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allen
1/7/2017 11:43 AM
I heard someone say he is stiff. He is far from a stiff. He is just very unpolished. He can become Flomoesque, if he works hard. He needs to learn to block out. He needs to cutoff penetrators and block more shots. I am impressed with his potential. The question is do we have a big man coach that can develop him. Tone came here relatively skilled and he was able to eat boards as a freshmen. Taylor moves well, he should be a double-double guy with the right coaches.
Last Edited: 1/7/2017 12:34:20 PM by allen
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shabamon
1/7/2017 11:46 AM
Someone in the chat room compared him to Tristan Thompson. I can see it.
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allen
1/7/2017 12:34 PM
He has to learn how to rebound better to live up to that comparison.
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FearLeon
1/7/2017 12:42 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
I heard someone say he is stiff. He is far from a stiff. He is just very unpolished. He can become Flomoesque, if he works hard. He needs to learn to block out. He needs to cutoff penetrators and block more shots. I am impressed with his potential. The question is do we have a big man coach that can develop him. Tone came here relatively skilled and he was able to eat boards as a freshmen. Taylor moves well, he should be a double-double guy with the right coaches.
Just curious....who called him a stiff? I'm not on board yet that he'll be a 26 minute guy next year, but unless it came in the chat room, I don't remember anyone calling DT a stiff. Figure out the FT issues, learn some moves in the paint, develop a 12-15 foot jumper and maybe he becomes a 26 minute guy. Hope it happens, but I can tell you....that Doug Taylor is not a stiff so I would love to know where that came from.
Last Edited: 1/7/2017 12:43:05 PM by FearLeon
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Pataskala
1/7/2017 12:43 PM
It's gotta be tough for Taylor with Tone around. Tone is so smooth, he makes everything look so easy. He gets double-doubles without breaking a sweat. Taylor seems to struggle when he's on the floor. Maybe he'll get more confidence and loosen up in time.
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FearLeon
1/7/2017 12:48 PM
Pataskala wrote:expand_more
It's gotta be tough for Taylor with Tone around. Tone is so smooth, he makes everything look so easy. He gets double-doubles without breaking a sweat. Taylor seems to struggle when he's on the floor. Maybe he'll get more confidence and loosen up in time.
+1 What he said^^^^

Tone was more fluid than Taylor was at the same time as a Sophomore. It's not a knock against Taylor...just a fact.
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allen
1/7/2017 12:55 PM
Greencat stated this
Taylor got 11 tonight according the the box score. Urbana must be pretty bad.

Not to be a jerk about it, but after watching him play up close at WKU, he seemed slow and with very little of the footwork a D-1 big guy needs - even a backup. And his free throws were absolute bricks. This is the guy who will be starting center next season? SMH

I equated to slow and little to no footwork as being a stiff. I disagree, I think he can be good, but he needs to be coached up. I saw some plays where he could have got some easy blocks and rebounds. He moves pretty good for a MAC big, its just about being in the right position.
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FearLeon
1/7/2017 1:08 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
Greencat stated this
Taylor got 11 tonight according the the box score. Urbana must be pretty bad.

Not to be a jerk about it, but after watching him play up close at WKU, he seemed slow and with very little of the footwork a D-1 big guy needs - even a backup. And his free throws were absolute bricks. This is the guy who will be starting center next season? SMH

I equated to slow and little to no footwork as being a stiff. I disagree, I think he can be good, but he needs to be coached up. I saw some plays where he could have got some easy blocks and rebounds. He moves pretty good for a MAC big, its just about being in the right position.
Greencat was just giving his analysis after watching him in person at WKU. I could have said the same thing after watching DT in the Georgia Tech game sitting 10 rows behind the bench in November. It's instant analysis. Nobody called him a stiff. We all agree that he will develop and get better, but he has a long way to go to be a double-double guy and one of the best centers in the MAC. Allen...I hope you are correct and we are wrong about what we see right now about DT. I will gladly copy/paste this a year or two from now and happily say I was DEAD WRONG. DT is a capable 8-12 minute guy who hopefully one day can become the 26 minute guy.
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allen
1/7/2017 1:59 PM
I agree with your assessment right now, he really needs to be coached up and watch a lot of video. The athletic ability is there.
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OU_Country
1/7/2017 8:24 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
He has to learn how to rebound better to live up to that comparison.
Four and a half boards a game while playing 12-13min/game. Are you sure about that?
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OU_Country
1/7/2017 8:26 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
It's gotta be tough for Taylor with Tone around. Tone is so smooth, he makes everything look so easy. He gets double-doubles without breaking a sweat. Taylor seems to struggle when he's on the floor. Maybe he'll get more confidence and loosen up in time.
+1 What he said^^^^

Tone was more fluid than Taylor was at the same time as a Sophomore. It's not a knock against Taylor...just a fact.
Huh? They barely spend time on the floor together. I don't follow this logic. I think the combo of Carter and Taylor look like good solid post players for the future.
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giacomo
1/7/2017 10:10 PM
I like him a lot. He can learn from Campbell this year and be ready for more minutes next year. He slimmed down from last year which will help him.
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FearLeon
1/8/2017 12:09 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
It's gotta be tough for Taylor with Tone around. Tone is so smooth, he makes everything look so easy. He gets double-doubles without breaking a sweat. Taylor seems to struggle when he's on the floor. Maybe he'll get more confidence and loosen up in time.
+1 What he said^^^^

Tone was more fluid than Taylor was at the same time as a Sophomore. It's not a knock against Taylor...just a fact.
Huh? They barely spend time on the floor together. I don't follow this logic. I think the combo of Carter and Taylor look like good solid post players for the future.


I think you are missing my point...this has nothing to do with them playing on the floor together. I'm simply comparing Tone as a Sophomore and DT as a sophomore on pure individual talent alone and it's no contest. Tone was ahead of DT at this stage of their careers.
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OUVan
1/8/2017 7:10 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
I think you are missing my point...this has nothing to do with them playing on the floor together. I'm simply comparing Tone as a Sophomore and DT as a sophomore on pure individual talent alone and it's no contest. Tone was ahead of DT at this stage of their careers.
They are completely different players. Taylor doesn't have to be Tony to be a very effective player. He doesn't and never will have Tony's hands but he's a better offensive rebounder than Tony and has the potential to be a better defender. And as I noted in another thread his points and rebounds per minute are almost exactly the same as Tony's sophomore year numbers. And he's going to continue to get better, just like Tony did. I doubt he'll every have the offensive game to be the MAC POY but he's sure got the skill-set to cut down some nets.
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Bobcat1998
1/8/2017 9:39 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
I think you are missing my point...this has nothing to do with them playing on the floor together. I'm simply comparing Tone as a Sophomore and DT as a sophomore on pure individual talent alone and it's no contest. Tone was ahead of DT at this stage of their careers.
They are completely different players. Taylor doesn't have to be Tony to be a very effective player. He doesn't and never will have Tony's hands but he's a better offensive rebounder than Tony and has the potential to be a better defender. And as I noted in another thread his points and rebounds per minute are almost exactly the same as Tony's sophomore year numbers. And he's going to continue to get better, just like Tony did. I doubt he'll every have the offensive game to be the MAC POY but he's sure got the skill-set to cut down some nets.
It's amazing to me how people on here want Doug to simply "become" Tony. Antonio Campbell is a transformative player who will someday have his number in the rafters. We haven't had many Players of the Year and he may become a 2-time Player of the Year if we can do something as a team. Doug Taylor, right now, is fulfilling EVERYTHING needed of him. Hustle, grit, toughness and quality minutes. Would I like him to have inside moves? Sure. But he lost a whole year of his career and last year was his "work back" year. Look how much he changed his body in one offseason. With Tone's influence he will enter next year a beast...just wait.
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allen
1/8/2017 12:31 PM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
I think you are missing my point...this has nothing to do with them playing on the floor together. I'm simply comparing Tone as a Sophomore and DT as a sophomore on pure individual talent alone and it's no contest. Tone was ahead of DT at this stage of their careers.
They are completely different players. Taylor doesn't have to be Tony to be a very effective player. He doesn't and never will have Tony's hands but he's a better offensive rebounder than Tony and has the potential to be a better defender. And as I noted in another thread his points and rebounds per minute are almost exactly the same as Tony's sophomore year numbers. And he's going to continue to get better, just like Tony did. I doubt he'll every have the offensive game to be the MAC POY but he's sure got the skill-set to cut down some nets.
It's amazing to me how people on here want Doug to simply "become" Tony. Antonio Campbell is a transformative player who will someday have his number in the rafters. We haven't had many Players of the Year and he may become a 2-time Player of the Year if we can do something as a team. Doug Taylor, right now, is fulfilling EVERYTHING needed of him. Hustle, grit, toughness and quality minutes. Would I like him to have inside moves? Sure. But he lost a whole year of his career and last year was his "work back" year. Look how much he changed his body in one offseason. With Tone's influence he will enter next year a beast...just wait.
He can't be Tone, he has to himself. If he will play 26 minutes a game he has to do more, otherwise teams will double off of him. He has to eat boards. His rebounding numbers are good, but he was out of position numerous times during the Kent game. He has to block shots. He has to be a good presence and not just a presence. That being said, he has talent, he will need to have a good off season and get more confident. Hopefully they can go overseas during the summer.
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GroverBall
1/8/2017 5:36 PM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
I think you are missing my point...this has nothing to do with them playing on the floor together. I'm simply comparing Tone as a Sophomore and DT as a sophomore on pure individual talent alone and it's no contest. Tone was ahead of DT at this stage of their careers.
They are completely different players. Taylor doesn't have to be Tony to be a very effective player. He doesn't and never will have Tony's hands but he's a better offensive rebounder than Tony and has the potential to be a better defender. And as I noted in another thread his points and rebounds per minute are almost exactly the same as Tony's sophomore year numbers. And he's going to continue to get better, just like Tony did. I doubt he'll every have the offensive game to be the MAC POY but he's sure got the skill-set to cut down some nets.
It's amazing to me how people on here want Doug to simply "become" Tony. Antonio Campbell is a transformative player who will someday have his number in the rafters. We haven't had many Players of the Year and he may become a 2-time Player of the Year if we can do something as a team. Doug Taylor, right now, is fulfilling EVERYTHING needed of him. Hustle, grit, toughness and quality minutes. Would I like him to have inside moves? Sure. But he lost a whole year of his career and last year was his "work back" year. Look how much he changed his body in one offseason. With Tone's influence he will enter next year a beast...just wait.
I love Tony, but declaring him to "someday have his number in the rafters" right now is a big big stretch. If he suddenly increases his averages this year to 25 and 16 and we get to the Sweet 16 then . . . maybe? You realize how few are up there, right?
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OU_Country
1/8/2017 6:15 PM
GroverBall wrote:expand_more
I love Tony, but declaring him to "someday have his number in the rafters" right now is a big big stretch. If he suddenly increases his averages this year to 25 and 16 and we get to the Sweet 16 then . . . maybe? You realize how few are up there, right?
The answer to that question is too few,in my opinion.
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perimeterpost
1/8/2017 6:48 PM
"Tony Campbell is an ok player, but he'll never be a Maurice NDour"

- someone on this board two years ago, probably.
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FearLeon
1/8/2017 8:30 PM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
I think you are missing my point...this has nothing to do with them playing on the floor together. I'm simply comparing Tone as a Sophomore and DT as a sophomore on pure individual talent alone and it's no contest. Tone was ahead of DT at this stage of their careers.
They are completely different players. Taylor doesn't have to be Tony to be a very effective player. He doesn't and never will have Tony's hands but he's a better offensive rebounder than Tony and has the potential to be a better defender. And as I noted in another thread his points and rebounds per minute are almost exactly the same as Tony's sophomore year numbers. And he's going to continue to get better, just like Tony did. I doubt he'll every have the offensive game to be the MAC POY but he's sure got the skill-set to cut down some nets.
It's amazing to me how people on here want Doug to simply "become" Tony. Antonio Campbell is a transformative player who will someday have his number in the rafters. We haven't had many Players of the Year and he may become a 2-time Player of the Year if we can do something as a team. Doug Taylor, right now, is fulfilling EVERYTHING needed of him. Hustle, grit, toughness and quality minutes. Would I like him to have inside moves? Sure. But he lost a whole year of his career and last year was his "work back" year. Look how much he changed his body in one offseason. With Tone's influence he will enter next year a beast...just wait.
Many on this board believe Taylor will be a double-double guy in the next 2 years. All I'm saying is that I don't see it. And I hope I'm wrong and will say I'm wrong if it happens. He's a solid player that you want to play 12 minutes a game. He needs to improve his offensive skills big-time to become a 26 minute guy. He doesn't have a jumper and struggles to make post moves. No saying he can't improve and get it done, but time will tell.
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1/9/2017 12:21 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
I think you are missing my point...this has nothing to do with them playing on the floor together. I'm simply comparing Tone as a Sophomore and DT as a sophomore on pure individual talent alone and it's no contest. Tone was ahead of DT at this stage of their careers.
They are completely different players. Taylor doesn't have to be Tony to be a very effective player. He doesn't and never will have Tony's hands but he's a better offensive rebounder than Tony and has the potential to be a better defender. And as I noted in another thread his points and rebounds per minute are almost exactly the same as Tony's sophomore year numbers. And he's going to continue to get better, just like Tony did. I doubt he'll every have the offensive game to be the MAC POY but he's sure got the skill-set to cut down some nets.
It's amazing to me how people on here want Doug to simply "become" Tony. Antonio Campbell is a transformative player who will someday have his number in the rafters. We haven't had many Players of the Year and he may become a 2-time Player of the Year if we can do something as a team. Doug Taylor, right now, is fulfilling EVERYTHING needed of him. Hustle, grit, toughness and quality minutes. Would I like him to have inside moves? Sure. But he lost a whole year of his career and last year was his "work back" year. Look how much he changed his body in one offseason. With Tone's influence he will enter next year a beast...just wait.
Many on this board believe Taylor will be a double-double guy in the next 2 years. All I'm saying is that I don't see it. And I hope I'm wrong and will say I'm wrong if it happens. He's a solid player that you want to play 12 minutes a game. He needs to improve his offensive skills big-time to become a 26 minute guy. He doesn't have a jumper and struggles to make post moves. No saying he can't improve and get it done, but time will tell.
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OUVan
1/9/2017 9:25 AM
allen wrote:expand_more
I think you are missing my point...this has nothing to do with them playing on the floor together. I'm simply comparing Tone as a Sophomore and DT as a sophomore on pure individual talent alone and it's no contest. Tone was ahead of DT at this stage of their careers.
They are completely different players. Taylor doesn't have to be Tony to be a very effective player. He doesn't and never will have Tony's hands but he's a better offensive rebounder than Tony and has the potential to be a better defender. And as I noted in another thread his points and rebounds per minute are almost exactly the same as Tony's sophomore year numbers. And he's going to continue to get better, just like Tony did. I doubt he'll every have the offensive game to be the MAC POY but he's sure got the skill-set to cut down some nets.
It's amazing to me how people on here want Doug to simply "become" Tony. Antonio Campbell is a transformative player who will someday have his number in the rafters. We haven't had many Players of the Year and he may become a 2-time Player of the Year if we can do something as a team. Doug Taylor, right now, is fulfilling EVERYTHING needed of him. Hustle, grit, toughness and quality minutes. Would I like him to have inside moves? Sure. But he lost a whole year of his career and last year was his "work back" year. Look how much he changed his body in one offseason. With Tone's influence he will enter next year a beast...just wait.
Many on this board believe Taylor will be a double-double guy in the next 2 years. All I'm saying is that I don't see it. And I hope I'm wrong and will say I'm wrong if it happens. He's a solid player that you want to play 12 minutes a game. He needs to improve his offensive skills big-time to become a 26 minute guy. He doesn't have a jumper and struggles to make post moves. No saying he can't improve and get it done, but time will tell.
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Andrew Ruck
1/9/2017 10:30 AM
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"Tony Campbell is an ok player, but he'll never be a Maurice NDour"

- someone on this board two years ago, probably.
Tony was not viewed as anything special until his Junior year. I remember because I constantly talked him up as being excellent and about to take off, and I always remember when I'm right.
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bshot44
1/9/2017 10:38 AM
GroverBall wrote:expand_more
I think you are missing my point...this has nothing to do with them playing on the floor together. I'm simply comparing Tone as a Sophomore and DT as a sophomore on pure individual talent alone and it's no contest. Tone was ahead of DT at this stage of their careers.
They are completely different players. Taylor doesn't have to be Tony to be a very effective player. He doesn't and never will have Tony's hands but he's a better offensive rebounder than Tony and has the potential to be a better defender. And as I noted in another thread his points and rebounds per minute are almost exactly the same as Tony's sophomore year numbers. And he's going to continue to get better, just like Tony did. I doubt he'll every have the offensive game to be the MAC POY but he's sure got the skill-set to cut down some nets.
It's amazing to me how people on here want Doug to simply "become" Tony. Antonio Campbell is a transformative player who will someday have his number in the rafters. We haven't had many Players of the Year and he may become a 2-time Player of the Year if we can do something as a team. Doug Taylor, right now, is fulfilling EVERYTHING needed of him. Hustle, grit, toughness and quality minutes. Would I like him to have inside moves? Sure. But he lost a whole year of his career and last year was his "work back" year. Look how much he changed his body in one offseason. With Tone's influence he will enter next year a beast...just wait.
I love Tony, but declaring him to "someday have his number in the rafters" right now is a big big stretch. If he suddenly increases his averages this year to 25 and 16 and we get to the Sweet 16 then . . . maybe? You realize how few are up there, right?
Agree. Statistically AC has put up really nice numbers, especially in his final couple seasons. But we haven't seen him put this team on his back/shoulders and carry them to a MAC title or NCAA Tourney.

We did see that from: Cooper (number will be up there when/if he graduates) and Trent

Jamerson put up worldly numbers
All-time leading scorer
3-time All-MAC
Avg 31 ppg - 2nd in nation sr. year
4.68 3pt/per game - 4th all-time in NCAA history
And he was a 1st Rd draft choice in the NBA

Walter Luckett (number retired)
10th all-time leading scorer
MAC POY
2nd Rd NBA Draft

NOT RETIRED:

Snoopy Graham
4-time All-MAC
2nd all-time leading scorer
***Graham and Jamerson must've been a helluva show....top two all-time leading scorers on the same team

Brandon Hunter
3-time All-MAC
5th all-time leading scorer
All-time leading rebounder
2nd Rd NBA Draft

I'd say Graham and Hunter have more of an argument to be up there than Campbell right now.

AC would have to score more points this year than last just to crack the Top 10 in school history. He is on pace to crack top 5 in all-time rebounds.

But honestly, statistically he's had a pretty similar career to Leon Williams. No one is arguing Williams should have his number up there...and he led Ohio to NCAA tourney...something AC has yet to do.

Now if he wins another POY...Ohio wins MAC...goes to NCAA Tourney...then I think he has a legit argument.

I think some are just caught up in the moment...but I don't feel like AC has been the "stud" that Cooper, Trent...and to a degree Hunter were during their Ohio careers.
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OUVan
1/9/2017 12:13 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
***Graham and Jamerson must've been a helluva show....top two all-time leading scorers on the same team
We had a similar scenario in the late 70s with Steve Skaggs and Tim Joyce. Not quite as electric perhaps as the Jamerson-Graham duo but noteworthy nonetheless. If I'm not mistaken Skaggs became the all-time leading scorer in 78-79 and Joyce played in the prestigious Pizza Hut All Star game at the end of the year.
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