Rd NBA Draft

NOT RETIRED:

Snoopy Graham
4-time All-MAC
2nd all-time leading scorer
***Graham and Jamerson must've been a helluva show....top two all-time leading scorers on the same team

Brandon Hunter
3-time All-MAC
5th all-time leading scorer
All-time leading rebounder
2nd Rd NBA Draft

I'd say Graham and Hunter have more of an argument to be up there than Campbell right now.

AC would have to score more points this year than last just to crack the Top 10 in school history. He is on pace to crack top 5 in all-time rebounds.

But honestly, statistically he's had a pretty similar career to Leon Williams. No one is arguing Williams should have his number up there...and he led Ohio to NCAA tourney...something AC has yet to do.

Now if he wins another POY...Ohio wins MAC...goes to NCAA Tourney...then I think he has a legit argument.

I think some are just caught up in the moment...but I don't feel like AC has been the "stud" that Cooper, Trent...and to a degree Hunter were during their Ohio careers.
There definitely need to be more numbers up in the rafters, as I mentioned in comment to one of your other posts. You give two great examples of two guys whose numbers should be up there in Graham and Hunter.
Give it time, these decisions should not be rushed to be done as soon as someone graduates.
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bshot44
1/9/2017 3:28 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
I think you are missing my point...this has nothing to do with them playing on the floor together. I'm simply comparing Tone as a Sophomore and DT as a sophomore on pure individual talent alone and it's no contest. Tone was ahead of DT at this stage of their careers.
They are completely different players. Taylor doesn't have to be Tony to be a very effective player. He doesn't and never will have Tony's hands but he's a better offensive rebounder than Tony and has the potential to be a better defender. And as I noted in another thread his points and rebounds per minute are almost exactly the same as Tony's sophomore year numbers. And he's going to continue to get better, just like Tony did. I doubt he'll every have the offensive game to be the MAC POY but he's sure got the skill-set to cut down some nets.
It's amazing to me how people on here want Doug to simply "become" Tony. Antonio Campbell is a transformative player who will someday have his number in the rafters. We haven't had many Players of the Year and he may become a 2-time Player of the Year if we can do something as a team. Doug Taylor, right now, is fulfilling EVERYTHING needed of him. Hustle, grit, toughness and quality minutes. Would I like him to have inside moves? Sure. But he lost a whole year of his career and last year was his "work back" year. Look how much he changed his body in one offseason. With Tone's influence he will enter next year a beast...just wait.
I love Tony, but declaring him to "someday have his number in the rafters" right now is a big big stretch. If he suddenly increases his averages this year to 25 and 16 and we get to the Sweet 16 then . . . maybe? You realize how few are up there, right?
Agree. Statistically AC has put up really nice numbers, especially in his final couple seasons. But we haven't seen him put this team on his back/shoulders and carry them to a MAC title or NCAA Tourney.

We did see that from: Cooper (number will be up there when/if he graduates) and Trent

Jamerson put up worldly numbers
All-time leading scorer
3-time All-MAC
Avg 31 ppg - 2nd in nation sr. year
4.68 3pt/per game - 4th all-time in NCAA history
And he was a 1st Rd draft choice in the NBA

Walter Luckett (number retired)
10th all-time leading scorer
MAC POY
2nd Rd NBA Draft

NOT RETIRED:

Snoopy Graham
4-time All-MAC
2nd all-time leading scorer
***Graham and Jamerson must've been a helluva show....top two all-time leading scorers on the same team

Brandon Hunter
3-time All-MAC
5th all-time leading scorer
All-time leading rebounder
2nd Rd NBA Draft

I'd say Graham and Hunter have more of an argument to be up there than Campbell right now.

AC would have to score more points this year than last just to crack the Top 10 in school history. He is on pace to crack top 5 in all-time rebounds.

But honestly, statistically he's had a pretty similar career to Leon Williams. No one is arguing Williams should have his number up there...and he led Ohio to NCAA tourney...something AC has yet to do.

Now if he wins another POY...Ohio wins MAC...goes to NCAA Tourney...then I think he has a legit argument.

I think some are just caught up in the moment...but I don't feel like AC has been the "stud" that Cooper, Trent...and to a degree Hunter were during their Ohio careers.
you seriously do not put Trent up there?
Re-read it. I mentioned Trent and Cooper right off the bat.

Cooper isn't up there because he hasn't graduated to my knowledge. I'm guessing might be same for Graham and Hunter?
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OU_Country
1/9/2017 4:04 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
There definitely need to be more numbers up in the rafters, as I mentioned in comment to one of your other posts. You give two great examples of two guys whose numbers should be up there in Graham and Hunter.
Give it time, these decisions should not be rushed to be done as soon as someone graduates.

I don't disagree with your point, however in the case of Graham and Hunter, they're well past "just graduating", unless of course they didn't officially graduate, or earn their Bachelors.
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GroverBall
1/9/2017 6:08 PM
According to info on the website of his new gig:

"While attending Ohio University he garnered several awards including 1st Team All MAC, All American, and led the nation in rebounding his senior year. Brandon graduated with a Bachelors of Science in Health Services Administration with a minor in Organizational Communications."

http://www.kmgsports.com/?page_id=430
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akroncat
1/9/2017 8:03 PM
I think he graduated the same year as my son. At graduation I remember them call his name.
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OU_Country
1/10/2017 10:46 AM
GroverBall wrote:expand_more
According to info on the website of his new gig:

"While attending Ohio University he garnered several awards including 1st Team All MAC, All American, and led the nation in rebounding his senior year. Brandon graduated with a Bachelors of Science in Health Services Administration with a minor in Organizational Communications."

http://www.kmgsports.com/?page_id=430

And so with that, in my opinion, his name ought to be hanging in the rafters. There are a whole bunch of fans from my era that would love to see it happen.
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allen
1/10/2017 12:27 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
According to info on the website of his new gig:

"While attending Ohio University he garnered several awards including 1st Team All MAC, All American, and led the nation in rebounding his senior year. Brandon graduated with a Bachelors of Science in Health Services Administration with a minor in Organizational Communications."

http://www.kmgsports.com/?page_id=430

And so with that, in my opinion, his name ought to be hanging in the rafters. There are a whole bunch of fans from my era that would love to see it happen.
I agree
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Andrew Ruck
1/11/2017 1:16 PM
My years in Athens coincided with B-Hunt's, so needless to say I love the guy in every way. In my opinion what holds him back is the lackluster performance of his team, routinely disappointing from high expectations. The Bobcats were a mere 70-58 during Brandon's tenure with 0 postseason appearances. Making matters worse, the Bobcats got progressively worse each year of his career, finishing with a very disappointing 14-20 his senior season.

I'm not saying any of that is his fault, but it holds down his legend status. If he had a championship or 2, it would be a no brainer.
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OU_Country
1/11/2017 2:56 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
My years in Athens coincided with B-Hunt's, so needless to say I love the guy in every way. In my opinion what holds him back is the lackluster performance of his team, routinely disappointing from high expectations. The Bobcats were a mere 70-58 during Brandon's tenure with 0 postseason appearances. Making matters worse, the Bobcats got progressively worse each year of his career, finishing with a very disappointing 14-20 his senior season.

I'm not saying any of that is his fault, but it holds down his legend status. If he had a championship or 2, it would be a no brainer.

The lack of a credible point guard was a big factor for those teams.
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OUVan
1/11/2017 3:02 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
The lack of a credible point guard was a big factor for those teams.
Zach Kiekow not credible enough for you?
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OU_Country
1/11/2017 3:31 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
The lack of a credible point guard was a big factor for those teams.
Zach Kiekow not credible enough for you?

He wins the All Cool-Name team's starting PG nod.
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OUVan
1/11/2017 7:25 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
The lack of a credible point guard was a big factor for those teams.
Zach Kiekow not credible enough for you?

He wins the All Cool-Name team's starting PG nod.
Zach was my profile picture here for a number of years. It was actually Brandon Hunter absolutely crushing some unfortunate Marshall player with a pick as Zach dribbled by him. Some of you guys that were around back them probably remember that picture. One of my favorites.
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greencat
1/11/2017 11:58 PM
Let's compare Taylor and Carter at Buffalo.

Similar time on the floor. 13 minutes and 18 minutes.

Taylor - 0 points and 4 rebounds.

Carter - 7 points and 8 rebounds.

Taylor did have 2 blocked shots. I didn't get to see the game as it wasn't on ESPN3 (and I was at the Kentucky-Vandy game, so I didn't get to listen either) so I'm not sure if the blocked shots were game changers or not.
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RSBobcat
1/12/2017 1:02 AM
greencat wrote:expand_more
Let's compare Taylor and Carter at Buffalo.

Similar time on the floor. 13 minutes and 18 minutes.

Taylor - 0 points and 4 rebounds.

Carter - 7 points and 8 rebounds.

Taylor did have 2 blocked shots. I didn't get to see the game as it wasn't on ESPN3 (and I was at the Kentucky-Vandy game, so I didn't get to listen either) so I'm not sure if the blocked shots were game changers or not.
See what you mean - but this game had very little "science" to it....
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Bobcat1998
1/12/2017 6:23 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Let's compare Taylor and Carter at Buffalo.

Similar time on the floor. 13 minutes and 18 minutes.

Taylor - 0 points and 4 rebounds.

Carter - 7 points and 8 rebounds.

Taylor did have 2 blocked shots. I didn't get to see the game as it wasn't on ESPN3 (and I was at the Kentucky-Vandy game, so I didn't get to listen either) so I'm not sure if the blocked shots were game changers or not.
See what you mean - but this game had very little "science" to it....
It came down to matchups and Carter was definitely the more "skilled" in the post. Watch when Doug is on the floor. The offense rotates the ball on the perimeter but rarely passes into DT in the post. When Carter was in they hit him repeatedly in the post and he made some solid moves. As he gets stronger I see what they meant early in the year about his skills. It's like Culver. He simply wasn't "on" against Buffalo. It was Laster. Who knows, next game Culver may be the one. Doug will be needed Saturday in the post so let's just relax and know that he is a bull in the a china shop and enjoy his toughness inside.
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OUVan
1/12/2017 8:47 AM
greencat wrote:expand_more
Let's compare Taylor and Carter at Buffalo.

Similar time on the floor. 13 minutes and 18 minutes.

Taylor - 0 points and 4 rebounds.

Carter - 7 points and 8 rebounds.

Taylor did have 2 blocked shots. I didn't get to see the game as it wasn't on ESPN3 (and I was at the Kentucky-Vandy game, so I didn't get to listen either) so I'm not sure if the blocked shots were game changers or not.
Ahhhh, the old cherry pick. Why didn't you compare them against Kent State?

Taylor - 6 points and 5 rebounds.

Carter - 3 points and 1 rebounds.


Taylor has scored 8 or more points 5 times. Carter, twice. But none of this really matters. Both are going to be important pieces for Ohio going forward. Not sure I understand the need to tear Taylor down. It was great to see Carter get extended minutes down the stretch against Buffalo. The more run both of the them get the better it is for us in the future.
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OU_Country
1/12/2017 10:03 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
Ahhhh, the old cherry pick. Why didn't you compare them against Kent State?

Taylor - 6 points and 5 rebounds.

Carter - 3 points and 1 rebounds.


Taylor has scored 8 or more points 5 times. Carter, twice. But none of this really matters. Both are going to be important pieces for Ohio going forward. Not sure I understand the need to tear Taylor down. It was great to see Carter get extended minutes down the stretch against Buffalo. The more run both of the them get the better it is for us in the future.

Because some are selecting what they want, because they want to prove their opinion that Doug isn't a contributing player right. Of course you knew that, and I agree with you - it doesn't really matter. Both will be really important going forward.
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bshot44
1/12/2017 1:01 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
My years in Athens coincided with B-Hunt's, so needless to say I love the guy in every way. In my opinion what holds him back is the lackluster performance of his team, routinely disappointing from high expectations. The Bobcats were a mere 70-58 during Brandon's tenure with 0 postseason appearances. Making matters worse, the Bobcats got progressively worse each year of his career, finishing with a very disappointing 14-20 his senior season.

I'm not saying any of that is his fault, but it holds down his legend status. If he had a championship or 2, it would be a no brainer.
Jamerson wasn't on any postseason teams...his four years

(12-17)
(16-14)
(14-14)
(22-8)

Hunter's 4 years

(14-16)
(17-11)
(19-11)
(20-13)

Someone pointed out Hunter graduated....no reason he's not up there with his career numbers.
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FearLeon
1/12/2017 6:53 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
My years in Athens coincided with B-Hunt's, so needless to say I love the guy in every way. In my opinion what holds him back is the lackluster performance of his team, routinely disappointing from high expectations. The Bobcats were a mere 70-58 during Brandon's tenure with 0 postseason appearances. Making matters worse, the Bobcats got progressively worse each year of his career, finishing with a very disappointing 14-20 his senior season.

I'm not saying any of that is his fault, but it holds down his legend status. If he had a championship or 2, it would be a no brainer.
Jamerson wasn't on any postseason teams...his four years

(12-17)
(16-14)
(14-14)
(22-8)

Hunter's 4 years

(14-16)
(17-11)
(19-11)
(20-13)

Someone pointed out Hunter graduated....no reason he's not up there with his career numbers.
Jameson's senior year was my Freshman year. I came in with Jamerson and went out with Trent...not bad.
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Cbus Convo
1/13/2017 8:53 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
I think you are missing my point...this has nothing to do with them playing on the floor together. I'm simply comparing Tone as a Sophomore and DT as a sophomore on pure individual talent alone and it's no contest. Tone was ahead of DT at this stage of their careers.
They are completely different players. Taylor doesn't have to be Tony to be a very effective player. He doesn't and never will have Tony's hands but he's a better offensive rebounder than Tony and has the potential to be a better defender. And as I noted in another thread his points and rebounds per minute are almost exactly the same as Tony's sophomore year numbers. And he's going to continue to get better, just like Tony did. I doubt he'll every have the offensive game to be the MAC POY but he's sure got the skill-set to cut down some nets.
It's amazing to me how people on here want Doug to simply "become" Tony. Antonio Campbell is a transformative player who will someday have his number in the rafters. We haven't had many Players of the Year and he may become a 2-time Player of the Year if we can do something as a team. Doug Taylor, right now, is fulfilling EVERYTHING needed of him. Hustle, grit, toughness and quality minutes. Would I like him to have inside moves? Sure. But he lost a whole year of his career and last year was his "work back" year. Look how much he changed his body in one offseason. With Tone's influence he will enter next year a beast...just wait.
I love Tony, but declaring him to "someday have his number in the rafters" right now is a big big stretch. If he suddenly increases his averages this year to 25 and 16 and we get to the Sweet 16 then . . . maybe? You realize how few are up there, right?
Agree. Statistically AC has put up really nice numbers, especially in his final couple seasons. But we haven't seen him put this team on his back/shoulders and carry them to a MAC title or NCAA Tourney.

We did see that from: Cooper (number will be up there when/if he graduates) and Trent

Jamerson put up worldly numbers
All-time leading scorer
3-time All-MAC
Avg 31 ppg - 2nd in nation sr. year
4.68 3pt/per game - 4th all-time in NCAA history
And he was a 1st Rd draft choice in the NBA

Walter Luckett (number retired)
10th all-time leading scorer
MAC POY
2nd Rd NBA Draft

NOT RETIRED:

Snoopy Graham
4-time All-MAC
2nd all-time leading scorer
***Graham and Jamerson must've been a helluva show....top two all-time leading scorers on the same team

Brandon Hunter
3-time All-MAC
5th all-time leading scorer
All-time leading rebounder
2nd Rd NBA Draft

I'd say Graham and Hunter have more of an argument to be up there than Campbell right now.

AC would have to score more points this year than last just to crack the Top 10 in school history. He is on pace to crack top 5 in all-time rebounds.

But honestly, statistically he's had a pretty similar career to Leon Williams. No one is arguing Williams should have his number up there...and he led Ohio to NCAA tourney...something AC has yet to do.

Now if he wins another POY...Ohio wins MAC...goes to NCAA Tourney...then I think he has a legit argument.

I think some are just caught up in the moment...but I don't feel like AC has been the "stud" that Cooper, Trent...and to a degree Hunter were during their Ohio careers.

My freshman year was 1988-1989 which was the season that Jamerson was a junior and Graham was a senior. As you surmised, you'd think that it would have been "heluva show" having 2 future NBA players on the court at the same time. However, the reality of the situation was quite different. I recall some good individual games for each, but that team as a whole was a sh*te show. Finished 13-16 overall and 6-10 in the MAC. And that's with what I would consider a more than competent PG in Dink Whittaker and a true 7 footer in J Buford. All the potential in the world yet they were deserving of their finish near the bottom of the MAC (this was before East and West). Plus, this team was unfortunate enough to be the only team in NCAA history to play 2 games in the same day during the conference tournament that year, surprisingly winning the first one. Still goes down as one of the silliest ideas ever in college sports to have a team play 2 games in the same day. That said, I blame coaching as the Hahn era (2 years?) was a dark time for Ohio Basketball. That year in particular.
Last Edited: 1/13/2017 8:55:15 PM by Cbus Convo
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1/13/2017 9:45 PM
Cbus Convo wrote:expand_more
I think you are missing my point...this has nothing to do with them playing on the floor together. I'm simply comparing Tone as a Sophomore and DT as a sophomore on pure individual talent alone and it's no contest. Tone was ahead of DT at this stage of their careers.
They are completely different players. Taylor doesn't have to be Tony to be a very effective player. He doesn't and never will have Tony's hands but he's a better offensive rebounder than Tony and has the potential to be a better defender. And as I noted in another thread his points and rebounds per minute are almost exactly the same as Tony's sophomore year numbers. And he's going to continue to get better, just like Tony did. I doubt he'll every have the offensive game to be the MAC POY but he's sure got the skill-set to cut down some nets.
It's amazing to me how people on here want Doug to simply "become" Tony. Antonio Campbell is a transformative player who will someday have his number in the rafters. We haven't had many Players of the Year and he may become a 2-time Player of the Year if we can do something as a team. Doug Taylor, right now, is fulfilling EVERYTHING needed of him. Hustle, grit, toughness and quality minutes. Would I like him to have inside moves? Sure. But he lost a whole year of his career and last year was his "work back" year. Look how much he changed his body in one offseason. With Tone's influence he will enter next year a beast...just wait.

Billy Hawn sure screwed that team up!

I love Tony, but declaring him to "someday have his number in the rafters" right now is a big big stretch. If he suddenly increases his averages this year to 25 and 16 and we get to the Sweet 16 then . . . maybe? You realize how few are up there, right?
Agree. Statistically AC has put up really nice numbers, especially in his final couple seasons. But we haven't seen him put this team on his back/shoulders and carry them to a MAC title or NCAA Tourney.

We did see that from: Cooper (number will be up there when/if he graduates) and Trent

Jamerson put up worldly numbers
All-time leading scorer
3-time All-MAC
Avg 31 ppg - 2nd in nation sr. year
4.68 3pt/per game - 4th all-time in NCAA history
And he was a 1st Rd draft choice in the NBA

Walter Luckett (number retired)
10th all-time leading scorer
MAC POY
2nd Rd NBA Draft

NOT RETIRED:

Snoopy Graham
4-time All-MAC
2nd all-time leading scorer
***Graham and Jamerson must've been a helluva show....top two all-time leading scorers on the same team

Brandon Hunter
3-time All-MAC
5th all-time leading scorer
All-time leading rebounder
2nd Rd NBA Draft

I'd say Graham and Hunter have more of an argument to be up there than Campbell right now.

AC would have to score more points this year than last just to crack the Top 10 in school history. He is on pace to crack top 5 in all-time rebounds.

But honestly, statistically he's had a pretty similar career to Leon Williams. No one is arguing Williams should have his number up there...and he led Ohio to NCAA tourney...something AC has yet to do.

Now if he wins another POY...Ohio wins MAC...goes to NCAA Tourney...then I think he has a legit argument.

I think some are just caught up in the moment...but I don't feel like AC has been the "stud" that Cooper, Trent...and to a degree Hunter were during their Ohio careers.

My freshman year was 1988-1989 which was the season that Jamerson was a junior and Graham was a senior. As you surmised, you'd think that it would have been "heluva show" having 2 future NBA players on the court at the same time. However, the reality of the situation was quite different. I recall some good individual games for each, but that team as a whole was a sh*te show. Finished 13-16 overall and 6-10 in the MAC. And that's with what I would consider a more than competent PG in Dink Whittaker and a true 7 footer in J Buford. All the potential in the world yet they were deserving of their finish near the bottom of the MAC (this was before East and West). Plus, this team was unfortunate enough to be the only team in NCAA history to play 2 games in the same day during the conference tournament that year, surprisingly winning the first one. Still goes down as one of the silliest ideas ever in college sports to have a team play 2 games in the same day. That said, I blame coaching as the Hahn era (2 years?) was a dark time for Ohio Basketball. That year in particular.

Billy Hahn sure did suck as a HC! That was the year they had to play 2 games in one day in the Mac Tourny ! How stupid was the shiet?
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I think you are missing my point...this has nothing to do with them playing on the floor together. I'm simply comparing Tone as a Sophomore and DT as a sophomore on pure individual talent alone and it's no contest. Tone was ahead of DT at this stage of their careers.
They are completely different players. Taylor doesn't have to be Tony to be a very effective player. He doesn't and never will have Tony's hands but he's a better offensive rebounder than Tony and has the potential to be a better defender. And as I noted in another thread his points and rebounds per minute are almost exactly the same as Tony's sophomore year numbers. And he's going to continue to get better, just like Tony did. I doubt he'll every have the offensive game to be the MAC POY but he's sure got the skill-set to cut down some nets.
It's amazing to me how people on here want Doug to simply "become" Tony. Antonio Campbell is a transformative player who will someday have his number in the rafters. We haven't had many Players of the Year and he may become a 2-time Player of the Year if we can do something as a team. Doug Taylor, right now, is fulfilling EVERYTHING needed of him. Hustle, grit, toughness and quality minutes. Would I like him to have inside moves? Sure. But he lost a whole year of his career and last year was his "work back" year. Look how much he changed his body in one offseason. With Tone's influence he will enter next year a beast...just wait.

Billy Hawn sure screwed that team up!

I love Tony, but declaring him to "someday have his number in the rafters" right now is a big big stretch. If he suddenly increases his averages this year to 25 and 16 and we get to the Sweet 16 then . . . maybe? You realize how few are up there, right?
Agree. Statistically AC has put up really nice numbers, especially in his final couple seasons. But we haven't seen him put this team on his back/shoulders and carry them to a MAC title or NCAA Tourney.

We did see that from: Cooper (number will be up there when/if he graduates) and Trent

Jamerson put up worldly numbers
All-time leading scorer
3-time All-MAC
Avg 31 ppg - 2nd in nation sr. year
4.68 3pt/per game - 4th all-time in NCAA history
And he was a 1st Rd draft choice in the NBA

Walter Luckett (number retired)
10th all-time leading scorer
MAC POY
2nd Rd NBA Draft

NOT RETIRED:

Snoopy Graham
4-time All-MAC
2nd all-time leading scorer
***Graham and Jamerson must've been a helluva show....top two all-time leading scorers on the same team

Brandon Hunter
3-time All-MAC
5th all-time leading scorer
All-time leading rebounder
2nd Rd NBA Draft

I'd say Graham and Hunter have more of an argument to be up there than Campbell right now.

AC would have to score more points this year than last just to crack the Top 10 in school history. He is on pace to crack top 5 in all-time rebounds.

But honestly, statistically he's had a pretty similar career to Leon Williams. No one is arguing Williams should have his number up there...and he led Ohio to NCAA tourney...something AC has yet to do.

Now if he wins another POY...Ohio wins MAC...goes to NCAA Tourney...then I think he has a legit argument.

I think some are just caught up in the moment...but I don't feel like AC has been the "stud" that Cooper, Trent...and to a degree Hunter were during their Ohio careers.

My freshman year was 1988-1989 which was the season that Jamerson was a junior and Graham was a senior. As you surmised, you'd think that it would have been "heluva show" having 2 future NBA players on the court at the same time. However, the reality of the situation was quite different. I recall some good individual games for each, but that team as a whole was a sh*te show. Finished 13-16 overall and 6-10 in the MAC. And that's with what I would consider a more than competent PG in Dink Whittaker and a true 7 footer in J Buford. All the potential in the world yet they were deserving of their finish near the bottom of the MAC (this was before East and West). Plus, this team was unfortunate enough to be the only team in NCAA history to play 2 games in the same day during the conference tournament that year, surprisingly winning the first one. Still goes down as one of the silliest ideas ever in college sports to have a team play 2 games in the same day. That said, I blame coaching as the Hahn era (2 years?) was a dark time for Ohio Basketball. That year in particular.

Billy Hahn sure did suck as a HC! That was the year they had to play 2 games in one day in the Mac Tourny ! How stupid was the shiet?
Hahn was absolutely the issue. Anytime Anyone starts talking what would be your all time 5 - My first two are Always Snoopy and Trent. Opens up after that but DJ pretty much always #3.
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