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bshot44
2/8/2017 10:19 PM
Marty Bannister wrote:expand_more
As we close in on Cleveland, I still think this is an Ohio team that can cause some problems at the "Q". Other than Akron and Toledo, there are no teams that have guys that can dominate in the paint, so match ups will be key.
I so want to believe this....but a couple things won't allow me.

1. Ohio hasn't won back to back games since 3-0 start in MAC. Hard to believe they'll run off three straight in CLE

2. While yes, UT & Akron possess paint problems for teams....CMU wasn't supposed to and they still outscored Ohio 34-14. Cats can't defend good or bad teams in the paint consistently.

7 games left to figure some things out. Sadly by then, a trip to Cleveland might not even be guaranteed
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The Optimist
2/8/2017 11:03 PM
It isn't like you have to be world-beaters to win the MAC Tournament.

We're 6-5 and tied for 2nd in the conference. We're also the only team in the conference to beat the team way out in front at 1st place.

How many other teams in the MAC lose their best player and still have enough talent to beat Akron?

7 games is a lot of time for growth for a team that is very young.

Relax.
Last Edited: 2/8/2017 11:04:38 PM by The Optimist
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GroverBall
2/8/2017 11:26 PM
Article reports Keene is on top 20 list for Wooden Award:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18...

He was annoyingly awesome I have to say. Can get his shot AND make them. It's not like Dartis and Simmons weren't in his grill on most shots, but he made them anyway. Been a loooong time since I've witnessed such an unconscious shooter that size in the Convo. I remember a pretty amazing performance by Ray McCallum, Sr. He was a threat to shoot as soon as he crossed half court.
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RSBobcat
2/9/2017 12:06 AM
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Buddy Mayborg should have been the assist leader in last night's game. He allowed Keene, obviously a ridiculously great shooter, to push off/elbow thrust on over half his shots. Saul kept yelling at him that he changed the game by allowing this.
^^^^^^^^^^ THIS - happened ALL NIGHT LONG

But he still hit the shots.............
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RSBobcat
2/9/2017 12:12 AM
RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
Buddy Mayborg should have been the assist leader in last night's game. He allowed Keene, obviously a ridiculously great shooter, to push off/elbow thrust on over half his shots. Saul kept yelling at him that he changed the game by allowing this.
^^^^^^^^^^ THIS - happened ALL NIGHT LONG

But he still hit the shots.............
The only time he was called for it was when he nailed Simmons in the face and they reviewed to see if it should be called flagrant....
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Tom Valentino
2/9/2017 12:14 PM
If you feel like reliving Marcus Keene scorching the earth on Tuesday night again, Mark Titus has a pretty good story today on The Ringer:

https://theringer.com/marcus-keene-central-michigan-chipp...
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OU_Country
2/9/2017 12:57 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
It isn't like you have to be world-beaters to win the MAC Tournament.

We're 6-5 and tied for 2nd in the conference. We're also the only team in the conference to beat the team way out in front at 1st place.

How many other teams in the MAC lose their best player and still have enough talent to beat Akron?

7 games is a lot of time for growth for a team that is very young.

Relax.

All good points.
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OUVan
2/9/2017 1:19 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
2. While yes, UT & Akron possess paint problems for teams....CMU wasn't supposed to and they still outscored Ohio 34-14. Cats can't defend good or bad teams in the paint consistently.
Western fielded a couple of big stiffs and they hurt us in the paint as well. We don't have the guys who can defend the post on their own. We have to do a better job with help defense when the ball goes deep.
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GroverBall
2/9/2017 2:14 PM
Tom Valentino wrote:expand_more
If you feel like reliving Marcus Keene scorching the earth on Tuesday night again, Mark Titus has a pretty good story today on The Ringer:

https://theringer.com/marcus-keene-central-michigan-chipp...
Thanks Tom, that's a really good read. I didn't know about The Ringer or the author but I'm glad he made the trip to Athens. For those who missed watching the game, and who wonder how our defense could have "let" Keene get 41, I highly recommend this article.
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OhioStunter
2/9/2017 7:41 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
It isn't like you have to be world-beaters to win the MAC Tournament.

We're 6-5 and tied for 2nd in the conference. We're also the only team in the conference to beat the team way out in front at 1st place.

How many other teams in the MAC lose their best player and still have enough talent to beat Akron?

7 games is a lot of time for growth for a team that is very young.

Relax.
At this point in the season, I think it will really come down to one thing -- will KK play like a senior? If his streaky shooting is streaky hot, look out. Simmons is proving to be a consistent scorer and Dartis is an assassin. I don't like to put pressure on one student-athlete, but I don't think a MAC tourney run is possible without KK's help.
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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
2/9/2017 8:25 PM
GroverBall wrote:expand_more
If you feel like reliving Marcus Keene scorching the earth on Tuesday night again, Mark Titus has a pretty good story today on The Ringer:

https://theringer.com/marcus-keene-central-michigan-chipp...
Thanks Tom, that's a really good read. I didn't know about The Ringer or the author but I'm glad he made the trip to Athens. For those who missed watching the game, and who wonder how our defense could have "let" Keene get 41, I highly recommend this article.
Mark Titus was a walk-on at OSU recruited by John Groce. His book "Don't Put Me In Coach" is one of the best college basketball books I have read. One of my favorite stories of his involves getting stuck in an elevator with our very own Walter Offutt: http://clubtrillion.blogspot.com/2009/01/love-in-elevator...
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The Optimist
2/9/2017 8:37 PM
OhioStunter wrote:expand_more
It isn't like you have to be world-beaters to win the MAC Tournament.

We're 6-5 and tied for 2nd in the conference. We're also the only team in the conference to beat the team way out in front at 1st place.

How many other teams in the MAC lose their best player and still have enough talent to beat Akron?

7 games is a lot of time for growth for a team that is very young.

Relax.
At this point in the season, I think it will really come down to one thing -- will KK play like a senior? If his streaky shooting is streaky hot, look out. Simmons is proving to be a consistent scorer and Dartis is an assassin. I don't like to put pressure on one student-athlete, but I don't think a MAC tourney run is possible without KK's help.
Agreed.

We aren't winning the MAC Tournament without shooting well from 3.

KK has that potential. It's FAR from a sure-thing, but it's certainly a possibility.

Akron didn't shoot well from 3 when we beat them. They shoot well from 3, they are going to be hard for anyone in the MAC to beat. Nobody but Ohio has managed to beat them this season.
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bshot44
2/9/2017 11:51 PM
The Optimist wrote:expand_more
It isn't like you have to be world-beaters to win the MAC Tournament.

We're 6-5 and tied for 2nd in the conference. We're also the only team in the conference to beat the team way out in front at 1st place.

How many other teams in the MAC lose their best player and still have enough talent to beat Akron?

7 games is a lot of time for growth for a team that is very young.

Relax.
When this team proves it can win back-to-back games I'll relax. Until then...

And the real young excuse is wearing thin.

Yes...Culver & Carter are freshman...but we're 20 games into season and Culver's minutes are minimal now.

Simmons 4 yrs CBB experience
Kaminski 4 yrs
Dartis 2yrs
Block 2yrs
Taylor 2 yrs
Laster 3yrs

That's not that inexperienced in terms of CBB these days
Last Edited: 2/10/2017 9:04:44 AM by bshot44
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Monroe Slavin
2/10/2017 2:29 AM
Be realistic. We are quite a long shot to win the MAC tourney without Antonio.
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Marty Bannister
2/10/2017 9:27 AM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
Bang up job on the play by play and commentary. I keep forgetting the woman's name, but Marty and her have excellent chemistry.
Thank you....Toni Roesch (RESCH) is the analyst. We have worked together either on radio or TV for about 25 years. She is very good...
Last Edited: 2/10/2017 9:29:29 AM by Marty Bannister
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OU_Country
2/10/2017 9:32 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
It isn't like you have to be world-beaters to win the MAC Tournament.

We're 6-5 and tied for 2nd in the conference. We're also the only team in the conference to beat the team way out in front at 1st place.

How many other teams in the MAC lose their best player and still have enough talent to beat Akron?

7 games is a lot of time for growth for a team that is very young.

Relax.
When this team proves it can win back-to-back games I'll relax. Until then...

And the real young excuse is wearing thin.

Yes...Culver & Carter are freshman...but we're 20 games into season and Culver's minutes are minimal now.

Simmons 4 yrs CBB experience
Kaminski 4 yrs
Dartis 2yrs
Block 2yrs
Taylor 2 yrs
Laster 3yrs

That's not that inexperienced in terms of CBB these days
Between your thoughts re: defense, and FearLeon's thoughts re: Doug Taylor, I'm pretty sure that somewhere, a poor horse has been beaten to death.
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100%Cat
2/10/2017 10:59 AM
Basketball minds of BA, maybe it's just a coincidence (1 game sample size), I see looking at Central's results that the real clunker of an offensive game they had was vs. Eastern Michigan, who held them in the low 60's. Would a zone be any more effective against the Rayson/Keene combo? Is BG still predominantly playing zone D? They allowed I think 82 to Central in their loss to CMU. Obviously Keene and Rayson both struggled against Eastern, compared to their season averages. Maybe it was just a bad night for them, but would a zone be any more effective than man?
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GoCats105
2/10/2017 12:31 PM
100%Cat wrote:expand_more
Basketball minds of BA, maybe it's just a coincidence (1 game sample size), I see looking at Central's results that the real clunker of an offensive game they had was vs. Eastern Michigan, who held them in the low 60's. Would a zone be any more effective against the Rayson/Keene combo? Is BG still predominantly playing zone D? They allowed I think 82 to Central in their loss to CMU. Obviously Keene and Rayson both struggled against Eastern, compared to their season averages. Maybe it was just a bad night for them, but would a zone be any more effective than man?
Not really. A zone is specifically designed to keep teams out of the middle of the floor and paint and force them to whip the ball on the perimeter to shoot outside. Designing plays to bust the zone are not that easy, because you're telling your guys to find areas of open space and when you want to set a screen a man may not be there.

But some teams like EMU and Syracuse have it down to a science where they take away both shooters and the middle of the floor. When it's all you play, you get pretty good at extending it because your players develop a better 360 range around them.

It also really depends on what kind of zone you play. A 2-3 maybe be more susceptible against wing and a little below foul line extended shots, and skip passes to the opposite side. A 1-3-1 zone (my favorite) allows your best athlete to roam out front and try to get steals and gives great opportunities for trapping, but it leaves you vulnerable in the deep corners for the guy who has to run back and forth on the baselines.
Last Edited: 2/10/2017 12:33:06 PM by GoCats105
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bshot44
2/10/2017 5:24 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
It isn't like you have to be world-beaters to win the MAC Tournament.

We're 6-5 and tied for 2nd in the conference. We're also the only team in the conference to beat the team way out in front at 1st place.

How many other teams in the MAC lose their best player and still have enough talent to beat Akron?

7 games is a lot of time for growth for a team that is very young.

Relax.
When this team proves it can win back-to-back games I'll relax. Until then...

And the real young excuse is wearing thin.

Yes...Culver & Carter are freshman...but we're 20 games into season and Culver's minutes are minimal now.

Simmons 4 yrs CBB experience
Kaminski 4 yrs
Dartis 2yrs
Block 2yrs
Taylor 2 yrs
Laster 3yrs

That's not that inexperienced in terms of CBB these days
Between your thoughts re: defense, and FearLeon's thoughts re: Doug Taylor, I'm pretty sure that somewhere, a poor horse has been beaten to death.
No more than the other side of things....AC injury, plenty of time left in season, team is young, etc.

We're all entitled to our opinions and beating of dead horses, ha!

That's what makes this message board...we all keep coming back for more...and all have the same hope....Ohio wins.
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MonroeClassmate
2/12/2017 1:58 AM
How does the team from Oxford hold Keene to 12 points and whup Central?
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UpSan Bobcat
2/12/2017 10:46 AM
MonroeClassmate wrote:expand_more
How does the team from Oxford hold Keene to 12 points and whup Central?
Sometimes that's just how basketball is. We caught him on a day he couldn't miss. He had an off game against Miami. I'm sure Miami had a good defensive plan but sometimes more than anything it's just that it was that kind of day.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
2/12/2017 12:29 PM
Of course the assface shoes up in Oxford and can't hit the side of a barn. Typical. Teams get up to play in Athens because we actually have fans. The team needs to rise to the occasion.
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RSBobcat
2/12/2017 10:15 PM
UpSan Bobcat wrote:expand_more
How does the team from Oxford hold Keene to 12 points and whup Central?
Sometimes that's just how basketball is. We caught him on a day he couldn't miss. He had an off game against Miami. I'm sure Miami had a good defensive plan but sometimes more than anything it's just that it was that kind of day.
I would like to hear from someone who either has shot in Millet or has info from players that have. I think that arena looks like a tough place to shoot - dark/dingy sides sightlines, goofy tight end one side of court and long extension the other, always seems the lighting in general there is kinda dingy.....
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Ted Thompson
2/13/2017 10:22 AM

RSBobcat wrote:expand_more
How does the team from Oxford hold Keene to 12 points and whup Central?


Sometimes that's just how basketball is. We caught him on a day he couldn't miss. He had an off game against Miami. I'm sure Miami had a good defensive plan but sometimes more than anything it's just that it was that kind of day.


I would like to hear from someone who either has shot in Millet or has info from players that have. I think that arena looks like a tough place to shoot - dark/dingy sides sightlines, goofy tight end one side of court and long extension the other, always seems the lighting in general there is kinda dingy.....

 

While I think the lighting has changed a bit the past few years, I used to say that you needed a miner's helmet to shoot on the hoops there because it was so dark. 

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OU_Country
2/13/2017 12:34 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
It isn't like you have to be world-beaters to win the MAC Tournament.

We're 6-5 and tied for 2nd in the conference. We're also the only team in the conference to beat the team way out in front at 1st place.

How many other teams in the MAC lose their best player and still have enough talent to beat Akron?

7 games is a lot of time for growth for a team that is very young.

Relax.
When this team proves it can win back-to-back games I'll relax. Until then...

And the real young excuse is wearing thin.

Yes...Culver & Carter are freshman...but we're 20 games into season and Culver's minutes are minimal now.

Simmons 4 yrs CBB experience
Kaminski 4 yrs
Dartis 2yrs
Block 2yrs
Taylor 2 yrs
Laster 3yrs

That's not that inexperienced in terms of CBB these days
Between your thoughts re: defense, and FearLeon's thoughts re: Doug Taylor, I'm pretty sure that somewhere, a poor horse has been beaten to death.
No more than the other side of things....AC injury, plenty of time left in season, team is young, etc.

We're all entitled to our opinions and beating of dead horses, ha!

That's what makes this message board...we all keep coming back for more...and all have the same hope....Ohio wins.
But there's a difference: that poor horse being beaten with more positivity than negativity might not be dead. ;-)
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