I would say, "yes." Whatever the game plan is, it is not working.

I'm having flashbacks to 1997-98 with this group.

6 years removed from the Sweet 16 and it will take multiple years to recover. The team is lost, the system is stale and the player effort and development is a joke. I assume this has to be the worst home MAC loss in the history of the program. This is an accountability issue. Accountability starts at the top. The "Buddy Leadership" this regime has employed is old. The radio interviews are not funny, the answers are empty, and I don't believe this staff has the tools and/or vision to right this. 14 months.....

We lost our first Mac game on the road by 25 and then we lose this game by 34. I don’t have a lot of hope in #Saulball. If this season goes how it has so far I wouldn’t be surprised if he is gone after this year.

Did Saul ever really have this program? We all like to say "Saul Ball" but what exactly is "Saul Ball?" I think he's a nice guy. I think he is a good person. I think he probably knows his stuff. But what is his vision? In year 1 we gave him a pass and said that it was a bunch of bad apples. In year 2 we get to see Tone come into his own and a great leader in Treg combining with Kaminski (once again, a great guy but how does he fit into Saul Ball?). And of course Jaaron has an amazing first year.

Year 3 we get Jaaron dribbling for 25 seconds and no player development. Dartis, Taylor and Block have been in the program playing major minutes for THREE YEARS. Gollon is in year 3 and so is Dozier. No improvement from any of those guys. We get Mickle in and he seemingly does not fit our program at all. Once again...nice guy, nice athleticism but how does he FIT? I would wonder if we should have found a diamond in the rough freshman rather than him. And look at next year's class. So McMurray seems like a "find." Murrell can't even get court time on a JUCO. Springs scores 20 one game and three the next. If you look at who we were interested in and lost out on that is also telling. I am not excited about next year's trio and don't know if Vander Plas will ever play.

I fell for the smile. I fell for the "aw shucks" stuff and I fell for the Wisconsin accent. I fell for the "I am going to stay here until my daughter graduates high school" stuff. But in year 4, injuries or no injuries, transfers or no transfers, we are not getting better while programs like Ball State, Buffalo and Toledo are getting much better.

It feels bad to endorse this view, but I do. He's an enormously good person with what by all accounts seems to be a great family, but we are not paying a top-tier salary for these results. I also don't see a lot of hope on the horizon this year or next.

What all of you are forgetting is if Tony doesn't get hurt last year we likely win the MAC and possibly win a game or two in the NCAA tourney. Then Simons leaves and we lose Carter. Look in the mirror before you throw stones at Saul.

To change the mood up here, can anyone tell me where I can get some OHIO shorts like Doug was wearing tonight? Those were sweet!

If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle as well.

Saul Ball apparently is living and dying by 3s. We shoot nearly as many 3s as 2s. When it works we're at least in games (26 of 57 vs NIU, BSU & Kent). When it doesn't we have nights like tonight (6 of 35 vs CMU & Toledo). When it doesn't the defense has to ramp up. But we seem more focused on simply outscoring the other guy instead of stopping him from scoring. We're not good enough defensively to have it carry us when we sputter on offense.

If you really think Jason Carter was only going to average 9.9 PPG this season, well than that's your opinion. And yes, one player isn't going to solve everything, but having him would make a helluva difference.

I've been a defender of Saul and this team from Day 1 simply because the adversity and attrition they've dealt with in the last 12 months is something like I've never seen. They've basically lost their three best players in 12 months when you think about it (Tone, Jaaron and Jason).

But...you simply cannot continue to get beat like you stole something. Seriously? Toledo is nowhere near as good as they have been recently and they just tuned us up for 30+ on our home floor. That shouldn't ever happen.

I don't know what the answer is. I'm just frustrated watching this team, because it's a completely different team than the one we saw earlier in the year. The team just looks like they've used all the juice they had. Like they found out Jason wasn't coming back for good and are just deflated.

The bigger problem though is I don't see any ways of trying to mix things up. Sure, the rotations have been different...some guys are getting more playing time than they were before, but it just looks and feels like they are going through the motions out there. The offense doesn't make the opposing defense work for any stops. And that in turn makes our defense awful because they spend more time on that end of the floor back peddling.

For those of you who attended the game, what was the actual attendance? From the photo in The Post, I could not see many fans.