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mcbin
3/19/2017 9:38 PM
Dartis last year and maybe Ryan Taylor the year prior. Seems like we have a Freshman that comes in and does great almost every year. And it's usually not who we think it will be..

That said, we don't want to be this short-handed starting the season. Hopefully Saul has some guys in mind to help out.
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Recovering Journalist
3/19/2017 9:45 PM
I can't imagine the decision was based on playing time. It's just hard to imagine a similar program giving him as many minutes as he got this year, because they were largely based on untapped potential.

I think he'll get a lot better and have a nice career somewhere. Best wishes in future endeavors and all that... I just don't see this having a large effect on Ohio basketball next year. Nothing like the Ryan Taylor transfer to me.
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FearLeon
3/19/2017 9:55 PM
Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
I can't imagine the decision was based on playing time. It's just hard to imagine a similar program giving him as many minutes as he got this year, because they were largely based on untapped potential.

I think he'll get a lot better and have a nice career somewhere. Best wishes in future endeavors and all that... I just don't see this having a large effect on Ohio basketball next year. Nothing like the Ryan Taylor transfer to me.
I agree.....Culver barely played the last 12 games. Laster took all of his minutes. Culver had the worst shooting stroke in the MAC. I wish him well, but I just don't see how this has a devastating impact on the rotation.
Last Edited: 3/19/2017 11:24:24 PM by FearLeon
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ohio9704
3/19/2017 10:00 PM
FearLeon wrote:expand_more
I can't imagine the decision was based on playing time. It's just hard to imagine a similar program giving him as many minutes as he got this year, because they were largely based on untapped potential.

I think he'll get a lot better and have a nice career somewhere. Best wishes in future endeavors and all that... I just don't see this having a large effect on Ohio basketball next year. Nothing like the Ryan Taylor transfer to me.
I agree.....Culver barely played the last 12 games. Laster took all of his minutes. Culver had the worst shooting stroke in the MAC. I wish him well, but I just don't see how this having a devastating impact on the rotation.
Plus, his next destination will be his fourth in four years I believe. Maybe OHIO isn't the issue. I hope he finds a spot that makes him happy.
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crackerbaby00
3/19/2017 10:03 PM
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C'mon, Jeff.

Being objective, does Ohio have enough athletes on its roster to compete in the NCAA tourney, or even the NIT, next year? How do the top 7-9 players on our roster next year stack up against teams good enough to be invited to the dance? Personally, I see a big gap for next year and beyond.
I'm with Stevelnd on his one Jeff,you can't live in a world where "the sun will come out tomorrow." Other than Carter who benefited from an injury, when is the last time a freshman came to OU and made an immediate big time impact?'
Dartis started as a freshman just last year. Block played 18 minutes as a freshman. Ryan Taylor played 30 mpg the year before. Kellogg played as a freshman.
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Jeff McKinney
3/19/2017 10:31 PM
Alan...my post said I expect the freshmen to "contribute" next year, not have a "major impact"
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bornacatfan
3/19/2017 10:47 PM
crackerbaby00 wrote:expand_more
I'm with Stevelnd on his one Jeff,you can't live in a world where "the sun will come out tomorrow." Other than Carter who benefited from an injury, when is the last time a freshman came to OU and made an immediate big time impact?'
Dartis started as a freshman just last year. Block played 18 minutes as a freshman. Ryan Taylor played 30 mpg the year before. Kellogg played as a freshman.
.... with Cooper, Kellogg, StevieFresh and those you mentioned following there are more years than not in the last decade where Ken Pom has an Ohio Frosh with over 60% of mins played ....he says %MINS is better than Minutes per Game as % takes into account OTs.

BLock and Laster were at 46 and 43 % of minutes their Frosh years. Stevie Taylor and Tony were only 28 and 22 % comparatively. Trying to figure out if "immediate big time impact" and minutes are mutually independent. Coleman, Carter and Cooper were involved in 20 to24% of possessions.

Numbers are fun to look back now. Eye test is still king, but I would say that Frosh contributing are a norm here going back as far as Fears and Leon and continuing forward from Coop to Dart to Carter
Last Edited: 3/19/2017 10:54:02 PM by bornacatfan
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Roasting Joe
3/20/2017 12:05 AM
Maybe there is another Maurice N'dour out there just hoping for a chance to prove himself!
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allen
3/20/2017 12:11 AM
Roasting Joe wrote:expand_more
Maybe there is another Maurice N'dour out there just hoping for a chance to prove himself!
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OhioCatFan
3/20/2017 12:36 AM
I'm surprised at this news, as I thought Culver showed toward the end of the season that he could play well in some quality minutes situations. I was looking forward to his slowly getting more PT next and a developing into a strong off-the-bench player who would give the starters a rest and make solid contributions while on the court. This decision tells me that he may be less of a team player than I thought, and may not be satisfied with that role. It'll be interesting to see if he transfers down a division in order to get more PT in place where he can be a starter.
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crackerbaby00
3/20/2017 1:03 AM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
I'm with Stevelnd on his one Jeff,you can't live in a world where "the sun will come out tomorrow." Other than Carter who benefited from an injury, when is the last time a freshman came to OU and made an immediate big time impact?'
Dartis started as a freshman just last year. Block played 18 minutes as a freshman. Ryan Taylor played 30 mpg the year before. Kellogg played as a freshman.
.... with Cooper, Kellogg, StevieFresh and those you mentioned following there are more years than not in the last decade where Ken Pom has an Ohio Frosh with over 60% of mins played ....he says %MINS is better than Minutes per Game as % takes into account OTs.

BLock and Laster were at 46 and 43 % of minutes their Frosh years. Stevie Taylor and Tony were only 28 and 22 % comparatively. Trying to figure out if "immediate big time impact" and minutes are mutually independent. Coleman, Carter and Cooper were involved in 20 to24% of possessions.

Numbers are fun to look back now. Eye test is still king, but I would say that Frosh contributing are a norm here going back as far as Fears and Leon and continuing forward from Coop to Dart to Carter

Interesting numbers. Didnt Kinney and Keely play quite a bit as freshmen too? What numbers do you have on them?
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GraffZ06
3/20/2017 1:11 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
C'mon, Jeff.

Being objective, does Ohio have enough athletes on its roster to compete in the NCAA tourney, or even the NIT, next year? How do the top 7-9 players on our roster next year stack up against teams good enough to be invited to the dance? Personally, I see a big gap for next year and beyond. [/QUOTE]Short answer - no. Not even close.


Even without Campbell, we were about equal with the Uber athletic MAC teams...Buffalo, Kent, Akron.
Were we Jeff? Seems to me Hall and Kent absolutely killed us inside in the MAC tournament and Hamilton and Massinburg torched us on penetration and getting to the rim at home against Buffalo.

Think about this. With Campbell against those schools we were 2-0 (albeit only 3 minutes up at Buffalo). Without him we were combined 1-4 against those same "athletic MAC teams". That's....not good and certainly not "about equal".

I predict that we will add a couple of good guys this Spring and the incoming freshmen will contribute.
As long as Saul and staff get to work and find a couple gems - then I agree with you. We certainly need it.

We will be fine. We earned the #2 seed without Tony.
Well, we didn't so much "earn" the #2 seed as we backed into it via a 4-way tie-breaker in a year when the MAC had a bunch of parity but it was all very mediocre to bad.

With Tone we were 11-3. Without him we went 9-8. We were a .500 MAC team once he went down, literally.

[QUOTE=Jeff McKinney]
We will have more quality depth. Remember, Phillips built a program at NDSU that advanced in the NCAA.
North Dakota St surely can't be the gold standard can it? For one, there's a bunch more competition for athletes in Ohio/Kentucky/Indiana/Michigan than in North Dakota. Secondly, he only won ONE tournament game up there. While that's good - a lot of teams that aren't great programs with a great coach/talent-level/recruiting pedigree have managed to win a tourney game once. That doesn't show a sustained level of program success - and certainly not at a level we hope to see Ohio at in the future.

Going to have to do a heck of a lot more than that to impress me. Let's hope this recruiting class is the beginning of it for Saul here at OU.
Last Edited: 3/20/2017 1:13:00 AM by GraffZ06
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bornacatfan
3/20/2017 1:32 AM
Keely and Kinney played 40 and 30 % of the minutes available respectively
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Jeff McKinney
3/20/2017 1:42 AM
Zgraff...the allusion to ND State was not to set that up as the gold standard for Ohio...it was to argue that Phillips had a track record of two trips to the NCAA and two conference titles before coming here...in a league almost as good as the MAC...indicating he knows how to put together winning mid major teams. As for competition for recruits in North Dakota...there's so few Div I recruits in that state that he had to recruit all over the upper Midwest. One recruit didn't have any other Div I offers, yet ended up at the Ports mouth Invitational.
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GoCats105
3/20/2017 7:51 AM
Color me surprised with Rodney leaving. While this doesn't have as big of an impact as some might think, in my opinion this just puts more pressure on guys like Mike Laster and James Gollon to expand their games. Mike did a great job of that this season stepping up, but I'm interested to see what Gollon can provide given the limited time we saw him as a Freshman. And this obviously doesn't help us get more athletic or better defensively, which is specifically why Rodney was brought in. I hope he finds a place he can land and feel comfortable.

This inherently makes the Wadley situation even more interesting than it was before.
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Recovering Journalist
3/20/2017 9:23 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Color me surprised with Rodney leaving. While this doesn't have as big of an impact as some might think, in my opinion this just puts more pressure on guys like Mike Laster and James Gollon to expand their games. Mike did a great job of that this season stepping up, but I'm interested to see what Gollon can provide given the limited time we saw him as a Freshman. And this obviously doesn't help us get more athletic or better defensively, which is specifically why Rodney was brought in. I hope he finds a place he can land and feel comfortable.

This inherently makes the Wadley situation even more interesting than it was before.
I don't see any more pressure on Laster at all. It just means more minutes for him, which most of us will likely agree is a good thing give how well he developed his game in the last year.

I don't see how it affects Gollon. Even if Simmons stays (as expected?), the glaring weakness of next year's team is backup point guard. Gollon is said to work really hard in practice and have a great attitude, so I hope his game has improved dramatically. He looked lost as a true freshman, but that will have been two years ago by the time the 2017-2018 season tips off.
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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
3/20/2017 9:24 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
I'm surprised at this news, as I thought Culver showed toward the end of the season that he could play well in some quality minutes situations. I was looking forward to his slowly getting more PT next and a developing into a strong off-the-bench player who would give the starters a rest and make solid contributions while on the court. This decision tells me that he may be less of a team player than I thought, and may not be satisfied with that role. It'll be interesting to see if he transfers down a division in order to get more PT in place where he can be a starter.
I think the problem is that where would the PT next year come from? We don't lose any back court players and we add back Gollon from a redshirt. I think Culver can absolutely find playing time at a D1 school, and he would have contributed here eventually as well, maybe just not as soon as he would have hoped.
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OUVan
3/20/2017 9:33 AM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
Were we Jeff? Seems to me Hall and Kent absolutely killed us inside in the MAC tournament and Hamilton and Massinburg torched us on penetration and getting to the rim at home against Buffalo.

Think about this. With Campbell against those schools we were 2-0 (albeit only 3 minutes up at Buffalo). Without him we were combined 1-4 against those same "athletic MAC teams". That's....not good and certainly not "about equal".
I'm sorry but that is absurd. Every single one of those games (save the two Akron games) were one possession games at the end. And in the first Buffalo victory Carter played more minutes than Campbell. No we didn't win many of those games but all of them were toss-ups and to infer that we didn't compete at an even level is silly. And every single good team in the MAC loses very important pieces. I like Kenny but our losses (not including Tony since we played most of the season without him anyway) are significantly less than Buffalo (Hamilton, Conner, Kadiri), Akron (Johnson, Cheatham) and Kent (Hall, Edwin). Will we win the MAC next year? I don't know but I know we'll compete.
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Ohio69
3/20/2017 9:37 AM
This is a bummer. I assumed Culver and Laster would take Kaminsky's minutes and we'd have two potential aggressive/attacking wings.

Also hate to see a Pickerington kid leave. Can't be a "need to move closer to home" situation.

Oh well. I kind of sort of wish him the best in his future endeavors.
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GoCats105
3/20/2017 9:41 AM
Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
Color me surprised with Rodney leaving. While this doesn't have as big of an impact as some might think, in my opinion this just puts more pressure on guys like Mike Laster and James Gollon to expand their games. Mike did a great job of that this season stepping up, but I'm interested to see what Gollon can provide given the limited time we saw him as a Freshman. And this obviously doesn't help us get more athletic or better defensively, which is specifically why Rodney was brought in. I hope he finds a place he can land and feel comfortable.

This inherently makes the Wadley situation even more interesting than it was before.
I don't see any more pressure on Laster at all. It just means more minutes for him, which most of us will likely agree is a good thing give how well he developed his game in the last year.

I don't see how it affects Gollon. Even if Simmons stays (as expected?), the glaring weakness of next year's team is backup point guard. Gollon is said to work really hard in practice and have a great attitude, so I hope his game has improved dramatically. He looked lost as a true freshman, but that will have been two years ago by the time the 2017-2018 season tips off.
It affects Gollon because any minutes that could have been used to spell Jordy, Jaaron or Gavin are going to go to Mike, Gollon and Zach Butler now, instead of having Rodney in there also. I don't think Gollon is only a PG and will only come in with Jaaron out. Saul stated in his post game from Kent that it's possible Jordy played too many minutes this year. Gollon can back him up too. Those are minutes Rodney could have taken. The guards on this team are pretty interchangable. Plus with the lack of bigs, Ohio might have to go small next year.
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Bobcat1998
3/20/2017 10:24 AM
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Hope he finds a place that makes him happy. You cant teach his athletic ability, but hope he finds someone to fix that shot of his.
He was someone I didn't see making that jump next year either. I thought he needed two full years. He didn't end up being the defensive difference maker I thought he would be and other than some highlight plays he was considerably out of control. I think he thought he should play more. You could see it in his body language. Unless he fixes his jumper and gets more under control he will not make an impact. I think Gollon is going to take a huge step next year when healthy. It will be year 3 for him in the program and he already looked stronger at year's end physically.

With Khari and Culver gone, that opens up 2 new spots. If Wadley stays that is one spot taken (I wish him well as well if he leaves). If we get two new guys I think we go after a Juco or grad transfer and another freshman, although we don't want to just give up a scholly just because we have it.
Last Edited: 3/20/2017 10:28:09 AM by Bobcat1998
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SBH
3/20/2017 11:07 AM
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This decision tells me that he may be less of a team player than I thought...

Don't know how anyone can draw a conclusion such as this based on Mr. Culver's decision. Maybe he didn't feel comfortable in Athens? Doesn't like the school? Got his heart broken by a young lady? These are still kids in many respects. I wish him well wherever he goes...as long as it's not Akron or Miami.
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Recovering Journalist
3/20/2017 11:10 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
This decision tells me that he may be less of a team player than I thought...

Don't know how anyone can draw a conclusion such as this based on Mr. Culver's decision. Maybe he didn't feel comfortable in Athens? Doesn't like the school? Got his heart broken by a young lady? These are still kids in many respects. I wish him well wherever he goes...as long as it's not Akron or Miami.
Agreed. That seems like an unfair and harsh thing to say without knowing anything beyond the fact that he's moving on. No reason to wish him anything but good luck moving forward.
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allen
3/20/2017 11:47 AM
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
No offense but he was a shooting guard?
Yes, that's exactly what he was.
Let's not go to a low place to show our loyalty. Culver averaged 20 points and shot 40% from 3 in high school. He did not fit here for some reason, he could have sat here on scholarship and held a spot, but he assessed the situation and decided to leave. We have to find a way to be able to work athletes into our line up, hugging the three point line will not get us anywhwere. A lot of us slammed Ryan Taylor on his way out, but we would have been better off had he stayed. We lauded the coaches when they did the Deandre jordan for Wadley. Let's pray that the NCAA gives us a favorable answer on Tone, or tells declines out petition quickly so that we can recruit another player if need be. Let's stop being crazy and having a mob mentality when it comes to a kid leaving. Culver does not have the worst form in the world and he was efficient enough to get a scholarship here and we celebrated his arrival, he did not fit here, let's wish him well and wish our team well going forward.
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Bobcat1998
3/20/2017 1:00 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Color me surprised with Rodney leaving. While this doesn't have as big of an impact as some might think, in my opinion this just puts more pressure on guys like Mike Laster and James Gollon to expand their games. Mike did a great job of that this season stepping up, but I'm interested to see what Gollon can provide given the limited time we saw him as a Freshman. And this obviously doesn't help us get more athletic or better defensively, which is specifically why Rodney was brought in. I hope he finds a place he can land and feel comfortable.

This inherently makes the Wadley situation even more interesting than it was before.
I wouldn't be worried about pressure on Laster. We will enter the year with a starting lineup of Block, Jaaron, Dartis, Carter and probably 1 of Doug or a freshman (Vander Plas or Gareri). Laster can play starter's minutes and I think Gollon will be much improved without injuries and being in year 3 at the school.
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