Probably a discussion better left on the recruiting page, but I think you can tell the staff recruits to a type more than a need. Smart, high basketball IQ, can shoot from outside, can pass well, etc. Those are just a few of the things I've seen in just about every recruit. How athletic they are is a different story.

As far as numbers of guys they're looking at? Your guess is as good as mine. You really have to dig to find some of them. A few of the guys on the team now we barely knew anything about until he signed. I think the staff plays things closer to the vest than the previous regimes it seems. Also, not having Aaron Fuss recruiting the Central Ohio area anymore might be having an impact.

"If he's such a good hitter, why doesn't he hit good?"

I think he got his pocket picked just like O'Shea picked Boeh's pocket.

Non-continuous years do not make a decade. To the casual reader his post even though he lists coaches by name implies the 10 years before Frank.

This is just my opinion on the kind of players they are recruiting. I don't have any inside info, but you could certainly make those arguments couldn't you? And Shab's quote below your post is pretty spot on...

My answer is that it's Revisionist history for some. They remember one game, beating Georgetown in 2010, and forget that they started 0-4 in the league, and all of the frustrations and inconsistencies from that season leading up to February before they got hot.

Folks remember 2011-2012 for the great tournament runs, and forget bad losses to Robert Morris, and particularly at BG, and at EMU that cost the chance to win the conference regular season. And since that season, I contend several folks, both here and in the fanbase in general became spoiled and expected years like 2011-12, and 2012-13 to be the norm. I was disappointed when John Groce left because I hoped another couple years with him and this program could be the dominant force in the MAC, and the coach, to a certain degree wouldn't have mattered as much because they'd established themselves so well. I had such expectations for a year or two, and I'll even admit that a few years later, in Saul's first season, I acted a fool at a game because we lost badly.

Since then, I've reflected on what the expectations really should be, for me personally, in my "relationship", if you will, with Ohio Basketball. That's an individual thing for everyone I think. For me, my joy of watching and supporting the program isn't heavily affected by wins and losses and NCAA Tournament appearances. This is my Alma Mater, and these games and this team are getting my support regardless of results until such time that they do something to change that. That hasn't happened yet, because, as noted by 100% Cat, and GoCats105, the circumstances haven't exactly been ideal in losing Tony, then Jaaron, then Carter over the last year. If all three of those guys are on the court and healthy, and the bad games occur, then I would share in the angst.

You pay top money, you should get top results. My expectations are to be among the top teams in the MAC every year, to win games in Cleveland every year, and to make the tournament every five years. Winning tournament games is gravy. If you think that's unrealistic, then we're operating from different levels.

My bad. That's what happens after spending 110 minutes watching the team you've supported for 39 years not get back on D, not block out, and make a ton of very bad passes the night before. Now I have OCF, squared and you monitoring my typing. Tough world. :)

Thank you Ted. That's exactly what I meant.

I thought of that 2009-10 team as well -- we came into the season losing the MAC POTY Jerome Tillman, a very good senior PG in Michael Allen and a solid wing in Justin Orr. Three players left the program pre-season/before conference play -- Marquis Horne, Jay Kinney and Steven Coleman. Transfer Armon Bassett missed the first four games waiting for the quarter to end after his transfer in and it took many games to adjust to having him in the rotation. We gutted out an OT win @Toledo (a very bad team) with 6 schollie players and two walk-ons for more than half the game. That was followed by a double digit loss at Eastern Michigan that left us 3-6 in league play. Ohio was competititive the rest of the MAC season, but went 4-3 to finish 7-9 before the epic tournament run.

The 2011-12 team got off to a quick start before losing by 3 to a very good Robert Morris -- 26 wins and made the NEC final -- and that conference opener at BG (a .500 team overall that finished 9-7 in the league). There was another swing where we lost at West @2 Toledo (7-9) and West #1 EMU (9-7). That season didn't, however, feature as many player transitions.

Here's to the 2017-18 Bobcats having the kind of resiliency and toughness that those teams showed down the stretch.

I was at that BG game - the first conference game in the Stroh Center. Our guys laid an egg that day in my opinion. I'll give you that Bobby Mo was really good that year, but that Bobcat team was so good that any home loss was a bad one in my opinion.

All that aside, I'm 100% with you on your last sentence. We've already seen some serious resiliency in Charleston. I hope they find it again, and I think they will.

It is only one MAC game. The league season just started and as John Groce knew, the time to play well is in March. Hopefully the Cats will be healthy in two months when the "real season" begins.

These are both really good points. Stop making sense. I'd like to complain more about the recently awful play.